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To: joinedafterattack
WHY DIDN'T YOU DEPLOY THE BUSES, MAYOR?...

Um, maybe because they were under THREE FREAKIN' FEET OF WATER? All of the buses in that pic have their engines underwater. They aren't going anywhere anytime soon. To say that they should have been moved to high ground before the storm is hindsight B.S.

76 posted on 09/02/2005 12:46:28 PM PDT by Luddite Patent Counsel (Theyre digging through all of your files, stealing back your best ideas.)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel

Uh - why is this not part of the general evacuation procedure? They had at least 24 hours to run those buses nonstop getting the indigent and infirm out of N.O.

The only suprise with this hurricane was that it skirted NORTH right before slamming New Orleans.


88 posted on 09/02/2005 12:49:35 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel

We're talking about before the storm, LPC...not afterwards.


89 posted on 09/02/2005 12:49:36 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel

You aren't very bright...are you?


96 posted on 09/02/2005 12:50:29 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
Um, maybe because they were under THREE FREAKIN' FEET OF WATER?

That's the point. There was plenty of time to get those buses into service and evacuate people beforehand. This picture will go down in history as the illustration that illustrates the absurdity of Mayor Nagin's alleged "leadership".

140 posted on 09/02/2005 1:01:04 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is a form of insanity)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
To say that they should have been moved to high ground before the storm is hindsight B.S.

Um, let's see. NOLA is under sea level to begin with, there's a Cat5 storm bearing straight on for NOLA, a mandatory evac is ordered, and the buses are left parked in a lot that flooded. Maybe some FORESIGHT on the part of the Mayor and Governor could have utilitized these better. Yes, hindsight is 20/20, but foresight is the responsibility of our elected leaders.

154 posted on 09/02/2005 1:05:46 PM PDT by Born Conservative ("If not us, who? And if not now, when? - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
Um, maybe because they were under THREE FREAKIN' FEET OF WATER? All of the buses in that pic have their engines underwater. They aren't going anywhere anytime soon. To say that they should have been moved to high ground before the storm is hindsight B.S.

Why is it "hindsight B.S."? Bush isn't given the benefit of "hindsight" by not knowing the everything that was going to happen the day after the storm--the levee break, the looting, the shooting at relief workers and hospitals. His crystal ball was supposed to forsee all of the people needing to be moved out of the city, and was supposed to order a private carrier like Greyhound to go into that city and haul people out.

In my opinion, Nagin SHOULD have known the buses were in one of the lower areas of N'awlins and SHOULD have moved them out as soon as he found out the levee broke. Immediately. Even after the levee broke, what did he do?? From what I can tell, he did NOTHING.

180 posted on 09/02/2005 1:14:58 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel

they were talking about before the storm hit


209 posted on 09/02/2005 1:27:27 PM PDT by flowergirl (Trust in the Lord with all your heart)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
Come on, it's not hindsight. All of the predictions showed Katrina was going to hit with cat 4/5 force and that the levees were likely to fail. This was known to everybody two days before the storm hit. Those busses could and should have been deployed to the Superdome to transport the people after the storm passed.
210 posted on 09/02/2005 1:27:31 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel

We are talking about using the buses to evacuate a great number of people from the city BEFORE the storm hit! These idiots in Louisiana stuck their heads in the sand and had absolutely NO plan to evacuate or deal with the aftermath of a very predictible event.

And they have the nerve to blame the Feds for not doing more!


217 posted on 09/02/2005 1:30:42 PM PDT by GatorGirl (God Bless Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
Um, maybe because they were under THREE FREAKIN' FEET OF WATER? All of the buses in that pic have their engines underwater.

You don't know squat about busses, pal.

241 posted on 09/02/2005 1:41:43 PM PDT by Fresh Wind
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
Hindsight? Hardly. Three points here:
1) School bus fleets have routinely been used for evac in a number of Atlantic coast hurricanes; 2 minutes of Googling will persuade of this, if you're not inclined to take it at face value.
2) No vehicle fleet in the predicted path of a hurricane, particularly a large one, can afford to sit still. High ground, low ground, whatever ground makes no difference in the general case. As a matter of pure practicality and maximum survivability, the fleet must be dispersed.
3) Clearly, given the N.O. school bus depot is in the bowl, this was a matter of ''move it or lose it''. Even if the busses weren't to be used in evac (for what reason I cannot fathom), they simply must be moved to higher ground.

This dolt of a mayor, in addition to killing X number of his city's citizens en passant, has additionally stuck the taxpayers with an 8-figure bill for a new or substantially rebuilt bus fleet. Jackass.

248 posted on 09/02/2005 1:47:28 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
To say that they should have been moved to high ground before the storm is hindsight B.S.

Oh man, to be you must suck Big Time right now.

250 posted on 09/02/2005 1:47:41 PM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Help control the Leftist population. Have them spayed or neutered. ©)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
WHY DIDN'T YOU DEPLOY THE BUSES, MAYOR?... Um, maybe because they were under THREE FREAKIN' FEET OF WATER?

Umm, like, before the storm?

When Bush declared LA a disaster area even before landfall?

Someone double check whether the hurricane was even a Cat 4 when Bush made the declaration.

Prayers!

253 posted on 09/02/2005 1:49:25 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel

All major cities are supposed to have evacuation plans in case of a disaster such as this. This should have been a high priority for NO since it is 10 feet below sea level and in a hurricane zone. This seems so obvious it's sad.


257 posted on 09/02/2005 1:54:14 PM PDT by jaydubya
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel

"because they were under THREE FREAKIN' FEET OF WATER? All of the buses in that pic have their engines underwater."

Not true one brave person stole one of those buses loaded it with hi family, friends, and neighbors and drove it to the Astro Dome.


260 posted on 09/02/2005 1:56:14 PM PDT by usmcobra
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
To say that they should have been moved to high ground before the storm is hindsight B.S.

I disagree. It's a lack of planning:
1) A Category 5 hurricane is coming straight at you.
2) The city is below sea level and the levees are built to hold up against a Category 3 hurricane.
3) The situation is dire enough that everyone from the president on down is urging people to get out of the area and seek shelter.

It was no mystery that the town was likely to be flooded. Mother nature actually gave them an additional 24 hours to get out before the levees broke.

This is a massive failure to plan coupled with a stubborn populace many of whom either didn't understand the danger or chose to ignore it.

280 posted on 09/02/2005 2:14:59 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (RIP New Orleans 1718-2005)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
I disagree, the levee breach followed the storm. If they had been "in the game" they would have known that those buses played a big part in disaster relief. They needed to protect them. Even before the approach of Katrina when the order was given to evacuate NOLA, why were they not deployed to a safe area? They could have carried out many evacuees in the same process. I try to call them like I see them and this sure looks like a failure of leadership.
286 posted on 09/02/2005 2:20:23 PM PDT by 7thOF7th (Righteousness is our cause and justice will prevail!)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
"To say that they should have been moved to high ground before the storm is hindsight B.S."

Yes, it is indeed hindsight to ask that now! But is it not a reasonable and valid question to ask of the very ones, who were the elected leaders of this city and state?

Is it not these very ones who directly bear the responsibility for the welfare of the communities in which they serve?

In fact, how can this question not be asked; especially in light of the undeniable fact, that every one in America(who has at least an 9th grade education) knew that it was a scientific fact, that should a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane hit the city of New Orleans, (which has been warned for at least 8 decades) this very scenario would most likely occur.

An intelligent and reasonable person would think that the Anointed in Power there, would have had enough common sense to have developed a "comprehensive disaster plan" that would have taken into account a worst case scenario,which would include using all means the city had available, to evacuate their people before such a storm hit!

There is no reasonable excuse for this human calamity in New Orleans. The warnings have been there for decades, and the evidence that nothing meaningful was done by the city or state to prepare for it is undeniable.

So the question is valid! Why were the buses not moved to higher ground, so as to be made available for evacuation in the likely event, the worst were to occur?

Here's another valid question? Why didn't the state and local leaders become proactive in disaster planing for the city of New Orleans, when they knew for so long, that what has happened, was someday bound to occur?

I'm waiting.......... What's that you say?

Oh... I see......There wasn't enough federal funds or resources available to the state and local governments, so the state and local leaders couldn't do anything.

Yeah: Sounds reasonable to me!

310 posted on 09/02/2005 4:09:04 PM PDT by Hillarys nightmare (So Proud to be living in "Jesus Land" ! Don't you wish everyone did?)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel
To say that they should have been moved to high ground before the storm is hindsight B.S.

I don't accept excuses like that.

New Orleans has had too many hurricanes and floods, and close calls (including 1998) in recent memory (at least for those of us alive in the '60s).

There is no excuse for the lack of preparation for a city that is in such a precarious position, and has had such a dangerous past in regards to natural disasters.

Something as simple as keeping mass transportation safe to evacuate people and casualities, because they know many people won't or can't evacauate, should have been in the top five things to do on the list of "what happens if a hurricane comes our way".
330 posted on 09/02/2005 5:22:46 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel

"Um, maybe because they were under THREE FREAKIN' FEET OF WATER? "

Uh, people we saying why didnt he deploy them during the evacuation *prior* to the hurricane, and/or at least get them to higher ground.

Even without that, why is he asking for greyhounds, when the state of Louisiana surely has buses galore used in public transit and school systems that could ride to the rescue.

"To say that they should have been moved to high ground before the storm is hindsight B.S."

Not really, a storm surge was expected that would flood new orleans. It was anticipated.


341 posted on 09/02/2005 6:40:06 PM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
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