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French Family Values WHY THE FRENCH ARE BETTER THAN WE ARE
The New York Times ^ | July 29, 2005 | PAUL KRUGMAN

Posted on 07/29/2005 11:28:03 PM PDT by Cincinna

Americans tend to believe that we do everything better than anyone else. That belief makes it hard for us to learn from others. For example, I've found that many people refuse to believe that Europe has anything to teach us about health care policy. After all, they say, how can Europeans be good at health care when their economies are such failures?

Now, there's no reason a country can't have both an excellent health care system and a troubled economy (or vice versa). But are European economies really doing that badly?

The answer is no. Americans are doing a lot of strutting these days, but a head-to-head comparison between the economies of the United States and Europe - France, in particular - shows that the big difference is in priorities, not performance. We're talking about two highly productive societies that have made a different tradeoff between work and family time. And there's a lot to be said for the French choice.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: americahaters; bushhaters; cary; falsetitle; fixthetitle; france; frogs; krugman; mediabias; nannystate; propaganda; sorelosers; surrendermonkeys; unnecessaryexcerpt; welfarestate
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To: Prime Choice

Hey. I LIKE Jerry Lewis and yes, I do find him funny. Just because the Frenchies like him doesn't mean we have to knock him down.


41 posted on 07/30/2005 3:06:47 AM PDT by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: Cronos

...what the hell is funny about Jerry Lewis?...If I might ask?


42 posted on 07/30/2005 3:21:42 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: CWOJackson
Has Paul Krugman ever been right about anything?
43 posted on 07/30/2005 3:24:57 AM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: Cincinna

france, home to unclean ladies and men who have no balls.


44 posted on 07/30/2005 3:35:13 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: Cincinna

Anytime Enron-Advisor Krugman starts (continues) giving economic advice you are counselled to turn up the BS filter to maximum. This loon is nearly lethal when allowed near a keyboard. You are warned.


45 posted on 07/30/2005 3:35:53 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: bozot
"You can not see even remotely similar rethorics from france. So.... come on.... let's se who hates who more?"

If you do not see "even remotely similar rethorics(?)" from france, then you need to start looking in a new place.

I've been there (for business, not by choice) and in France you would not have to look too far or too long to see "remotely similar rethorics".

46 posted on 07/30/2005 3:36:44 AM PDT by libs_kma (USA: The land of the Free....Because of the Brave!)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)
"Krugman's moronic drivel makes Maureen Dowd drunken rants look reasonable and level-headed by comparison."

Dowd-mention? I'm sorry but I assume you know the rules. Where are the CZJ pictures?

47 posted on 07/30/2005 3:38:36 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

I dunno, I adored his little sketchs to music and his spindly legged run and his daft Errand-boy and other movies. I think he was funny, not quite a slapstick as the Three stooges (which I detest), not quite as sublime as Yes Minister (adored that and most Britcomedies) but still funny


48 posted on 07/30/2005 3:40:23 AM PDT by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: bozot

I will agree with you. France is a fair target here and there is bias in that regard. However they did bring it on themselves with very poor political decisions.


49 posted on 07/30/2005 3:42:52 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rearview mirror.)
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To: Cronos

funny?..not....Peter Sellers...funny...."Does your dog bite?...No....I thought you said your dog does not bite?...that is not my dog.


50 posted on 07/30/2005 3:53:52 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: liberallarry

More drivel from your hero.


51 posted on 07/30/2005 4:42:13 AM PDT by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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To: Cincinna

The French national motto:

RETREAT!


52 posted on 07/30/2005 4:46:53 AM PDT by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: moose2004

Krugman is verbalizing one of his hallucinatory experiences here. Bad as the English medical system is - in practice, France's system is much worse.

Speaking from practical experience, I can say that the level of medical service in France is horrible. General Practice doctors must follow government mandates on the kind and amount of analysis and treatment they can perform for any one visit. Anyone who can possible afford it uses 'private' medical facilities rather than the state ones.


53 posted on 07/30/2005 5:59:01 AM PDT by NHResident
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To: Cincinna

On the list of things not to take seriously the New York Times and Paul Krugman might be one and two. They'd even be ahead of Baghdad Bob.


54 posted on 07/30/2005 6:00:53 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Cincinna
American conservatives despise European welfare states like France. Yet many of them stress the importance of "family values." And whatever else you may say about French economic policies, they seem extremely supportive of the family as an institution. Senator Rick Santorum, are you reading this?

Santorum, like most conservatives, believes that values originate and emanate from a family, hence the term "family values". Krugman, like most liberals, believes that values originate and emanate from the government. Why don't they just term them "government values"?

55 posted on 07/30/2005 6:31:19 AM PDT by randita
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To: Cincinna

"What is the use of "free" schools if they don't get you a job when you are done."

I was suprised to learn India is the country with the most colleges and look at their unemployment rate. I think it has to more do with their over population and not enough "paying" jobs(sweat shops and child labor) for master degrees and Ph.d's


56 posted on 07/30/2005 6:36:30 AM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: All

Thanks Paul!

Now tell me again how a country that had 2000 deaths during a heatwave a few years ago is better then us?

All I know is that at least here in the United States most people, even poor one have enough money and enough brain to have a fan.


57 posted on 07/30/2005 8:49:09 AM PDT by baystaterebel (F/8 and be there!)
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To: Cincinna

Never mentions the 12% unemployment rate in France.

It gives them more family time. (sarcasm off)


58 posted on 07/30/2005 8:55:11 AM PDT by rwa265
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To: Cincinna
So which society has made the better choice?

I don't want society to make my choices - I'll take care of that!!

And whatever else you may say about French economic policies, they seem extremely supportive of the family as an institution.

That's why 15000 of their elderly parents died during a heat wave a couple of years ago while the kids were vacationing.

I've come to the conclusion that Krugman is a moron.

59 posted on 07/30/2005 9:29:27 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: Cincinna

If we do things badly, we do them worde imiating the French: public school, feminism etc..

and good point there: What is the use of 7 weeks vacation if you have no money to use it?

Not to mention the stinginess and their glory of seeing others bleed to death of their savings or disease...this is the French healthcare for you. We are catching up with that very quickly, sadly.


60 posted on 07/30/2005 9:36:38 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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