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Primary seen as test of GOP core: Randall Terry-Jim King race
Florida Times-Union ^ | July 31, 2005 | J. TAYLOR RUSHING

Posted on 07/31/2005 12:01:52 PM PDT by eartotheground

The First Coast's 2006 state Senate primary between Jim King and Randall Terry is 15 months away, but fast becoming a bellwether race. At the very least, there is increasing national interest in how such a conservative core of the state defines conservatism, how powerful the religious side of the party continues to be and how big of a tent has been built by the GOP.

Former Environmental Protection Agency Administrator and New Jersey Gov. Christine Todd Whitman is among the national figures diving into the debate.

"This is precisely the type of race I'm interested in, because it's a good, moderate incumbent who's not in trouble with the electorate but from people who say he's not Republican enough," said Whitman, who has offered King campaigning and fund-raising help.

"I don't think my race is going to define the Republican Party, but conceptually that's the right track," Terry said. "To me, the question is if the party is going to be the party of Ronald Reagan or Christine Todd Whitman. Those are not the same party."

King in recent years he has played key roles in major debates among Florida Republicans that may have divided the support beneath him. In 2003, while Senate president, he led a chamber that bucked Gov. Jeb Bush by refusing to support any medical malpractice lawsuit cap beneath $500,000. The result was a summer-long political stalemate and still-simmering debate about fiscal conservatism.

A second wound came this past spring during the Schiavo episode.

Former state party Chairman Tom Slade of Jacksonville said King's gains for Northeast Florida are more than long enough to overcome lingering resentment.

Slade said. "If that wild-eyed nut can beat him I'll be shocked, disappointed and wondering if this is a party I want to identify with."

(Excerpt) Read more at jacksonville.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: abortion; conservative; gopprimary; jimking; malpractice; radallterry; righttodeath; righttolife; rino; terrischiavo; triallawyers
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To: floriduh voter

bttt


41 posted on 08/04/2005 10:18:11 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: newsgatherer
...she is dead because none of the men in her family had the $&&@s to stand up and fight for her. The rinos deserve to be treated with contempt, but the men in her family are beneath contempt.

That's one of the more ignorant statements I've seen in these parts.

You suppose they should have taken on the cops armed with guns and tasers with their bare hands? The K-9 dogs? The SWAT team?

In fact, Robert and Bobby Schindler are two of the finest men on the planet.

They dealt with pressures and pain that would have driven lesser mortals mad...and they always did it with wisdom and grace and restraint.

42 posted on 08/04/2005 10:25:22 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Freedom and Islam are utterly incompatible...)
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To: bill1952
His adherents have murdered providers

'Providers'?

'Providers' of what, pray tell?

Lollipops and ice cream?

Your use of the language tells me everything I need to know about you.

Those who have helped empower the deaths of tens of millions of innocent preborn Americans don't have much right to stand in judgment of murderers in general, to my way of thinking.

43 posted on 08/04/2005 10:32:06 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Freedom and Islam are utterly incompatible...)
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To: EternalVigilance; papertyger

Do you think it's OK to kill abortion clinic personnel?


44 posted on 08/04/2005 12:02:02 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: floriduh voter

Sorry friend, you can give them a pass, but, I can not and will not. Terri is dead because none of her male kin would stand up and risk life or a bit of jail time to rescue her.


45 posted on 08/04/2005 12:56:10 PM PDT by newsgatherer
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To: William Creel
"I don't like Terry, nor do I like King. Terry is nothing more then an attention whore, and King is just a weasly, weak neaked Republican."

You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! Well said.

46 posted on 08/04/2005 12:56:22 PM PDT by TAdams8591
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To: EternalVigilance
That's one of the more ignorant statements I've seen in these parts.

And I would have to say that your position is one of the most despicable cowardly positons I could imagine, if you think Terri's kin are fine men, than I can only guess at the type of men you associate with.

47 posted on 08/04/2005 12:58:12 PM PDT by newsgatherer
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To: EveningStar; EternalVigilance
Do you think it's OK to kill abortion clinic personnel?

Why, are you that guy I keep hearing about that's been trying to recruit people to kill abortion clinic personnel out in California?

Get lost you loon!

48 posted on 08/04/2005 12:58:58 PM PDT by papertyger (Power concedes nothing without a demand. – Frederick Douglass)
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To: eartotheground
Whitman, who has offered King campaigning and fund-raising help.

Yes, connecting him with her will really help him out in Florida.

49 posted on 08/04/2005 1:00:06 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: eartotheground

We have a raving nutcase vs. a RINO, not a very good choice.


50 posted on 08/04/2005 1:01:01 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: eartotheground

whitman
that schlep is one of the reasons we do not have 56 Rs in the Senate. SHe appointed some Dems to judicial posts that ruled against the Forrester team when the Torch had to pull out of the Race in NJ. @#$%
she can bite me


51 posted on 08/04/2005 1:03:13 PM PDT by DM1
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To: papertyger

Cute. I was asking you and EV if you were.


52 posted on 08/04/2005 1:06:41 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: bill1952
I am no fan of Randell Terry, as his methods were disasterous to the pro-life cause and he led many people into financial ruin. With that kind of abysmal record he deserves no leadership position and shouldn't even run for dog catcher in my book.

That said, that he fostered violence against abortionists, and that his "adherents" have murdered, is the worst sort of exaggeration and hype, a vicious lie, and an utter disgrace.

You should be ashamed.

53 posted on 08/04/2005 1:11:42 PM PDT by TAdams8591
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To: newsgatherer

With all the law enforcement surrounding Terri and the hospice, even if her male kinfolk had attempted to rescue her, they would be sitting in jail and Terri would still be dead. It was a mission impossible that to be sucessful would have required several "A" teams and all the comic book super heroes combined.


54 posted on 08/04/2005 1:19:11 PM PDT by TAdams8591
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To: Regulator
"And one look at Jim King's picture and bio was enough to send up all my flags: the guy is a slimy opportunist weasel whose biography reeks of flim-flam operations.

The only reason he's a "Republican" is that's the dominant party in Florida now. Thirty years ago, the guy was a Democrat, no doubt about it.

He's cheap scum who couldn't have cared less about a woman's life - especially if it got in the way of money for his buddies."

You couldn't be more correct about FATBOY Jim King. A viable candidate would have made KING sweat. Unfortunately, Randall Terry is NOT that candidate.

55 posted on 08/04/2005 1:24:27 PM PDT by TAdams8591
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To: floriduh voter
You condemn the pro-life movement with a broad brush.

Oh no, I don't and you better review those relevant posts.

Nowhere did I paint the entire pro life movement and you should apologize for writing that.

As far as Operation Rescue, that was one degree from Murder, Inc. A fitting target for the RICO action that followed Randell.

As someone who lived very near his National; headquarters and the targets of his actions that I passed every day, I can say that his actions were repugnant to most decent people.

Cameras & videos of people going in, those people subjected then to endless harassing phone calls and even protesters showing up on their private property with bullhorns was worthy of scorn.

Sorry guy, that was disgraceful.

In addition, all those "Wanted Dead or Alive" posters with the doctor's name, phone, and address on them was, and was intended to be, an incitement to outright violence.

And cold blooded murder in his name was the result.
More than once.

If that's your idea of "pro life" then count me out and gone. People like him, although they are staunchly pro life, are a dead weight dragging down the Republican party.

This isn't about King, it's about Terry, and as far as I'm concerned, he should be in prison, even if he did preach violence to further your aims.
56 posted on 08/04/2005 1:35:54 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: bill1952
In the 30 years since abortion has been legal in the United States, 40 million human lives have been taken by abortionists. Perhaps a dozen abortionists at most have been killed by anti-abortion extremists. That is a kill ratio of over 3 million to one in favor of the abortionists.

It is, and was, wrong for anti-abortion extremists to take justice into their own hands even if the state and Federal governments permit abortion. However, shed no tears for the abortionists. They are as despicable as Al Capone, Sam Giancana, or any other gangster you can name, and perhaps more so. The Mafia and other organized crime groups killed possibly 20,000 people in the last 100 years or so. The abortionists' killing makes the gangsters look like Mahatma Gandhi or Mother Teresa.

57 posted on 08/04/2005 1:49:28 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: newsgatherer
And I would have to say that your position is one of the most despicable cowardly positons I could imagine, if you think Terri's kin are fine men, than I can only guess at the type of men you associate with.

You're clearly saying that because they didn't take armed action against the assembled armed might of our government, they are despicable cowards.

And I say that you're nuts.

58 posted on 08/04/2005 2:16:47 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Freedom and Islam are utterly incompatible...)
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To: Wallace T.; All

Do you notice that on this one thread, we have pro-lifers being accused of being violent lawbreakers at the very same time as they are being accused of being cowards for not violently opposing the dealers of death?

I would be amazed if I wasn't so accustomed to the hypocrisy of the ghouls.

Your comments were excellent.


59 posted on 08/04/2005 2:21:44 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Freedom and Islam are utterly incompatible...)
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To: EternalVigilance

Sounds to me like some of these tools have a much more 'personal' experience with Operation Rescue than just "driving by."


60 posted on 08/04/2005 2:26:14 PM PDT by papertyger (Power concedes nothing without a demand. – Frederick Douglass)
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