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Evolution Debate creates monster [Flying Spaghetti monster, to be exact]
Lawrence Journal-World ^ | August 24, 2005 | Scott Rothschild

Posted on 08/24/2005 6:51:49 AM PDT by Quick1

Topeka — From Darwin to intelligent design to the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

The debate over teaching evolution in Kansas public schools has caught the attention of a cross-country Internet community of satirists.

In the past few weeks, hundreds of followers of the supreme Flying Spaghetti Monster have swamped state education officials with urgent e-mails.

They argue that since the conservative majority of the State Board of Education has blessed classroom science standards at the behest of intelligent design supporters, which criticize evolution, they want the gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster taught.

“I’m sure you realize how important it is that your students are taught this alternate theory,” writes Bobby Henderson, a Corvallis, Ore., resident whose Web site, www.venganza.org, is part FSM tribute and part job search. Karl Gehring/Journal-World Illustration

Karl Gehring/Journal-World Illustration

“It is absolutely imperative that they realize that observable evidence is at the discretion of a Flying Spaghetti Monster,” he wrote to the education board.

Henderson did not return a telephone call for comment. He says in his letter that it is disrespectful to teach about the FSM without wearing “full pirate regalia.”

Board member Bill Wagnon, a Democrat, whose district includes Lawrence, said he has received more than 500 e-mails from supporters of FSM.

“Clearly, these are just supreme satirists. What they are doing is pointing out that there is no more sense to intelligent design than there is to a Flying Spaghetti Monster,” Wagnon said.

Intelligent design posits that some aspects of biology are so complex, they point toward an intelligent creator.

ID proponents helped shepherd a report and hearings that have resulted in science standards that criticize evolution and have put Kansas in the middle of international attention on the subject.

John Calvert, of Lake Quivira, the lawyer who was instrumental in writing the science standards that criticize evolution, said he had seen the FSM e-mails, and was not impressed.

“You can only use that misinformation so long,” Calvert said. Calvert said the science standards do not promote intelligent design, but show that evolution has its critics.

Wagnon and the three other board members who support evolution have written Henderson back, saying they appreciated the comic relief but that they were saddened that the science standards were being changed to criticize evolution.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Political Humor/Cartoons; US: Kansas
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To: PatrickHenry; VadeRetro; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; js1138; Shryke; ...

Lookie here...


21 posted on 08/24/2005 7:16:57 AM PDT by shuckmaster
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To: weegee

there are no missing links......keep up with the times....there are slow smooth transitions upward during times of plenty...then more abrupt ones which are caused by environmental changes and or catastrophes....but they are there....in black and white and the whole process from amobea to man has been going on for billions of years...WAKE UP. you can believe in God and still embrace tangible realities......they are not mutually exclusive.


22 posted on 08/24/2005 7:18:57 AM PDT by Vaquero (lets all play " The Crusades")
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To: Dark Knight
NS is a theory. It has warts. ID is a theory. Not sure what it has. ID is certainly NOT a theory. It has no testable, falsifiable hypothesis, and as such, can never become a scientific theory.
23 posted on 08/24/2005 7:19:10 AM PDT by Quick1
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To: mc6809e
Both accounts you cite are reducible to distinct points of view: the Chinese account is materialist and the Hindu account is creationist.

Interestingly, the Chinese account postulates the evolution of man from parasites, and the Hindu account postulates the direct role of the deity in forming creatures.

24 posted on 08/24/2005 7:20:07 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Quick1

Flying Spaghetti Monster bump


25 posted on 08/24/2005 7:20:59 AM PDT by firewalk
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To: wideawake
It is there in the fossil record...pick it up an look at it....and please don't hide behind conservatism.....there are more than enough of us men of science behind that rock with you...it is not your exclusive bailiwick and you give it a bad name.
26 posted on 08/24/2005 7:22:10 AM PDT by Vaquero (lets all play " The Crusades")
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To: Quick1
The whole point here is simple. We have people trying to make the point that "Intelligent Design" is NOT science, it is religion masquerading as science. It's a pity they had to go reductio ad absurdium to prove the point, but CREATIONISM IS RELIGION. Teach it in Religious Studies classes. Evolution is the current scientific theory, and it should be taught in science classes.
27 posted on 08/24/2005 7:23:03 AM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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To: Quick1
ID is certainly NOT a theory. It has no testable, falsifiable hypothesis, and as such, can never become a scientific theory.

Yeah, but aside from that.

28 posted on 08/24/2005 7:23:59 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Quick1
Maybe you should check your facts.

You prove my point.

Gravity is an observable phenomenon - a fact - which we cannot yet satisfactorily explain in detail, and there are therefore different theories regarding its nature - the particle/wave debates, string theory, etc.

Biological diversity is an observable phenomenon - a fact - which we cannot yet satisfactorily explain in detail, and there are therefore different theories regarding its nature - evolutionary theory, design theory, etc.

29 posted on 08/24/2005 7:24:43 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Quick1
"...there is no more sense to intelligent design than there is to a Flying Spaghetti Monster"

When they run out of rational arguments, they retreat into ad hominem attacks and creating strawmen.

30 posted on 08/24/2005 7:25:11 AM PDT by Gritty ("The bumper-sticker, 'War is Never the Answer', depends on the question! - Mark Steyn)
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To: Quick1; Vaquero

Evolution is NOT incompatible with Christinity.

Most Catholics ( who are Christian ) believe in the science of evolution and don't purport to know that God created the earth in 6 24hr days...which is a human conception.

Now they are putting stickers in physics textbooks in Georgia that says "Gravity is not a proven theory". This is getting really out of control. Science is the gift that God gave mankind. How we use it is up to us. My faith is much bigger than "somebody's " idea of creation.


31 posted on 08/24/2005 7:25:13 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9-11!)
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To: wideawake
Biological diversity is an observable phenomenon - a fact - which we cannot yet satisfactorily explain in detail, and there are therefore different theories regarding its nature - evolutionary theory, design theory, etc.

When was Intelligent Design elevated to the level of Theory? It has no testable, falsifiable hypothesis.
32 posted on 08/24/2005 7:26:44 AM PDT by Quick1
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To: Quick1

Uhhh, yeah it could. The designer could show us directly that this is how they did it. We could reproduce the information and verify it. We could base predictions on that information.

I think were gonna figure it out before that happens.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster however is an insult to the many, many more mainstream pasta religions everywhere. I would dare say it a religion of Terrorism.

DK


33 posted on 08/24/2005 7:27:03 AM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: wideawake
and there are therefore different theories regarding its nature - evolutionary theory, design theory, etc.

I prefer the 'tiny angels snipping DNA with tiny gold scissors' theory. It has just as much supporting evidence as ID. In fact, I *demand* it be taught in science classes.

34 posted on 08/24/2005 7:27:54 AM PDT by blowfish
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To: BeforeISleep
Flying Spaghetti Monster bump Hah...how bout this...... You are a fluke of the universe; you have no right to be here, & whether you can hear it or not, the universe is laughing behind your back. Therefore make peace with your God whatever you conceive Him to be -- Hairy Thunderer or Cosmic Muffin. With all its hopes, dreams, promises, & urban renewal, the world continues to deteriorate. Give up. FROM DETERIORATA....THE NATIONAL LAMPOON
35 posted on 08/24/2005 7:27:57 AM PDT by Vaquero (lets all play " The Crusades")
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To: Gritty

Actually, there are plenty of rational arguments. The problem is that the IDers completely ignore them and instead listen to things that make them "feel" good, so we have to do some silly stuff to even get their attention.


36 posted on 08/24/2005 7:28:50 AM PDT by Quick1
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To: Gumlegs

May you be touched by His Noodly Appendage, for then you shall be truly blessed.


38 posted on 08/24/2005 7:33:02 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: Quick1
“You can only use that misinformation so long,” Calvert said. Calvert said the science standards do not promote intelligent design, but show that evolution has its critics.

"Teach the controversy," yes. That's easy, BTW. The controversy is not in science. The controversy is in school board rooms.

The main question is on the ID side. There are the Raelians, the FSM-ists, the Last Thursdayists, etc. Coyoteman has the exhaustive if not complete list.

39 posted on 08/24/2005 7:33:08 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Vaquero
You are a fluke of the universe; you have no right to be here, & whether you can hear it or not, the universe is laughing behind your back. Therefore make peace with your God whatever you conceive Him to be -- Hairy Thunderer or Cosmic Muffin. With all its hopes, dreams, promises, & urban renewal, the world continues to deteriorate. Give up. FROM DETERIORATA....THE NATIONAL LAMPOON


This explains everything...thanks matey
40 posted on 08/24/2005 7:35:27 AM PDT by firewalk
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