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Millennial Mistake Jamie Gorelick’s dangerous “wall of separation.”
National Review Online ^ | April 15, 2004 | Mark Levin

Posted on 08/11/2005 3:20:03 AM PDT by YaYa123

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To: backhoe

thank you for your links at # 57


61 posted on 08/11/2005 5:00:36 AM PDT by YaYa123 (@Daschle & Gebhardt Put Gorelick On The 9-11 commission.com)
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To: ballplayer
When the Hildabeast gets elected, Jaime Garlic is going to be Attorney General.......

And General Weasely Clark will be Secretary of Defense.

And Fox News makes Clark (who is right out of Dr. Strangelove central casting) a household name by naming him a "Fox contibutor".

Thanks, Roger Ailes....ALL your ideas aren't so bright.

Leni

62 posted on 08/11/2005 5:01:21 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: GoBucks2002

"Don't expect the spineless, gutless, ball-less Republican "leadership" to investigate any of this".

The House REPUBLICANS have had several investigations underway for weeks. Weldon expressed this fact several times, during many interviews.

LLS


63 posted on 08/11/2005 5:01:42 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: ZULU
I guess Ashcroft doesn't think blowhard Tom Kean's remark that people should just "BUTT OUT" should be obeyed.

Not only that, but Ashcroft's boss was very upset with Ashcroft confronting Gorelick in the hearings. Ashcroft's boss even made a public statement criticizing the AG.

Ashcroft got no support, not even from He-who-demands-loyalty. Ashcroft was hung out to dry.

How many of these scandals and leaks and thefts involving have resulted in ANY prosecution of a government official? None. How many have resulted in ANY government official losing his/her job? None. The dereliction of duty may fall on previous administrations, but it also is the responsibility of the current administration, who seems 'uninterested' in pursuing charges.

Martha Stewart served more prison time than ANY of those who were complicit in neglecting national security.
64 posted on 08/11/2005 5:03:02 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: YaYa123

This might explain why the "wall" was erected.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13516


65 posted on 08/11/2005 5:06:24 AM PDT by UglyinLA
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To: GoBucks2002

I think I heard on Fox that they're having staffers retrieve their notes for inspection. Which of course gives them (especially Gorelick's IMO) plenty of time to pitch anything incriminating they missed the first time around.


66 posted on 08/11/2005 5:09:40 AM PDT by maryz
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To: YaYa123
No. The documents that Berger took and destroyed were "copies" that were sent to staff personnel and then returned with comments and possibly individual annotations, thus making them "originals". Berger could have easily eliminated incriminating evidence when he destroyed them...

Mission accomplished, covered complete.

And Berger then gets off with a hand slap...

Gorelick and other Clintonistas get assigned to the 9/11 commission and co-op the report by suppressing intel that indicates info was available (like the SOCOM reports).

This needs to be investigated by someone with the authority to take sworn testimony.

You can bet that Conyers and company will not be setting up their cafeteria tables in the Capitol basement to hold "hearings" on this one.
67 posted on 08/11/2005 5:10:14 AM PDT by RedEyeJack
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To: maryz

They need to have everyone placed under oath and testify. Then see who's willing to commit perjury and who's not.


68 posted on 08/11/2005 5:10:59 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: RedEyeJack

Berger could've added as well as subtracted.


69 posted on 08/11/2005 5:11:25 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: YaYa123

You bet- regards!


70 posted on 08/11/2005 5:11:53 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: UglyinLA

I'm posting this one! thanks mucho!!!! GREAT article!!!


71 posted on 08/11/2005 5:12:47 AM PDT by YaYa123 (@Daschle & Gebhardt Put Gorelick On The 9-11 commission.com)
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To: GoBucks2002
Don't expect the spineless, gutless, ball-less Republican "leadership" to investigate any of this.

In the game of connect-the-dots, too many dots connect to years of failures of Congressional (both parties) head-in-the-sand and Executive administrationS (both parties) playing patty-cake.

Too many 'Sargeant Schultzes' have served on national security committees and in the Oval Office.

[Schultz = I know nothing, I see nothing, I hear nothing.]

The current admin should be trying to clean up the mess. Instead, they, too, are busy trying to sweap it all under the carpet by not prosecuting and firing those responsible. Connect-the-dots connects to many dots politicans, both current and previous, both Democrat and Republican, both Congressional and Presidential, would rather remain obscure.
72 posted on 08/11/2005 5:15:33 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

Does the string to unravel this thing go all the way back to those raw FBI files Hillary has? Is that why everyone saw no evil, spoke no evil, heard no evil?


73 posted on 08/11/2005 5:16:50 AM PDT by hershey
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To: YaYa123

It's about time that Atty. Gen'l. Gonzalez and the Justice Dep't. conduct a full investigation into Jamie Garelick's role prior to and after 9/11. This woman probably did more to assist the 9/11 bombers than anyone else.


74 posted on 08/11/2005 5:17:43 AM PDT by KenmcG414
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To: oldironsides

Isn't it amazing the usual suspects' names turn up again and again, wherever there's Clinton stupidity, cupidity, and high crimes. Why are the republicans so timid about exposing this mess?


75 posted on 08/11/2005 5:19:55 AM PDT by hershey
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To: hershey
Does the string to unravel this thing go all the way back to those raw FBI files Hillary has? Is that why everyone saw no evil, spoke no evil, heard no evil?

I think the string goes back even further--and politicians spend half their careers covering for each other in the Good Ole Fellows Club.

The string goes even as far as the Carter years. However, more recent years and dots I find interesting include this: GWHB was President in Gulf War I. After that war many former Iraqi military were given special entrance into the USA. Tim McVey seeming was seen with a friend with a dark tan and that friend was not Nichols. Several covered up documents/files, per Jayne Davis who has researched the Murrah Building bombing extensively, point to strong Middle Eastern, probably Iraqi, connections. Who let the former Iraqi military into the USA? So the string continues through the 90s and to the son of the father who let the former Iraqi military into the USA. And that is just one thread of this thick string. Another thread has Gorelick very possibly as the Washington official who told the FBI to back off investigating any 'foreign' connection to Murrah and look for 'two white guys in a white van'. Why are some 27 videos of the moments before the Murrah explosion still 'archived' in the depths of the FBI basement? None have ever made it to public view. Why not? Clinton admin didn't want Murrah revealed as having foreign connections because that would show additional incompetence of Clinton on National Security. The Bush admin isn't interested because that thread could lead right back to Daddy Bush giving former Iraqi military special entry into the country.

That those threads and string weave a tapestry of deceptions, lies, incompetence, etc., on so many levels, so many years, so many politicians. We will never know the full truth. Maybe a century from now historians will unearth the truth, but we, the living now, will never know the full story that lead up to 9-11.
76 posted on 08/11/2005 5:35:07 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: YaYa123

Able Danger, the 9/11 Commission & the Strange (But Now Explainable) Actions of Sandy Berger

By Sean Osborne, Senior Analyst & Military Affairs Expert

& Douglas J. Hagmann,Director

10 August 2005: Hey America… do you remember the strange actions of President Clinton’s national security adviser Sandy Berger during the 9/11 Commission investigation when he removed highly classified terrorism documents that should have been turned over to that independent commission? Did you ever wonder what Berger was attempting to hide and even more importantly, why? Did you also wonder why, even though he committed a felony, he received nothing more than a slap on the wrist while various political and intelligence officials played down his actions, wanting them to disappear as quickly as possible? It appears that we just might have discovered the answers to these and other troubling questions: Able Danger.

Able Danger is the code name of a secret team of U.S. Army military intelligence operatives created in 1999 under a directive signed by General Henry H. Shelton, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, to assemble information about al Qaeda networks around the world. In mid-2000, the Able Danger team discovered the existence of the key 9/11 terror cell of Mohammed Atta, Marwan al-Shehhi, Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawar al-Hamzi inside the U.S. and recommended to their military superiors that the FBI be called in to “take out that cell,” according to Representative Curt Weldon, the Pennsylvania House member and vice chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. That information was presented in the summer of 2000 in the form of a chart complete with photographs of the terrorists to the Pentagon's Special Operations Command headquarters in Tampa, Florida. Our intelligence was dead-on accurate, but was not acted upon a full year before the 9/11 attacks.

In fact, Representative Weldon said Able Danger members had recommended that the information they uncovered be shared with the FBI, but the idea was rejected and they “were directed to take those 3M yellow stickers and place them over the faces of Atta and the other terrorists and pretend they didn’t exist.”

Despite the findings of Able Danger, absolutely no action was pursued to take out the cell during the weeks leading up to the 2000 presidential election, said Weldon. The reason? Mohammed Atta possessed a “green card” at the time. Under the rules of the Clinton Justice Department, lawyers working for Special Operations decided that anyone holding a green card had to be granted essentially the same legal protections as any U.S. citizen. They did not want to recommend that the FBI go after someone holding a green card, Weldon told his House colleagues on June 27, 2005 during a speech, known as a “special order,” which he delivered on the House floor. Defense Department lawyers were also said to be reluctant to suggest a bold action by FBI agents after the bureau’s disastrous 1993 strike against the Branch Davidian religious cult in Waco, Texas.


Read Curt Weldon’s June 27, 2005 Testimony
This week, Representative Weldon and a former defense intelligence official said they had spoken with three Able Danger team members, all still working in the government, including two in the military, and that they were consistent in asserting that Mohammed Atta's affiliation with a Qaeda terrorism cell in the United States was known within the Defense Department by mid-2000 but was not acted upon. Further and after the fact, the 9-11 Commission was reportedly never told about Able Danger or its findings.

Enter Sandy Berger – During the 9/11 Commission

While the investigation by the 9/11 Commission was in progress, Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger, who served as Clinton's national security adviser for all of President's Clinton’s second term, was caught removing documents from the national Archives – the very same documents that should have been turned over to the independent commission probing the September 11, 2001, terror attacks. Berger ultimately admitted to intentionally taking and destroying various classified documents relating to terrorism collected under the Clinton administration. Berger and his lawyer said on July 19, 2004 that he knowingly removed the handwritten notes by placing them in his jacket, pants and socks, and also “inadvertently” took copies of actual classified documents in a leather portfolio. Those documents reportedly included an assessment of America's terror vulnerabilities at airports, something very relevant to Able Danger’s findings and key to the 9/11 attacks. What Sandy Berger did was a felony, yet was allowed a generous plea agreement of a fine and a three-year suspension of his security clearance.

Under the prism of Able Danger, we are now able to make sense out of the previously curious actions of Sandy Berger.

Able Danger & the Saga of the 9/11 Commission; Warren Commission Redux

According to Weldon, staff members of the 9/11 Commission were briefed on the findings of the Able Danger intelligence unit within the Special Operations Command and about the specific recommendation to break up the Mohammed Atta cell, yet those members reportedly decided not to brief the commission’s members on those matters. Why not?

Clearer now is the conflict of interest of having Jamie Gorelick, the Assistant Attorney General under Bill Clinton serving on the 9/11 Commission. Ms. Gorelick worked directly for Janet Reno and was directly involved in matters that were under review by the 9/11 Commission.

Remember the reason the findings of Able Danger were not acted upon? In his testimony before the 9/11 Commission, Attorney General John Ashcroft stated the following:


"In 1995, the Justice Department embraced flawed legal reasoning, imposing a series of restrictions on the FBI that went beyond what the law required," he said. "The 1995 Guidelines and the procedures developed around them imposed draconian barriers to communications between the law enforcement and intelligence communities. The wall left intelligence agents afraid to talk with criminal prosecutors or agents. In 1995, the Justice Department designed a system destined to fail."
Continuing his testimony, Ashcroft stated:


"Somebody built this wall.” Ashcroft added: "The basic architecture for the wall . . . was contained in a classified memorandum entitled 'Instructions on Separation of Certain Foreign Counterintelligence and Criminal Investigations. Full disclosure compels me to inform you that its author is a member of this Commission."
Ashcroft was referring to Jamie Gorelick, who served as Deputy Attorney General in the Clinton Administration as well as general counsel at the Department of Defense. Both jobs put her at the very center of the former administration's anti-terrorism efforts. Consequently, her actions, as well as those of her superiors, were the subject of review by the very commission on which she is a member. Most assuredly, that is a huge conflict of interest. In her position at the Justice Department, Gorelick wrote a memo that provides a picture of the role she played setting policy for intelligence gathering and sharing during the Clinton Administration. The memo stemmed from the Justice Department's prosecution of the 1993 terrorist attack on the World Trade Center.

Gorelick wrote in 1995:


“During the course of those investigations, significant counterintelligence information has been developed related to the activities and plans of agents of foreign powers operating in this country and overseas, including previously unknown connections between separate terrorist groups." We believe that it is prudent to establish a set of instructions that will clearly separate the counterintelligence investigation from the more limited, but continued, criminal investigations. These procedures, which go beyond what is legally required, will prevent any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance that FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) is being used to avoid procedural safeguards which would apply in a criminal investigation."
And therein is the framework for the legal conundrum faced by Able Danger, and why Atta and his minions were free to hijack 4 airliners on 9/11.


77 posted on 08/11/2005 5:37:25 AM PDT by conservativecorner (It's a cult of death and submission to fanatics Larry!!)
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To: Darkwolf377

It feels as if we're in a new phase now. The breathing space -- if waging war in Afghanistan and Iraq qualifies as breathing space -- since 9/11, that profound sense of shock and necessary reallignment, everything we've been through...has passed...and we see things clearly. PC thinking is finally losing a grip on the national will. (GW's reelection, the collapse of the MSM, London bombings, and al Qaeda tapes with Aussie-speaking masked terrorists threatening us had a definite effect. If London cops profile terrorist suspects, so can we.) We haven't been able or wanted to face the truth of who knew what and why, etc., before 9/11. Now that's over and we want the truth.

This is just the feeling I get here in eastern MA. The idiots, soccer moms, will continue to yawn and say who cares...unless a terrorist hits a US school. And I have to say that school security in my area has dropped to previous levels of call the cops if something happens.


78 posted on 08/11/2005 5:38:52 AM PDT by hershey
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To: KenmcG414
"It's about time that Atty. Gen'l. Gonzalez and the Justice Dep't. conduct a full investigation into Jamie Garelick's role prior to and after 9/11. This woman probably did more to assist the 9/11 bombers than anyone else."

Berger spilled the beans on this one..Able Danger..Gorelick and Reno two dykes caused the 9/11 deaths as much as OBL. Will the Elites go after them NO. The Elites protect each other Wash DC is one big club..with many Repubs going along to get along..If we see any result of the disastrous ignoring of Able Danger I will be greatly surprised..We conservative must find men and women who will not get sucked into the Wash DC club system..VOTE OUT THE RINO's and collaborators who enable the Dems to continue to subvert our Constitution and our Armed Forces.
79 posted on 08/11/2005 5:42:33 AM PDT by ConsentofGoverned (A sucker is born every minute..what are the voters?)
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To: mewzilla

Dare we hope that although the mills of God grind slowly, they also grind exceedingly fine where Sandy B. is concerned? Oh, Please!!!


80 posted on 08/11/2005 5:43:40 AM PDT by hershey
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