Posted on 08/19/2005 10:09:03 PM PDT by Yosemitest
Whose Kids Are In Iraq? The Ones Who Make The Country Work
August 15, 2005
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CALLER: Thank you for taking my call.
RUSH: Yeah.
CALLER: I believe that Cindy Sheehan is bringing up one important point, though.
RUSH: What's that?
CALLER: If this is a valiant and noble cause, why don't we have [sic] any senators sons or House of Representatives sons volunteering to go over there? Why isn't the president's daughters doing something for the war effort, if this is such a valiant effort? And that's the primary purpose that she has made this protest for, is the fact that the average person is being used as cannon fodder basically for this effort, and it's not a noble cause.
RUSH: John, you disappoint me, but you don't surprise me. No war is noble as far as you all are concerned. The US is guilty. This argument is tiresome, boring, and specious. Why didn't the president's daughters go? It's a volunteer force! The president didn't "send" Cindy Sheehan's son over there; he volunteered. If she is doing anything, she is sullying his memory. She is making his life worthless. She is making what he volunteered to do worthless, and you guys, you don't see this. There are sons, there are family members of elected officials in Washington who have been and are in Iraq. It's not a great number, but they are there. But it's not a draft, and the president can't choose who goes. It's a volunteer army and everything that you said is doing a disservice to those who have volunteered to represent this country and serve this country and their families, and if I were you, I would be ashamed and try to grow up and get a little maturity.
World War II was not won by Eisenhower. World War II was not won by FDR. World War II was not won by any particular leader. World War II was not won by Patton. Everybody played a role. But without the sons and daughters of the American people, this country wouldn't amount to anything. It is the people who make this country work, and the ease with which those of you on the left disparage the people in this country while you seek to focus all attention on government, is a sight to behold, and it is why you are losing elections; it is why you are losing favor; it is why you are becoming more fringe and extreme and kooky, because you've lost touch. You've lost contact. You've lost all ability to understand who it is that comprises the heart and soul of this country. You have no clue who the backbone of this country is; but I will tell you this: it's not Cindy Sheehan and it's not one member of her entourage in a ditch in Crawford, Texas. Those people are a bunch of squatters. Those people right now are contributing nothing to the greatness or future of this country. Neither are the members of the media who are down there trying to elevate all those people in the ditch to be superheroes. There's not one of them that comes anywhere near rating the title of hero. They are nothing but a bunch of squatters who are miserable and unhappy for who knows whatever reasons and deciding to take it out on people who they think have control over their lives. In this case, with a bunch of liberals, it's government. You want government to have control over your life, you want government to be able to do this and that for your friends and neighbors and help you, but the simple truth of this country is that it's the people who make this country work. It is the people who comprise the economy.
It is the people who comprise the morality. It is the people of this country who determine the ethics. It is the people of this country, and that's what you're upset about because you're in the minority. The people of this country, the people who make this country work differ from you in tremendous ways. They are religious. They are God-fearing. They respect values and morality. They know what's right and they know what's wrong, and they do their best to abide. You are offended by all that, claiming they don't have the right to make such decisions, while you sit around and make no decisions whatsoever because you're willing to totally put your life in the hands of some liberal politician and that will take you off the hook for having to make any decision about your life or anybody else's. Well, that's not how the country works. This country works on the basis of an educated and informed public seeking excellence in their own lives to whatever degree they wish it. People pursuing life the best they can, using freedom, God-given freedom -- and for you to call here and to come up with something as irrelevant as to say this war is not worth it because the president's kids aren't there or because nobody from Washington's kids are there doesn't say a thing about the war effort, doesn't say one thing about it, doesn't make it noble, doesn't make it ignoble, doesn't make it anything, because the war is taking place. Whether you agree with the fact that it's going on or not, we all have come to the decision that it's best that we win it. You haven't even joined us on that. You hope we lose it. You want to lose it because you want to embarrass the leaders of the country. What must your lives be like?
Are your lives so endless, baseless, and void of substance that the only pleasure you get from life is through watching the misery of others and trying to cause misery for others? Are you so incapable of enjoying the God-given gift of life that you've got, that you can only do so when other people are suffering, hopefully as a result of actions you've taken? What must it be like to be you people? What must it be like to get up every day and to have to go to your calendar and write "Destroy somebody today. Destroy something today. Destroy America today"? What must that be like? When you look out across the country and you see a burgeoning economy, you see the lone world superpower -- and it's not because of any president, and it's not because of any weapon, and it's not because of any military, it's because of the people of this country and our values and our Constitution. We're no different than any other people, other than we have freedom -- and you don't even like that! You only want freedom for yourselves, defined as you define it. So people can't say things that offend you, they can't do things that offend you, we can't have stupid names for sports teams. The absurdity of this whole political correctness movement. We can't have some team called the Redskins, we can't have some team called the Seminoles. Don't you understand these team names do it, it's an honor? Do you think a school calls itself the Seminoles to make fun of the Seminoles or are they trying to build themselves up? It's a matter of pride. But you people are so miserably unhappy that you have to find ways to constantly make everybody else around you unhappy, and so you go hang around with a woman who's crazed out of her mind in a ditch in Crawford, Texas, and then you have the audacity to call here and tell us that you are the great ones, that you're the ones that care, that you're the ones that have this country's best interests at heart.
If it were up to you people we wouldn't exist as a country today, you would have given in to the Soviets long ago, you would have appeased the Soviet communists. You would appease Iran right now, you probably wouldn't have cared about the war on terror or the bombing on 9/11. You would have sought out bin Laden and tried to make a deal with him, and this country exists today only because we have been able to prevent you from gaining power to do that kind of thing. We've had our run-ins with Neville Chamberlain types and you're the modern incarnation. To sit here, to actually have the gall to call this program and advance something you think as an intellectual argument that Cindy Sheehan's cause is noble, because the president's daughters aren't in Iraq, or congressmen's sons and daughters aren't in Iraq, have you no shame? Do you realize whose sons and daughters are? Do you understand it's voluntary? Do you understand these are people who are offering their lives in sacrifice for things they believe in? And what do you do? You come along and you try to disabuse them of their belief by telling them that they're wrong and that their country sucks. Well, to the extent that they think their country sucks it's because of you and your efforts to constantly undermine this country's best interests and our desires and efforts to protect the people of this country and to bring freedom to as many others in this world as possible. You people on the left used to be the ones that were all for civil rights around the world. You were all for human rights. Now all of a sudden you couldn't care less about the status of Iraqis. You couldn't care less. It's gotten so absurd, now that Howard Dean said on TV that if this new constitution is enacted as written, that the women of Iraq are going to be worse off than they were under Saddam Hussein.
Do you realize how patently absurd and bordering on insane that comment is? No, you don't. Because you think so little of your own country, you think so little of this president, you have such little faith in the ideals that have combined to make this a great country, that you assume it's worse here than anywhere else, and the places that it is bad is because of us, either through environmental pollution, or whatever cockamamie, asinine, stupid, ignoramus idea you can come up with. It's gotten to the point now where it is common to go on Democrat websites and read about the pleasure it would bring if the president were assassinated. It is now common to read letters to the editors in newspapers which say it would be fun if bin Laden actually came over here and slit Bush's throat, which is what a supporter of Sheehan wrote to a letter of the editor in one of the newspapers in this country. Yes, it would have been better if bin Laden would have just come here and slit Bush's throat. Do you have any idea how you people are perceived? Do you have the slightest idea how the decent people who make this country work perceive you? It is not with any respect. It is with contempt and it's with sorrow. But it's also with this realization: This country, if it is to survive, cannot be turned over to you people to lead and to run, because we will cease to exist as the United States the day that happens, and mark my word. It ain't going to happen.
CALLER: Thank you, sir, I appreciate it. Yeah, I just wanted to say, especially after that one caller, I mean I didn't volunteer because the president's daughters were doing something or some senator's son was joining or anything like that, and I didn't join because I was coming from the ghetto and I wanted to get out. You know, I joined because it was a career choice, and I wanted to do it, and I really feel that if her son was here today -- and I understand her grief. I mean, I'm a father as well, but I served in Iraq. I've served in Afghanistan. I've been over there many times, and, you know, I've had friends lost right next to me in battle, and I can understand the grief, but, you know what? At the same time they're doing what they wanted to do. So many of these people are stuck back in the Vietnam days, and the days of the draft, that I used to get e-mail saying, "Boy, I'm sorry that you're over there." I would e-mail back and say, "What do you mean, you're sorry? I put myself here on purpose. This is what I want to do."
RUSH: It's no more complicated than the fact that the people who are engaged in all this simply don't like this country, and they haven't liked it since the sixties. They haven't liked it their whole lives. Thankfully there aren't that many of them. There are only a hundred people down there with her, but she's gone beyond grief, this is not about grief for her, this is not a woman grieving, this is a woman reveling this attention, this is a woman soaking it all up. This is a woman thinking she matters. Which we all want to do. Everybody wants to matter. Everybody wants their life to have meaning. Unfortunately, hers has taken on this direction that the meaning she thinks she's deriving is actually empty. There's no meaning to what she's doing. She's a pawn, she's a tool of a bunch of fellow crackpots upon whom we couldn't depend if our lives were at stake, and that's why they are so few and far between. Thankfully, they are not anywhere near the majority of people in the country.
Read the Articles...
(Washington Times: Inside Politics By Greg Pierce)
(Christopher Hitchens: Don't "Son" Me; End this silly talk about sacrificing children.)
(John Byrnes: A Mother's Loss)
(CNS: Bush Answers Anti-War Mom Indirectly -- Again)
(Boston Globe: Antiwar camp losing appeal with Bush neighbor)
(Newsweek: How Bush Deals With Grieving Military Families)
(Newsmax: Demonstrators Counter Sheehan)
(Newsmax: Sheehan Blames Israel for Terrorism)
(MRC: Top Media Flock to Anti-War Mom)
(MRC: Puffing Moms And Grannies For "Peace")
(MRC: NBC Showcases Sheehan, MSNBC Touts Her as Symbol of "Dissent")
(MRC: Fred Barnes Calls Sheehan "Crackpot," Rues Media Focus on Her)
(TAS: Everyone Knows It's Cindy)
(AP: Mom's Protest Riles Gun-Toting Neighbor)
(Drudge Report: Protesting Soldier Mom Changed Story on Bush)
(Drudge Report: Family of Casey Sheehan Pleads: Please Stop, Cindy!)
(CFP: Cindy Sheehan the latest media darling)
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You need to lay off the laxatives, you've poo'd yer brains out already.
World War II was not won by Eisenhower. World War II was not won by FDR. World War II was not won by any particular leader. World War II was not won by Patton. Everybody played a role. But without the sons and daughters of the American people, this country wouldn't amount to anything. It is the people who make this country work, and the ease with which those of you on the left disparage the people in this country while you seek to focus all attention on government, is a sight to behold, and it is why you are losing elections; it is why you are losing favor; it is why you are becoming more fringe and extreme and kooky, because you've lost touch. You've lost contact. You've lost all ability to understand who it is that comprises the heart and soul of this country. You have no clue who the backbone of this country is; but I will tell you this: it's not Cindy Sheehan and it's not one member of her entourage in a ditch in Crawford, Texas. Those people are a bunch of squatters. Those people right now are contributing nothing to the greatness or future of this country. Neither are the members of the media who are down there trying to elevate all those people in the ditch to be superheroes. There's not one of them that comes anywhere near rating the title of hero. They are nothing but a bunch of squatters who are miserable and unhappy for who knows whatever reasons and deciding to take it out on people who they think have control over their lives. In this case, with a bunch of liberals, it's government. You want government to have control over your life, you want government to be able to do this and that for your friends and neighbors and help you, but the simple truth of this country is that it's the people who make this country work. It is the people who comprise the economy.
Well said.
bookmark
Generalizations? We've heard the truths of success from the Iraqis, from the mouths of our courageous Soldiers and seen it proven in the massive growing list of scumbag Al Queda dead.
Or are you referring to generalizations like "War for oil", "Unjust War" and my personal favorite "BUSH'S FAULT!"?!?
The one major flaw in your comment? This is Earth...
If it acts like a troll, smells like a troll and posts like a troll...
If this discourse is any indication of the level of quality that Rush has added to the voice of America, we are truly blessed.
I agree fully with Rush .. it can't and it ain't going to happen. I may be living abroad, but I excerice my rights. I vote, maintain a home and a residency in Wa., am a member of the NRA and GOA, maintain my concealed carry permit, and support all that's good in America. There are days that I'm afraid I'll be coming home to a revolution...that it will go that far. However, after reading this post, and many others like it by all you right minded people here on FR, I have hope that we still have the character left to regain America and effect change from within.
You won't be disappointed!
How simple your life must be...
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Soldiers in Iraq aren't dying to protect our freedom.
It's so typical for the great unwashed to simply miss "The big picture". It's like an 8088 attempting to run a P4 program. Crash and burn as soon as the first bit of information comes along.
The WOT is directly related to our personal freedom. How? By defeating terror through destroying those who provide financing, safe harbor or encourage terror. How does this help OUR freedom? By eliminating a threat that would otherwise require us to turn into a police state in order to ensure the continued survival of mankind. Why is it that level of threat? Because certain failed states have researched a sufficient level of technology to potentially produce "doomsday" weapons and make said available on the open market for terrorists. Are you following along?
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Oil companies are making record profits while Americans fill up their suv's, insuring that terrorists will be around for a long time.
Absolutely true. It's a free country and you cannot dictate the pricing of a commodity in demand below it's perceived market level. Why? 1) Because it can be sold at a higher price somewhere else, if not by the mfgr, then by capitalists who will speculate on the after market price. You would see sales of such go outside of the country where people would pay the higher value. 2) You cannot force an individual to produce said quantity if they know they cannot retrieve profits at the perceived market value. They will sit on supplies. You will have an even greater shortage if any supplies at all.
Remember when Clinton released oil reserves during the gas crunch at the end of his disasterous administration? Do you remember who bought it and where it went? The sale went to a speculator who then flipped the supply to a foreign distributor who paid a higher price than the American market. None of the gas even made it into the American supply lines. Simply brilliant, eh?
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Bush holds hands with Saudi dictators, while U.S. soldiers have to do without proper equipment, getting killed as a result of our government's reluctance to back alternative means of energy.
It's been 25 years since Oil crisis created by the disastrous Carter administration and people STILL want big cars. That's where the demand is so that is what the smart market will produce. The government cannot compel a mfgr to produce goods that the market won't sell. REALIZATION: The government does not produce anything! It will not build the technology you are referring to. It will have to come from the private sector. If the government does anything, it will enable the private sector to receive subsidies to produce said technology. Who will likely produce it? Haliburton? You're guess is as good as mine, but either way, you'd probably complain about it, too.
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Bush vacations for weeks on end, intent on living his life, while soldiers barely out of their teens come home paralyzed for the rest of their lives, lucky if they get their share of the govt. cheese. Are you including these brave men when you talk about social parasites?
Uhhh...you folks think the man is the devil and you want him BACK at the White House? OK.
besides, Bush has not been sitting around, he's been meeting with world leaders and achieving several different objectives all from his ranch. Can you name the prominent individual that Bush was in contact with the first week of his vacation? Can you name what was accomplished? It was all over the news, if you can't, then the rock you live under must be incredibly dark and slimy.
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When did white become black for you? When will you snap out of your unconscious state and realize that the freedoms that we American's once took for granted have slowly disappeared?
Like the eminent domain ruling from 5 liberal justices? Heaven forbid we should ever permit another on the court. yes, we are quite aware of it, how 'bout you?
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It seems that many people like you could care less about what our founding fathers believed in.
Well, if electing strict Constitutionalists to public office isn't enough to convince you, I think you're beyond help. I mean, what do rats have to offer other than pure Marxism?
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And when we finally become a total police state, with our former freedoms a topic that we can only whisper to each other about, perhaps then you'll understand why so many people fear Bush and his corporate puppet masters.
This is the part where I decide that you are nuts, none of this is getting through and you are beyond reason and help.
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Yes, I know I'm rambling, but I'm not sitting around waiting for a govt, check, nor do I know anyone who is. Mentally I'm as sound, perhaps more, than you. I only hope you wake up soon.
Glad I'm not subsidizing you. Have a nice day.
It's probably a school thing. Instead of having meaningful experiences that help to form his views, he's taken away from his natural environment and dropped off in a regimented institution to be incubated and drilled for years on end. Either that, or he's been through it already and hasn't gotten over it (yet?).
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Bingo on all points.
I agree with every word of your thoughtful message to Ringo.
The only thing I would add is that wars are fought with tactics and strategy. Strategically, taking the fight into Iraq makes perfect sense.
Ringo did make a "courteous response to the flames" and he bases that response on 21 years of life experience....he has time to change his mind. There are an awful lot of us who voted for Jimmy Carter & lived to regret it.
grandma mac
Thank you for posting your thoughts and questions and trying to elevate the level of discourse.
You've actually provoked some thoughtful and cogent answers, among all the flak.
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