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Five critiques of Intelligent Design
Edge.org ^ | September 3, 2005 | Marcelo Gleiser, Jerry Coyne, Richard Dawkins, Scott Atran, Daniel C. Dennett

Posted on 09/08/2005 1:33:48 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored

Five critiques of Intelligent Design

John Brockman's Edge.org site has published the following five critiques of Intelligent Design (the bracketed comments following each link are mine):

Marcelo Gleiser, "Who Designed the Designer?"  [a brief op-ed piece]

Jerry Coyne, "The Case Against Intelligent Design: The Faith That Dare Not Speak Its Name"  [a detailed critique of ID and its history, together with a summary defense of Darwinism]

Richard Dawkins & Jerry Coyne, "One Side Can Be Wrong"  [why 'teaching both sides' is not reasonable when there's really only one side]

Scott Atran, "Unintelligent Design"  [intentional causes were banished from science with good reason]

Daniel C. Dennett, "Show Me the Science"  [ID is a hoax]

As Marcelo Gleiser suggests in his op-ed piece, the minds of ID extremists will be changed neither by evidence nor by argument, but IDists (as he calls them) aren't the target audience for critiques such as his. Rather, the target audience is the millions of ordinary citizens who may not know enough about empirical science (and evolution science in particular) to understand that IDists are peddling, not science, but rather something tarted up to look like it.

Let us not be deceived.


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KEYWORDS: biology; creationism; crevolist; darwin; darwinism; education; evolution; intelligentdesign; science; superstition; teaching
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To: dynoman

Where were you programmed?

This has been interpreted as a selection of 1.

In the backwaters of Chicago, Illinois.

If you have any other questions please press 1. If you'd like to hear about our other products, please press 2. If you'd like to repeat your question and get a different preprogrammed responder, please press 3.

281 posted on 09/08/2005 7:11:57 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: shuckmaster
Excellent articles. It's a shame the pinheads don't/won't read them.

It's the burden we labor under.

282 posted on 09/08/2005 7:15:07 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: VadeRetro

through what concatenation of cataclysmic catarrh do you condense such a concretion of contumely?


283 posted on 09/08/2005 7:16:47 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: dynoman

" Besides you already know how I would answer."


Hey, whatever you say man, you win. :)


284 posted on 09/08/2005 7:18:26 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: PatrickHenry

I see. I await further instructions on behalf of the Conspiracy. The Voices are quiet tonight!


285 posted on 09/08/2005 7:19:33 PM PDT by Vive ut Vivas
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To: King Prout
I cannot cordially corroborate, that's all.
286 posted on 09/08/2005 7:19:34 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: drlevy88

Yawn, all this is saying is that science-as-we-know-it can't grok the concept.

Hello, drlevy88. The last time we chatted you warned me I was heading into an abyss. Thanks again for the warning.

What does this 'grok' term mean? I know I've seen it before. I don't think it was in an officially sanction text.

287 posted on 09/08/2005 7:20:25 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: ml1954
What does this 'grok' term mean?

"Know" or "understand." R.A. Heinlein, Stranger in a Strange Land.

288 posted on 09/08/2005 7:23:12 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro

ah. I have confidence in your canny competence to craftily concoct a condign curative conducive to correcting your current condition.

that's it, I can't do it anymore!


289 posted on 09/08/2005 7:23:32 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: King Prout
Crap!
290 posted on 09/08/2005 7:24:36 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: King Prout
ah. I have confidence in your canny competence to craftily concoct a condign curative conducive to correcting your current condition.

that's it, I can't do it anymore!

Como?

291 posted on 09/08/2005 7:25:14 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Is this a good tagline?)
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To: King Prout
dynoman,

with what assessment do you disagree?

that matter and energy display stable and reliable natural characteristics?

that the interaction of matter and energy **can be**, **at least under some common conditions**, statistically predictable?

that the relations of large aggregations of matter and energy **can produce** patterned cyclic behavior?

what?

Actually none now, since it's worded a bit different than this;

why is it so very difficult for many to recognize that natural processes and material properties are NOT random and by their natures impose patterning and order

seriously: what, besides naked incredulity, do you bring to the table?

What's wrong with naked incredulity? Would you deny it has been in the mix of many great leaps forward even that of the evolution of the TOE itself?

The Origin-of-Life Prize ®

Go for it.

292 posted on 09/08/2005 7:25:51 PM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: Coyoteman
Como?

Ahh! Perry! And Dinah! TV was TV then. How I loved them!

293 posted on 09/08/2005 7:26:39 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro

continue conceiving convoluted correspondence, conclude at your own contentment :)


294 posted on 09/08/2005 7:27:02 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: VadeRetro

"Know" or "understand." R.A. Heinlein, Stranger in a Strange Land.

You ruined my setup.

295 posted on 09/08/2005 7:27:45 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: ml1954
Sorry! Thought it was a trivia quiz.

Anyway, a grok is best used for stir-fry, the cooking that doesn't cook.

296 posted on 09/08/2005 7:29:18 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: dynoman

allow me to make it more fun for you:

1. the interaction of matter and energy under many, perhaps most, conditions IS statistically predictable

2. The relations of large aggregations of matter and energy DOES PRODUCE patterned cyclic behavior.


297 posted on 09/08/2005 7:29:42 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: VadeRetro; ml1954

i thought "grok" was booze favored by British sailors?


298 posted on 09/08/2005 7:31:44 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: VadeRetro
Anyway, a grok is best used for stir-fry, the cooking that doesn't cook.

Wrong! You're thinking of a crock!

299 posted on 09/08/2005 7:32:38 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Is this a good tagline?)
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To: VadeRetro

Sorry! Thought it was a trivia quiz.

That's okay. I didn't expect a response anyway. I've been assigned to the 'those who have been warned' already category.

300 posted on 09/08/2005 7:34:23 PM PDT by ml1954
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