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Katrina Live Threads, Part XV
Various ^ | 4 September 2005 | Various

Posted on 09/04/2005 6:14:35 PM PDT by NautiNurse

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To: Crawdad

I'm not military, just a military brat/civvie. :)


1,601 posted on 09/05/2005 12:33:44 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Howlin

Yup...yup....and yup.

Fascinating to watch, even more so when you know what mathematically must happen in the end.


1,602 posted on 09/05/2005 12:34:21 PM PDT by jeffers
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To: Txsleuth; All

"too slow," I keep hearing that phrase and it just is really starting to bug me real bad. Every personal disaster plan I've ever read state one should be prepared for a minimum of 3 days on your own, before any outside help arrives. With the 24/7 news coverage it seems like this had gone on much longer than that, but really the Hurrican hit Monday, crews couldn't get out yet Monday evening to begin assessing damage appropriately...so T,W,Th right? And things started to really move and happen Thursday into Friday. Even if one considers the levee breaks in NO could delay efforts by 24 hours.


1,603 posted on 09/05/2005 12:34:52 PM PDT by EBH (Never give-up, Never give-in, and Never Forget)
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To: All

I might be crazy to ask, but shouldn't they have had people returning to there home go in in spurts...like so many a day Has anyone seen that traffic? It's bumper to bumper again.


1,604 posted on 09/05/2005 12:35:08 PM PDT by GOP_Proud (Those who preach tolerance most, have the least for my views.)
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To: jeffers; Howlin

Did anyone see General Honore hammer the media?


1,605 posted on 09/05/2005 12:35:09 PM PDT by Dog
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To: Cboldt
Honore can get a better venue than O'Reilly's tabloid program.

Yes, Honore is a person of action. BOR is a bloviator.

1,606 posted on 09/05/2005 12:35:26 PM PDT by Tarheel ( Murphy's law #21--Internet flame wars are started by two cats who did not like their supper.)
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To: OKIEDOC

What hit the Mobil bridge was a drilling rig under construction in Mobil. It broke loose from its moorings and hit the bridge.


1,607 posted on 09/05/2005 12:36:17 PM PDT by CedarDave (MLKing, Jr: "I have a dream!", Howard Dean: "I have a scream!", Jesse Jackson: "I have a scheme!")
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To: OKIEDOC
Reporters, especially some of the more pampered ones say some dumb things.

I said the other day they act like they are stupid and have absolutely NO historical perspective on anything.

There is no depth to them; and no "big picture" attitude..........after all, they are the Instant Gratification Generation.

1,608 posted on 09/05/2005 12:36:17 PM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: Howlin

I posted on another thread...that I bet that if there is a "Katrina Commission", that somehow ole Witt will make it on it...which would then make it as bogus as the 9/11 Commission!


1,609 posted on 09/05/2005 12:36:25 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: Dog

read upthread, we were all over it, Honore was great.


1,610 posted on 09/05/2005 12:36:29 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Dog

That's all we're talking about


1,611 posted on 09/05/2005 12:36:38 PM PDT by RDTF
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To: Dog

Oh, I think a few of us may have caught Honore's grand slam. We're gushing now. :-D


1,612 posted on 09/05/2005 12:36:42 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Barbour/Honore in '08)
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To: LA Woman3

http://www.2theadvocate.com


Homeland Security in Louisiana
"It's a daunting task"

Tracking and coordination of funds difficult

Advocate, The (Baton Rouge, LA)
May 30, 2004
Author: JOHN McMILLAN
Estimated printed pages: 5

A river of federal counterterrorism funds - about $220 million or more - has flowed into Louisiana agencies during the past two years, much of the money from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.



Additional budget increases boosted the funds available to combat terrorism for a number of federal offices within the state, and counterterrorism has become a priority of the FBI.


But tracking the millions of federal dollars in counterterrorism funds that are being spent in Louisiana - and the disbursement of those funds - is difficult.


"It's a daunting task," Joanne Moreau, director of the East Baton Rouge Office of Homeland Security and Office of Emergency Preparedness, recently told the Louisiana Senate Select Committee on Homeland Security.


She asked the committee for help.


"We need a one-stop shop where we are not parochial. To do this will take state involvement," Moreau told the committee.


"A committee needs to know from the federal government what money is coming into Louisiana. We need to maximize the money. We don't need to be parochial," she said, indicating some agencies are "guarding the funding program and that is not good for our security."


Senators on the committee were astounded there is no central source to track counterterrorism funds.


"I see money coming to Louisiana, but who controls it?" asked committee Chairman Sen. Robert Barham, R- Oak Ridge.


"There's no agency that oversees this?" asked Sen. Gerry Theunissen, R-Jennings. "We're lost if we aren't able to communicate. Something needs to be done."


Moreau, whose Baton Rouge office was visited by representatives from New York who wanted to use it as a model, told the committee, "We need to look at what we are buying (with Homeland Security funds).


"If someone else has it, I don't need to buy it. We need your help. We need a center where small communities can go for help," Moreau said.


"Someone needs to be a clearing house for all these funds," Barham said, "to track money coming into the state so we don't duplicate efforts."


A survey of various agencies indicates the agency receiving the single largest amount of federal counterterrorism funds is, naturally enough, the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Office of Emergency Preparedness, which is one office with two branches.


In the past two years, the Department of Homeland Security has allocated $89 million to that office, said Col. Jay Mayeaux, the state's director of homeland security. Another $51 million was approved for 2004, Mayeaux said.


The objectives of the homeland security office, run by the National Guard, are to prevent terrorist attacks within Louisiana, reduce Louisiana's vulnerability to terrorism and to minimize the damage and recover from attacks that might occur, according to its strategic planning statements.


And 80 percent of all homeland security funding for Louisiana is distributed among the 64 parishes in the state, with the amount based on a formula involving population, vulnerability and other factors, Mayeaux said.


Currently, some Louisiana agencies receive federal anti-terrorism funds.


In 2003, $19.9 million was allocated to port security in Louisiana. In addition, the Port of New Orleans received a supplemental grant of $10.9 million.


The Port of Greater Baton Rouge, the ninth-largest in the nation, has received $1.65 million from DHS to beef up its defenses. Additional funds have been applied for, and the port has spent $1 million in its own money to make the port less vulnerable to terrorist attacks, said Roger Richard, executive director of the port.


LSU is another big player in counterterrorism efforts.


The university is home to the National Center for Security Research and Training, which receives about $60 million annually from the federal government. The bulk of that money comes from DHS, the U.S. Justice Department, the U.S. State Department, the National Science Foundation and the U.S. Department of Public Health.


The State Police Emergency Operations Center is funded in part by an $8.3 million grant from the U.S. Department of Defense. The center is adjacent to the Louisiana Homeland Security Center but operates independently from it with "mutual support."


The state Department of Health and Hospitals has received more than $24 million from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention through U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to enhance public health bioterrorism preparedness and response efforts.


Another asset is the National Guard's 62nd Civil Support Team based at Carville. The Department of Defense provides about $1 million annually in operational funds for the team, which now has between $5 million and $6 million worth of equipment designed to combat terrorism.


Fire departments have not been left out of the funding sweepstakes. The U.S. Fire Administration, an agency now within DHS, has provided about 150 fire departments in Louisiana with more than $21 million since Sept. 11, 2001. The funds primarily were used to upgrade equipment.


Largely through the efforts of U.S. Rep. Richard Baker, R-Baton Rouge, the Southern Anti-terrorism Regional Training Academy has received $6.5 million in federal funds. Also known as SARTA, the academy was created as a joint effort of the Ascension Parish Sheriff's Office and the Louisiana National Guard after Sept. 11, 2001. Since May 2003, more than 1,000 law enforcement officers have trained with SARTA, which is situated at the Guard's Carville headquarters and the sheriff's training facility in Gonzales.


The majority of those trained at SARTA are Louisiana law-enforcement officers. Other trainees have come from seven states and also multiple federal agencies. Members of the U.S. Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force also have trained at SARTA, officials said.


While the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security apparently is well-regarded by DHS, not everyone thinks that office should be the lead state homeland security agency.


The National Sheriffs' Association is of the opinion that law enforcement should be in charge of homeland security rather than the agencies that have that assignment. In Louisiana, that agency is the Office of Homeland Security, which also oversees the Office of Emergency Preparedness and the Federal Emergency Management Agency program.


"The emphasis through FEMA and OEP is not the best place for homeland security and not the best place for homeland security money to be prioritized," said Lafourche Parish Sheriff Craig Webre, a vice president of the National Sheriffs' Association.


"In a disaster, you have the response period. Response historically is the job of law enforcement and emergency medical services. The other side of a disaster is recovery. Recovery is the function of FEMA and OEP," Webre said. "


Our position is that FEMA is not the best place for response, but for recovery," Webre said.


"I'm not criticizing Homeland Security, but it would have been more appropriately the law-enforcement community rather than the recovery community (to be the lead agency)," Webre said.


Both FEMA and OEP are agencies under the National Guard in Louisiana.


"We have a man of integrity at the helm in Gen. Bennett Landreneau (Louisiana National Guard commander), but I still believe the structure of homeland security, the priority and funding, should have gone to law enforcement in prevention and response instead of FEMA, which is more recovery oriented," said Webre.


"I don't think we defined specific goals and tasks and initiatives that are going to contribute to homeland security in a meaningful way.


"There could be a change within several years. There may be some event that says this structure is not a successful structure. The National Sheriffs' Association would be there to offer its input into a different structure," Webre said.


"If they are going to boost spending in homeland security, then other spending is going to be reduced. We have to make sure we don't cripple agencies that function well. Grant writers and others who are astute will catch on (to how to achieve funding). We could be buying duct tape by the truckload.


"We have all this money and nobody knows who's going to get it, and how it is going to be spent. In the next couple of years, I think we're going to see the structure redefined," Webre said.


St. James Parish Sheriff Willy Martin, the president of the Louisiana Sheriffs' Association, and Ascension Parish Sheriff Jeff Wiley agreed with Webre.


"In some states, sheriffs don't have full jurisdiction like we do," Martin said, which may have accounted for the structural design of homeland security. Martin also was concerned with the loss of funding to sheriffs which could hurt programs such as drug enforcement by local sheriffs.


In Pennsylvania, where Tom Ridge, secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, was governor, sheriffs serve as tax collectors and jailers, Wiley said. That may have had some influence on the structure of homeland security, Wiley said.


"There was some sense behind it," Wiley said, "but sometimes the sheriffs and OEP are not on the same page. When the plan was first laid out, sheriffs weren't mentioned. We had to figure out our roles.


"In Louisiana, with sheriffs being the chief law enforcement officer in a parish - except in New Orleans - they (the National Guard) realized sheriffs had something to offer. They had a relationship with OEP because of hurricanes and natural disasters," Wiley said.


Wiley, as Webre, thinks sheriffs will have a larger role in administering counterterrorism funds.


"Ultimately, I think there will be a structural change in homeland security," Wiley said


1,613 posted on 09/05/2005 12:36:55 PM PDT by Ellesu (www.thedeadpelican.com)
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To: easonc52
In other words, contraflow was never implemented properly or effectively.
I understand what contraflow is, but I never saw it on the TV. All traffic was on one side of the road, and basically a parking lot.

Never actually saw the 'contraflow' in effect.




Contraflow was implemented for I-10 and the causeway bridge for 24 hours only.
Sadly, New Orleans officials had a dress rehearsal for Katrina when they evacuated for Hurricane Ivan the year before.
Here is a story about the problems with the Ivan contraflow.
http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWL092004evacuation.13796c08e.html
1,614 posted on 09/05/2005 12:37:28 PM PDT by LA Woman3 (On election day, they were driven to the polls...On evacuation day, they had to fend for themselves)
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To: OKIEDOC

Actually, it was a drilling rig. A semi-submersible. The crane was bent all to hell. I just passed by it a few hours ago along hwy 98 in Mobile before crossing the Cochrane-Africatown Bridge.

OH!! Seeing the USS Alabamb listing to one side (only slightly) was really something..


1,615 posted on 09/05/2005 12:37:46 PM PDT by abb (Because News Reporting is too important to be left to the Journalists.)
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To: Howlin

they are children. journalism must be a regressive major in college - instead of maturing, the students revert towards adolsecence.


1,616 posted on 09/05/2005 12:37:47 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: jeffers

You said it.


1,617 posted on 09/05/2005 12:38:04 PM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)
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To: EBH
Every personal disaster plan I've ever read state one should be prepared for a minimum of 3 days on your own,

I totally agree with you. The relief effort on the part of the Feds was as timely as it was possible to be.

1,618 posted on 09/05/2005 12:38:06 PM PDT by Bahbah (Tim Russert is a poopy-head)
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To: oceanview

Gingrich on with Hannity now.


1,619 posted on 09/05/2005 12:38:08 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Peach; All

Katrina: General Honore Calls Out Some “BS” To Reports (VIDEO)

Telling it like it is ..

1,620 posted on 09/05/2005 12:38:34 PM PDT by TexKat
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