Posted on 09/02/2005 5:40:24 AM PDT by Dog
President to speak at 9am ...
"The Feds should have helped the locals devise a good plan. They didn't."
IIRC, they did. Most damning to Nagin is the rule on 72 hrs evac notice after declaration of emergency. Nagin the Wise gave them 18 hours.
"So we have rapes in the superdome, wandering pirates terrorizing people, etc."
Declaring Martial Law and authorization of deadly force would have quelled this long ago. As others have tried to point out to you (talk about blind!) there is a telling difference in the other victim locations' better result, when following the plan.
"If this was the plan, I'd hate to see if there was no plan."
Sure there's a plan. ONE STATE, ONE MUNICIPALITY, refused to follow the plan. That's the Fed's fault? That shows the "plan" doesn't work? The plan will only work if it is worked.
Bottom line: NO and the state stewardship of NO has failed in a real and criminal way to provide safety and shelter to the citizens.
I agree.
If they truly expected those levees to fail, then the plan would have been different... Don't go to the Superdome to ride out a hurricane... go to Texas and get a new life because NO will be dead in the morning.
YvetteSmirnoff has left the room!
More than likely it was a retread.
Yeah. No doubt many communities have experienced this kind of thing. It's interesting how many run for office for their own aggrandizement rather than for service of the State. Times like this point out such deficiencies in our system, but no doubt even if we had a competent tyrant at the top we wouldn't be doing any better overall.
I'm not convinced... LOL!
Thank you for explaining this, Peach. Many people do not understand the situation and hopefully they have learned something today.
"Then again, maybe they weren't followed."
That's what we've been telling you.
I am as frustrated as you are, and if there is one thing I imagine you and I would agree on, it would be that the pres is right that the results are inadequate. I expect the results to become much better now, merely because the plan is beginning to be properly applied.
How did we know? LOL.
Yep.
The President does not have the power to declare Martial Law. This declaration has to come from Congress. Hopefully they will do so soon now that they are having an emergency session.
The engineers do their thing and the politicians don't always listen to them. Emergency management, which is unfortunately close to politics, should be more in touch with engineering than they are.
On Sunday people were predicting that if a category 4 or 5 hits direct New Orleans might be wiped out.
The local/State blew it. More people should have been evacuated. There should have been some type of emergency plan.
I didn't know that. Didn't the news say that the Mayor had declared martial law?
It's clear that the state and local officials were not prepared and obviously not qualified to deal with this situation.
All the planning and details that should have been worked out years ago are now being performed on the fly by outsiders while people are dying in the streets of a major city.
NO is famous for it's carefree attitude, also it's corruption and incompetence. They have known for years of the potential disaster from flooding and chose to laugh it off.
It is painful to see people suffering and dying. But it is important to remember that it is a function of what was neglected in the past and not of how well our best people are trying to deal with it in the present.
No hard feelings, then?
:)
No, that isn't what I said. Please don't put your own spin on my words.
I am stating that the most obvious chink to ME in HS, is incompetant leadership at certain levels. Ex. Blanco. There isn't really anything HS could have done to address that according to our laws. That law needs to be under strong consideration for change. HS needs to be able to come in and take over rather than wait on politicians that aren't equipped to deal with this size of destruction.
There are other areas that can bear correction, but to ME, this is the obvious problem that has allowed new orleans to spin so out of control. That needs to be corrected immediately.
Afterwards, of course, we do also have to consider how to boost communication levels when phone lines are done, get help to people when entire cities are under water, etc...there is a lot of room for improvement to figure out how to improve response. I would consider mandatory evacuations, rather then voluntary. Forcefully expelling people rather then giving a choice.
I do acknowledge many rooms for improvement, just deny it's complete failure on the basis of one city that it strikes me is in chaos due more to incompetance in leadership then HS response.
AMEN, owf!
DAMMMIT IT IS NOT! I'm tired of repeating myself to you people! You don't listen, you don't read, you DO NOT COMPREHEND AND YOU ALL DO IT ON PURPOSE!
The office of Homelend Security was established to coordinate federal efforts to detect, prepare for, prevent, protect against, respond to, and recover from terrorist attacks within the United States, NOT TO EVACUATE HURRICANE FLIPPING VICTIMS.
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