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BREAKING!!! - Weldon says records were ordered destroyed!! (Able Danger)
Dom Giordano Show - 1210AM Radio "Big Talker" - Philadelphia | 29 AUG 05 | Vanity

Posted on 08/29/2005 6:23:38 PM PDT by Lancey Howard

Congressman Curt Weldon (R - Pennsylvania) gave another exclusive interview to Dom Giordano this evening (Monday) and broke the news that he will be giving a speech on September 8th (next Monday) during which he will present yet another 'Able Danger' witness. This new witness will attest (and will swear under oath when called) that he was "ordered to destroy records" relating to the 'Able Danger' program.

This order to destroy the records occurred prior to 9-11-01. Weldon intimated that it happened during the Clinton Administration.

The witness, who Weldon did not name, says that he was ordered to destroy records and was threatened with jail if he failed to comply. Weldon said that he has the names of the people involved, including the person who gave the order, and HE WILL NAME THEM in his speech.

Congressman Weldon also said that his staff has met with Senator Arlen Specter's (R - Pennsylvania) staff regarding the upcoming Judiciary Committee hearings. Weldon wants to be sure that everybody is on the same page. Weldon also said that he will do whatever he has to do to make sure that ALL the facts come out and that the process "is not manipulated".

Curt Weldon is like a pit bull on a steak. He expressed disgust with the "incompetence" of the 9-11 Commission and said that the victims of the 9-11 terror attacks deserve answers. Weldon is determined to see that they get them.

Weldon did express confidence in Tim Roehmer and John Lehman and speculated that perhaps the poor job done by the Commission was the result of an incompetent staff. Weldon sounded amazed and disappointed that so much important information was either glossed over or swept under the rug by the Commission.

Weldon will give his September 8th speech either to the National Press Club or to a "9-11 families" group which has asked him to speak. He apparently hasn't nailed down the exact venue yet.

(For those unfamiliar with Dom Giordano, he is a very good conservative local talk show host here in the Philadelphia area, an area which includes Curt Weldon's district. Weldon comes on Dom's show often and, like this evening, sometimes breaks news.)

TOPICS: Breaking News; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 911; 911commission; abledanger; alqaeda; atta; china; coverup; dripdripdrip; gorelick; gorelickswall; hillarywascoprez; iraq; maryjowhitememo; puppetmasters; weldon; whitewash
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421 posted on 08/29/2005 8:46:38 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Any bets that Lanny Davis, John Podesta and/or Jimmy Carville will be on talk shows next week. It wouldn't surprise me if Chrissy had Slime Ben-Venista on.

422 posted on 08/29/2005 8:46:45 PM PDT by Seattle Conservative (God Bless and protect our troops and their CIC)
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To: dts32041

If you are a slave in your own mind you can never be free. Fortunately us free men will fight the fight you rhetoricize away.

423 posted on 08/29/2005 8:47:10 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: infidel29
You're not kidding.I would put Weldon and the witness under the protection of heavily armed guards 24 hours a day.There's a certain group of people who already expended a great deal of energy trying to cover this up and I doubt they are going to give up so easy.Weldon better grow eyes in the back of his head.
424 posted on 08/29/2005 8:47:10 PM PDT by rdcorso (Bill Clinton Stuck His Cigar In Foreign Places And Called It Foreign Policy)
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To: Lancey Howard

So did Sandy make notes on something using Able Danger info and then have to go get rid of it?

425 posted on 08/29/2005 8:48:04 PM PDT by tiki
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To: zip


426 posted on 08/29/2005 8:48:18 PM PDT by Mrs Zip
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To: nopardons

My memory fails me frequently. However, McCarthy went after some in the creative arts who were less of a Communist than Hillary Clinton and destroyed their careers. McCarthy never quite recovered from the piece that Edward R. Murrow did on him.

McCarthy became a very powerful Senator. But, there is an old adage that I believe and that I think applies. "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

427 posted on 08/29/2005 8:48:43 PM PDT by FOXFANVOX (Freedom is not free!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

MSM cover it ? Not a chance in hell.

428 posted on 08/29/2005 8:49:17 PM PDT by hoboken109
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To: nopardons

Tail gunner Joe gave his life defending the country. Its taken a while to figure this out, but eventually the truth will out.

429 posted on 08/29/2005 8:50:02 PM PDT by dalight
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To: Enchante; All

Was ABLE DANGER a precurser to DARPA's Total Information Awareness? It disappearred real quick after admittidly just a small amout of public 'bitchin'? Unsually these programs grow legs and wings even before the gen. pop. knows whats goin on.

Jet fuel all around. . . Who's got the match?

430 posted on 08/29/2005 8:50:31 PM PDT by ebiskit (South Park Republican)
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To: Enchante
My guess is that some patriotic AD contractor thought (quite plausibly) "Gee, this powerful software might help turn up espionage or losses of sensitive technologies, let's see what we can find." They probably thought they were doing a great demo for the Pentagon to say "look at what else this super-duper software can do for you!" Unfortunately for them, and the country, they came up with all sorts of Clinton and DNC officials tied to shady deals with China, and the DOD Clinton/Gorelick lawyers freaked out and shut down the whole program. [raising Condi Rice's name in this context has been an obvious smokescreen -- in 2000 she had not been in power and could not have been involved in shady dealings with China -- but plenty of Democrats were!!!!]

OK, let's say it was a gee whiz mistake. Here's what I don't get... The contractor puts on the show and rather than getting praise, he gets horrified looks and... and what? Is he asked to destroy the software? Or the information? Who was he? What's his company? What happened to him? Are you saying world data on the Chinese connections to the dems has been destroyed - not just the software to uncover the connections? And by the Pentagon? Who was in charge when this happened? The man who worked security at the WTC was pushed out of the FBI and he was their big UBL specialist. That happened around the same time. What was that connection? UBL was big on drug dealing -- and had billions. And was involved with us in Afghanistan at some point. Was there a Clinton connection there?

431 posted on 08/29/2005 8:50:42 PM PDT by GOPJ
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To: Lancey Howard
I hope someone is watching out for these whistle-blowers ... THAT might be a dangerous thing to be.
432 posted on 08/29/2005 8:51:33 PM PDT by zeaal (SPREAD TRUTH!)
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To: concerned about politics

Yup, Captain's Quarters has a great post that just went up tonight about CHINAGATE and the Clinton/Reno Dept. of "Justice".... I've pasted an excerpt below but it's well worth reading the whole thing at their site:

The Chinese Connection
According to the AIM report,

Simultaneously [with the appointment of Scruggs in 1993], Director Freeh was dismantling the FBI's counterintelligence capabilities. The China section was especially hard hit. Experienced China counterintelligence specialists like Ray Wickman and T. Van Majors had retired or sought reassignment to field offices. Consequently, the National Security Division lost the expertise built up over the years of working with OIPR and preparing FISA applications.
Scruggs was criticized by Ronald Kessler in his book The Bureau: The Secret History of the FBI, for using this issue as a pretext to increase his status with Reno and expand his staff and budget. Scruggs erected barriers between the FBI and Justice's Criminal Division and threatened to reject automatically any FBI attempt to obtain a FISA warrant should the Bureau violate his rules. In this fashion, the FBI was deprived of advice and assistance from the Justice Department's Criminal Division in espionage or terrorist cases. [emphasis added]

It is now generally conceded that the People's Republic of China (which I hereafter call Red China, because I'm an old fogey who doesn't like changing terms of long usage and perfect clarity) established a spy network of stunning breadth during the Clinton administration, primarily focusing on obtaining our most up-to-date nuclear technology and strategy. Of more controversy is why: the Right asserts, and the Left hotly denies that Clinton himself turned a blind eye to Chinese espionage because of the very large campaign contributions funneled into the Clinton war chest by the Peoples Liberation Army (PLA) and various intelligence agencies of Red China; the last estimate I saw indicated that the PLA eventually donated as much as $4 million to Clinton's campaign and library funds and to the Democratic National Committee, channeled through various cutouts, including Maria Hsia, Johnny Chung, John Huang, and Charlie Trie.

The United States also changed its foreign policy with respect to Red China in several ways favorable to them during this period; for example, retracting our promise to defend Taiwan in the event of an attack by Red China, granting technology-transfer waivers to Loral Space and Communications and Hughes Electronic Corp. to share state-of-the-art launch technology with Red China, and attempting to sell the former U.S. Naval Base at Long Beach to COSCO, the China Ocean Shipping Company -- a well-known front for the PLA. Much of this is detailed in Edward Timperlake and William C. Triplett II's excellent book the Year of the Rat: How Bill Clinton Compromised U.S. Security for Chinese Cash, as well as in Bill Gertz's Betrayal : How the Clinton Administration Undermined American Security. Each person can draw his own conclusions about any connection between these events.

But how does any of this relate to the wall of separation at Justice that prevented transmitting Able Danger intelligence to the FBI in 2000?

Starting in 1993, the FBI began investigating what they believed to be one of the most effective and damaging Chinese spies in the country: Dr. Wen Ho Lee, working on nuclear technology at Los Alamos National Laboratory. Lee was eventually charged with fifty-nine counts; but the case was botched, and all but one of the charges were dropped. Lee pled guilty to one count of "unlawfully retaining national defense information" and was sentenced to time served.

In 1997, the FBI wanted to search Wen Ho Lee's computer accounts at Los Alamos, both those for classified information that he had access to and also his personal office computer, which was unsecured: the FBI believed that Lee was transferring highly classified technical documents from the classified computer to the unsecured, web-connected computer -- whence, the government eventually alleged, the Red Chinese snatched them. None of this was proven at trial; in fact, at least some of the information seems not to have been accessible by Lee. But the FBI believed they needed to inspect Lee's computers and wiretap his phone, and they sent a Letterhead Memorandum up the chain at Justice requesting a FISA warrant... which the OIPR had to decide whether or not to turn into a formal application to the FISA court.

In 1996 or 1997, Scruggs, a protege of Attorney General Janet Reno, left that position and was replaced by an interim acting counsel, Gerald Schroeder. It was Schroeder who rejected the FBI's request, refusing to pass it along to the FISA court.

Under Scruggs, the OIPR had significantly expanded the wall of separation; after Scruggs left, Schroeder refused even to relay an FBI request for a FISA warrant to the FISA court to investigate potential Red Chinese espionage of critical nuclear technology. At this very same time, President Clinton was under investigation by members of Congress for cozying up to Red China in exchange for campaign cash... and Janet Reno was frantically stonewalling demands that she appoint a special counsel to investigate Clinton's China connections.

There is no proof that Reno's attempts to stifle investigation into Red Chinese penetration of the White House influenced the decision by the acting counsel for intelligence at the Department of Justice (who heads the OIPR) to put a lid on the investigation of suspected Red Chinese spy Wen Ho Lee. But certainly it was -- I can't resist -- another brick in the wall of separation. By this point, it had become terribly difficult for OIPR to approve any connection at all between intelligence and law enforcement.

-- SNIP -- ...........

The Great Wall of China

Critics of the almost obsessive focus on Jamie Gorelick's role in the Able Danger fiasco, which may have prevented the breakup of Mohammed Atta's al-Qaeda cell in Brooklyn and the quashing of the 9/11 attacks, are right in one sense: Gorelick was not alone. Gorelick's mentor, Janet Reno, had other agents: Richard Scruggs, Gerald Schroeder, and Frances Townsend were all close associates of the attorney general; and Louis Freeh became close to Reno, as well. All followed the same trail blazed by the boss, President William Jefferson Clinton.

All six of these individuals (seven, counting the president himself) were true believers in building that wall higher and higher. I suspect that OIPR's fear of being rejected by the FISA court and Clinton's well-known loathing of defense and disdain for intelligence gathering in general combined into a "perfect storm." The intelligence side would simply not even be allowed to talk to the criminal investigation side. The wall of separation became a veritable Great Wall of China, completely segregating intelligence gathering at the CIA, DIA, Naval Intelligence, the National Security Divison of the FBI, and yes, the Able Danger data-mining operation from the criminal investigators and prosecutors under the Department of Justice -- including the FBI. Everybody on both sides of the wall contributed another brick or two.

That same Great Wall also imprisoned the federal criminal-justice system itself: they were isolated, sequestered, and kept in the dark about the great and terrible events swirling around the country (and the world) from 1993 right up to when the hammer fell on September 11th... and even beyond, until Congress enacted the USA PATRIOT Act a month later.

In another sense, though, the critics are dead wrong: it is worth focusing on Gorelick because she wrote the clearest (though not the first) directive expanding the Great Wall -- and because she was subsequently foisted upon the 9/11 Commission by the Democrats in a crass and blatant (and ultimately successful) attempt to ensure that none of this would come out in the commission's final report.

In this case, success may not have a thousand fathers, but it surely has at least seven progenitors.

Posted by Dafydd at 09:48 PM

433 posted on 08/29/2005 8:51:37 PM PDT by Enchante
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To: nopardons


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To: mercy
If they don't shape up tell them you really can't have such jerks in your life and walk away.

What if they're members of your family? LOL.

435 posted on 08/29/2005 8:53:07 PM PDT by StarFan
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To: Republic
No, the Clintons are NOT particularly "smart"; they are vile, nasty, evil, and devious. But, on the bright side, the FBI files that Hillary once had, did NOT get anywhere near the letter W !

Bill isn't the nominal president, as a Senator, Hill can't do what she once could, with impunity, and their creepy private eye is stewing in jail.

Hillary has NOTHING at all to offer Arlen, but President Bush and his team have already roughed him up and he knows that they will again...should he go all Scottish Law on them. And don't forget that he's in very ill health and wants desperately to have a "good" legacy.

Weldon is a very clever man. He has played this out as though he were channeling Niccolo Machiavelli and that Chinese ( or is it Japanese ? ) war planner.

436 posted on 08/29/2005 8:53:32 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Republic


Except that Arlen Spectre is a world government globalist through and through.

He only appears otherwise to the degree he has to in order to get away with holding on to power, imho.

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To: InterceptPoint

That is a very deceptive and misleading description of how the Commission was formed. The Traitor Media and the Party of Treason dragged the President into forming it and made it politically dangerous for him not to accept it. All in all it will rebound in his favor since it was so egregiously flawed and that flaw we jumped on right away. It is totally discredited and is now a weapon to be used against the Party of Treason.

Once again the Left's plans blow up in its face.

438 posted on 08/29/2005 8:53:51 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: DAC22
They want to be President would be a good reason.


439 posted on 08/29/2005 8:54:33 PM PDT by GOPJ
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
Just curious. How is it that this can wait until 9/8?

Maybe they are waiting for the hurricane news to subside.

440 posted on 08/29/2005 8:54:50 PM PDT by Black Tooth
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