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Judge rules Confederate letters are state property
The Charlotte Observer ^ | Aug. 17, 2005 | AMY GEIER EDGAR

Posted on 08/17/2005 11:45:31 AM PDT by Between the Lines

COLUMBIA - A judge has ruled that a collection of rare, Civil War-era letters belong to South Carolina rather than the man who has had them in his family for generations.

The state sued after Charleston resident Thomas Willcox tried to auction off the letters. Willcox, a descendant of Confederate Gen. Evander Law, filed for bankruptcy soon after.

The collection includes more than 440 letters detailing life in South Carolina between 1861 and 1863.

Many letters are correspondence between generals or the Confederate government and S.C. Govs. Francis Pickens and Milledge Bonham during the Civil War. Three are written by Gen. Robert E. Lee.

Other letters are from residents asking for help defending their communities or for the return of their slaves, who were taken from plantations to help build fortifications. Some letters provide gory details on the realities of war.

U.S. Bankruptcy Judge John Waites issued an order Monday stating that the letters deal with the official duties of the governor and therefore are public records.

A large portion of the letters relate to the governor's military duties, Waites said in the ruling.

"These include information relating to military supplies and shortages, military preparations, the strength and condition of the military, documentation of troop movement, accounts and reports on results of certain battles, and use of funds for military purposes," Waites wrote.

Other provisions enacted during the period are mentioned in the letters, Waites said.

In 1861, the governor was authorized to issue bonds or stock in the name of the state to continue the construction of the new Statehouse. One letter, dated June 7, 1861, from Gov. Pickens to the president of the Bank of South Carolina deals with work on the capitol and the sale of state stock, the judge wrote.

Many of the letters have markings on them consistent with the docketing system of the day.

"Such a docketing system appears to indicate an intent to preserve the document as relating to the public office," Waites said.

State Attorney General Henry McMaster said it was important for the state to get the letters back because they represent "a unique historic and turbulent period in our country and state."

"We must do all we can to preserve the rich history and proud heritage of our state."

The letters will provide a link to the past for researchers, historians and students, said Rodger Stroup, director of the state Department of Archives and History.

"We owe a debt of gratitude to the Willcox family for preserving the documents all these years," McMaster said.

Willcox's attorney, Kenneth Krawcheck, said he learned of the ruling Tuesday and had not had time to examine it.

"We're going to review it in detail and then determine if we need to file an appeal," he said.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: billofrights; civilwar; constitutionlist; dixie; govtheft; govwatch; kelo; letters; libertarians; neoconfederate; privateproperty; southcarolina
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To: HEY4QDEMS

doctrine of latches? too much time has passed.

Content may be public information but the actual "papers" should go to the trustee for sale.


41 posted on 08/17/2005 12:20:44 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Between the Lines
Didn't the South go to war over this exact kind of tyranny to begin with? Jeez, come on, people. At least break out the tar and feathers.
42 posted on 08/17/2005 12:21:21 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Between the Lines
The papers have an estimated value of $2.4 million. ref
43 posted on 08/17/2005 12:21:33 PM PDT by rit
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To: Vicomte13

Oh, so it only depends on who you cheat.


44 posted on 08/17/2005 12:21:38 PM PDT by Old Professer (As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
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To: rit

Where is the bankrupcy trustee?

Who is the lawyer who let this man with that type of an asset file for bankruptcy?


45 posted on 08/17/2005 12:25:13 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Between the Lines
This is unbelievable! My grandmother sold a lot of Civil War letters and memorabilia after an unscrupulous stock broker churned her retirement account down to nothing(he then committed suicide). My grandfather's father was a captain in the NY unit, known as Seward's Pets, in charge of recruiting. I have only one letter remaining, written from New Berne(his spelling), NC. The letter tells of witnessing several executions for desertion and the signing of his first Negro recruit.
46 posted on 08/17/2005 12:25:53 PM PDT by Eva
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To: liberty2004
This poor guy should have moved out of the state

That didn't help the yankees who had the stolen documents from North Carolina.

47 posted on 08/17/2005 12:26:35 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: PAR35

The poor guy should sue his bankruptcy attorney.


48 posted on 08/17/2005 12:31:42 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Between the Lines

Thats funny, I thought the confederate goverment was an illegitimate goverment which would or should negate the ownership by the state government of SC which I thought was part of this illegitimate government.


49 posted on 08/17/2005 12:33:47 PM PDT by Always Independent
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To: HEY4QDEMS

They'll probably claim they were stolen property and he should feel lucky they are not going to prosecute him for trying to fence stolen property, therefore no "storage fees" or "preservation fees"..........


50 posted on 08/17/2005 12:37:37 PM PDT by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? GOOOOGLE your own name. Want to have fun? GOOOOGLE your neighbor's......)
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To: Between the Lines
This article raises more questions than it answers, the primary question being 'how did he or his predecessors come into original possession of these letters?'
51 posted on 08/17/2005 12:40:10 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: Old Professer

Yep! Finders keepers, losers weepers.


52 posted on 08/17/2005 12:51:55 PM PDT by HuronMan
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To: xcamel

Dang. Then maybe I shouldn't let them know I have two papers dated Sept. 2nd, 1779. The most beautiful script I have ever seen.


53 posted on 08/17/2005 1:06:16 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Between the Lines

There's an old saying - "possession is nine-tenths of the law" - that comes to mind here. If these documents were in the family's possession for generations, how can the state claim they are official documents? Wouldn't they have to provide evidence that the documents were obtained in an illegitimate manner? Governments throw out thousands of documents on a daily basis; after the mandatory archival period expires, the vast majority are shredded and thrown away. These were not "historical documents" at the time they were created; they were routine correspondence of the sort that is normally not even archived. I think we're seeing a daylight robbery here. I think the state failed to prove rightful ownership of the documents; the "chain of evidence" has long since vanishhed.


54 posted on 08/17/2005 1:20:19 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Between the Lines; All
"The state sued after Charleston resident Thomas Willcox tried to auction off the letters. Willcox, a descendant of Confederate Gen. Evander Law, filed for bankruptcy soon after."

"Many letters are correspondence between generals or the Confederate government and S.C. Govs. Francis Pickens and Milledge Bonham during the Civil War. Three are written by Gen. Robert E. Lee."

IMHO, the State of South Carolina, USA, is a wholly different entity than the Confederate State of South Carolina which was defeated, unfortunately, in the WAR of Northern Aggression, hence disallowing any claim the present State of South Carolina would have on the documents produced by the previous State. If they are going to seize his family's personal property, he has the right to charge the state for the 'historical care-taking' of such valuable docs. His family should be paid the value of the docs as well as the accumulated labor, w/ compounded interest on those sums. I am from SC and a Cid Grad '91 and this action of my home state disgusts me to no end. Lets get this man PAID!

Deets
55 posted on 08/17/2005 1:21:05 PM PDT by ebiskit (South Park Republican)
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To: TR Jeffersonian

Confederate ping


56 posted on 08/17/2005 1:22:55 PM PDT by kalee
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To: freepatriot32

BTTT!!!!!!!


57 posted on 08/17/2005 1:25:45 PM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Always Independent
"Thats funny, I thought the confederate goverment was an illegitimate goverment which would or should negate the ownership by the state government of SC which I thought was part of this illegitimate government."

The argument would probably be that the "confederate government" was the Southern government as a whole, not the governments of the individual states, which - as far as I know - maintained continuity throughout their history. When Alabama - for example - joined the Confederacy - I don't think the state government of Alabama was reconstituted. But you raise an interesting point. Perhaps the act of secession was in fact considered to mark a breach of continuity in the legitimacy of the individual state governments.
58 posted on 08/17/2005 1:25:47 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: BostonianRightist

I agree with that. The former state was part of another government that no longer exists. It was a legitmate government unto itself.


59 posted on 08/17/2005 1:26:49 PM PDT by auntyfemenist (Show me your papers...)
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To: Between the Lines
U.S. Bankruptcy Judge John Waites issued an order Monday stating that the letters deal with the official duties of the governor and therefore are public records.

...of a government that either doesn't exist any more or never existed legally (depending on your view of the WBTS). How can Confederate records always within private hands be the property of the U.S.?

60 posted on 08/17/2005 1:31:50 PM PDT by LexBaird (tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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