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Posted on 07/25/2005 7:17:04 AM PDT by TexKat
I'm now leaning to this theory myself.
A caller to LKL's show last night got me started on this. The caller was talking about the female witness and her daughter who live in the new housing construction area, the ones who reported seeing the same car driving past 3 times, and the caller was implying that the occupants were scouting out a location where cement was to be poured soon.
I think they buried her someplace where either a basement or a garage floor was getting ready to be poured.
SCARBOROUGH: Now you're looking at exclusive video of an FBI reenactment that took place today after three new witnesses came forward with information that could possibly unlock the mystery of what happened to Natalee Holloway.
In a minute, we're going to be hearing from Natalee's dad, Dave, and also stepmom, Robin.
But, first, let's go to NBC Michelle Kosinski. She's, of course, in Aruba with the very latest.
Michelle, tell us about this new information, especially the one witness that stepped forward with possibly very helpful information in this investigation.
MICHELLE KOSINSKI, NBC CORRESPONDENT: All right.
We see the extraordinary reenactment happen this afternoon. FBI and local police have a chopper in the sky. They have the Kalpoe brothers' car parked in an area and this witness' car. This first witness who we're told came forward on Friday says that he was driving around the area near the Marriott Hotel and he spots the Kalpoe brothers, he says, with Joran Van Der Sloot in a car. He says this was about 3:00 a.m. the day Natalee Holloway vanished.
And this would be after the time the Kalpoe brothers said that they were already at home—Joe.
SCARBOROUGH: And, Michelle, this isn't just one witness that's come forward. I understand two others have come forward. What can you tell us about them and their stories?
KOSINSKI: Well, we have one who we're told has already talked to police who says he knows where on this island Natalee Holloway's body was placed. And then another witness, a woman, was identified today by the private investigator working for Natalee's family. She lives in the area right near where this reenactment happened, in fact.
And she says, maybe a couple days after Natalee disappeared, she sees a car fitting the description of the Kalpoes' car driving around repeatedly in that area, for whatever that is worth. But because of these witnesses, now we're going to see the volunteer searchers come back to this island as soon as possible with ground-penetrating radar. And they're going to search these two areas based on witnesses' statements.
Now, while this is going on, we see Natalee's mother today raise the reward for her safe return to a stunning level.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: We're going to be able to now raise the reward for the safe return of Natalee from $200,000 to $1 million. And we're just so hoping that, you know, any information that someone has or people just feel comfortable to please come forward. Still, the same applies as far as remaining anonymous.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KOSINSKI: She says that million dollars comes from donations from a group of friends in the United States—Joe.
SCARBOROUGH: And, Michelle, I understand that the reward money for Natalee's safe return may have come about because of a possible sighting or at least rumors of sightings. What did you hear from that press conference about that?
KOSINSKI: Well, we know right now there's no hard evidence of anything like that.
But there are rumors all over this island. Of course, there has been no sign of Natalee here. So, of course, people speculate maybe she was kidnapped. We know the family's private eye has also had investigators working for him down in Venezuela to that effect. And, keep in mind, right now, the family just wants to draw out any information it can.
SCARBOROUGH: Now, didn't—did—we're looking at a map right now to show where Aruba is in relation to Venezuela.
But Jug—Jug Twitty actually came out and talked about that possibility today, didn't he?
KOSINSKI: Yes, he did. He said that that's just another possibility that he wants to explore.
And the point of grief that the family is right now, they want to take any bit of information, any lead, any possibility they can, and use everything they can to fully explore it. We also got news today that four new investigators are on this case.
And here's what Jug told us today.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JUG TWITTY, STEPFATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: There's been rumors out there for, you know, many weeks, that we can't find her on the island here, that she's possibly in Venezuela, Curacao, all these places. And, hopefully, this will help. You know, if she's out there, if people have information, that they can help us, you know, find her, that they will come forward. And, as Beth says, it's all anonymous.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KOSINSKI: And four more investigators from Holland got on this case today. One of them is a behavioral analyst. And two others are interrogation specialists—Joe, back to you.
SCARBOROUGH: All right, Michelle, thanks so much for that report.
I tell you what. So long after Natalee has disappeared, so much starting to finally happen in this case.
Let's bring in Natalee's dad, Dave Holloway, and her stepmom, Robin.
Dave, remarkable, For as long as Natalee has been missing, for all of this activity to start happening, it sounds like things may be possibly moving in a direction where we can get some resolution in the case. What can you tell us about your reaction and the family's reaction to today's developments?
DAVE HOLLOWAY, FATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Well, the gardener, his statement puts them back near the north of the Marriott.
In fact, the racquet club is located less—well, probably a quarter-of-a-mile to a half-a-mile across the field from the Marriott. So, it's a short distance away. So, that kind of gives us an idea that whatever happened occurred near that area. So, it's like, where's the haystack? We can find—find the needle.
SCARBOROUGH: You know...
D. HOLLOWAY: The island is just too large to look everywhere.
SCARBOROUGH: You know, and, Dave, also, remarkable—again, these timelines. When you go through these investigations, you know, when you talk to prosecutors, they're always trying to do a timeline to figure out what happened that night. Apparently, this one witness coming forward with possibly hard information that says the Kalpoe brothers and Joran Van Der Sloot weren't being truthful, that they were out as late as 3:00 a.m. That would change the investigation, wouldn't it?
D. HOLLOWAY: That's correct. We know that they left approximately 1:00 to 1:30. And then, when they left Carlos 'n Charlie's, you know, you didn't really have any idea, based on the number of statements that he made, you know, where they ended up. And this puts us back up near that area.
SCARBOROUGH: Remarkable.
Hey, stay with us, Dave.
And, Robin, also get back with you.
Dave, let me ask you, is the FBI—we understand the FBI's getting more involved now. Are they keeping you and your family informed in what's going on in this investigation?
D. HOLLOWAY: They are. We have usually daily contact with the FBI if something develops. In fact, I spoke with them today. And they indicated that they're looking into the evidence. And it's not that they're going to do any investigative work. It's going to be simply a fact that they're going to look into it and put another set of eyes on it.
SCARBOROUGH: Are you pleased that they're allowed to get more engaged in this process?
D. HOLLOWAY: Absolutely. The more eyes you have on looking at something, maybe they'll uncover something that was missed early on. And, hopefully, that—that will be the case.
SCARBOROUGH: Robin, talk about the strain that this investigation has had. It continues on and on. Obviously, a lot of people believe the Aruban government's not doing enough—now the Aruban prime minister coming out. And it looks—again, it looks like there's starting to be outside pressure from Alabama officials and others. Do you think finally they're getting the message that we Americans aren't going to just sit back and let them cover up this case and this possible crime?
ROBIN HOLLOWAY, STEPMOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: As far as boycotting Aruba, we don't think that's the answer. Just—I mean, Aruba, the people are just so sweet and good-hearted. And I don't think the answer is to boycott Aruba.
And we're just so grateful they're allowing the FBI be involved now. I mean, the evidence, for what we understand, is in Washington—not Washington, Virginia. And, just, you know, they have got access to that now. But it's stressful. It's a strain. It's—you know, it's -- 57 days is a long time. And, you know, we never dreamed it would go on this long. But we just—we just—we need answers soon.
SCARBOROUGH: It just—yes. It just—it does seem to continue on and on.
Dave, though, it looks like, again, the pace of this investigation finally starting to pick up.
I want to take you back, though, to what happened last week. We saw incredible footage of you talking to Paulus Van Der Sloot and actually giving him some items. Talk about that remarkable meeting.
D. HOLLOWAY: Well, we had a meeting prior to him going into the jail
to speak with his son. In fact, I went to the jail to approach Joran about
· he professes his innocence. I want him to talk to me and profess that innocence.
Afterwards, I spoke with the father and asked him if he had talked to Joran. And he indicated that, in fact, he did talk. But his father had indicated that too much time had passed and that it wouldn't be permissible for me to speak with his son. But I did question him on a number of things that had gone on, some of the things I saw on TV. And all of his responses were a negative, that he was not involved, the Kalpoe brothers were not involved, Joran was not involved, and on and on.
And, you know, we ended it with the fact that he understood my situation and that, as a father of Joran, he'd do anything to protect his son. And we...
(CROSSTALK)
SCARBOROUGH: And we understood that you gave him—gave him something. What did you give him?
D. HOLLOWAY: I gave him a Bible and one of the books that the other person had that was with me, a spiritual book, and then “The Purpose Driven Life.” It's a 40-day book that—you know, it's all about God and it's not about you and everything revolves around God.
And, hopefully, they'll read it and understand that it is all about God and not themselves. And maybe they'll get something out of it.
SCARBOROUGH: How are you and the family holding up tonight?
D. HOLLOWAY: You know, you take every day as a new day and hopefully that it will come to an end.
And, you know, you just—as I said it earlier, you know, I left Meridian with a prayer that God will give us strength to get through this. And I continue to hold on to that prayer. In fact, my pastor came over today, and we had another prayer just to reinforce it. So, we're making it. It's tough. But we'll prevail in the end.
SCARBOROUGH: All right.
Well, Dave and Robin, know that our prayers and our thoughts are with you and the entire family. Thanks a lot for being with us tonight...
R. HOLLOWAY: Thank you.
D. HOLLOWAY: Thank you.
SCARBOROUGH: ... to get us up to date with the very latest.
Never, ever claimed any expertise.
All that's missing is his photo with girls pawing him.
You wanna photo? OK, here. He looks exactly like this guy ("Peter" from "Office Space"). Complete with girl pawing him.
Technically, if Bundy decapitated his victims, slitting of their throats is required. :-)
(Oooh. A little smiley after that lovely description, even.) No, that's not what Gary claimed he did. I'm not going to repeat his graphic post, go back and read it.
At this point, I don't have any idea. I do think the monkey sound is key. I believe BT initially focused on the vds due to the call, because she played it for C Croes.
Beats me. I can't get anything to add up.
My goodness! You are always so cranky!
Let's start over, ok? Do you have an opinion on what might have happened to Natalee? Do you think it's possible that Joran had anything to do with her disappearance? What direction do you think the investigation should go if we discount involvement by Joran and the Kalpoe brothers? Or do you think the Kalpoes could be involved without Joran?
Yes, that does seem to be a pesky little detail to explain, doesn't it? Let's see what THE timeline shows.
3:00 am?.........Girl sounding like Natalee leaves staticy, garbled message on cellphone voicemail of MB guy
....................... MB guy’s cell (his, not rented) is only MB cell which can make/receive calls locally in Aruba
........................Message on his voicemail is along the lines of “I don't know these people”
........................In background of voicemail, people speaking a foreign language.
........................Near the end of voicemail, someone says “get off my phone” or “are you on my phone?”
........................Aruban LE disregard this voicemail because it doesn’t fit Joran’s timeline of events
3:00 am..........??Natalee also leaves message on Twittys answering machine in MB calling from a cellphone??
.......................Beth Twitty in Arkansas @ time. Jug Twitty & Natalee’s 16 y.o. brother Matthew asleep?
.......................Cellphone may have belonged to or was rented by Joran or Paulus van der Sloot
.......................Beth Twitty tells Fox H&C she believes Natalee was @ van der Sloots when she made the call
3:00 am..........Deepak tells Mickey Johns that Joran text messaged they “need to talk” as per People Mag
Somebody may have translated that newspaper headline already (#675), but if not, it looks like it's about the reward, "1 million for Natalee alive", which is what they were saying on tv last night.
Now THAT would explain the 'witness' not seeing Natalee in the car when he went by.
Hubby and I decided that some people have this kind of money and what better way to spend it than use it to bring Natalee home if she is still alive? And if she isn't, then they won't have to spend the money. If I had money, I would be delighted to use it to get a child out of slavery or wherever she might be if alive. We heard this was a friend of the family, which could mean about anything.
Yep.
Thanks, toldyou. I love my son (love all three of 'em, even the nerdy ones, and my daughter too). And he is a great guy.
Doesn't mean I've never worried about him, though!
There was some research recently that struck me as true -- about the part of the brain responsible for judgment not becoming fully mature until age 25.
No doubt this is something parents (not to mention car insurance companies) have known for a long time!
Where did you get that timeline? Where's the source that says Beth said Natalee called her? Links?
MB guy = guy who ran a boat renting business?
MB = ?
MB guy = Mountain Brook male student that was on the Aruba trip.
MB = Mountain Brook High School in Alabama
You wrote:
{My point in posting about my son was to show, as Rippersnapper rightly put it, that "not everyone that is good looking, had good grades, parties a lot and attracted good looking gals was a sociopath."}
If you look up characteristics of a sociopath, you will NOT find:
good-looking
has good grades
parties a lot
attracts good-looking gals
Characteristics of a sociopath have to do with lying, basically living a lie, and having no conscience, no feelings of remorse, no firm grasp on what is right and what is wrong.
Your lack of logic, and basic common sense, is astounding.
Maybe you like to keep bringing up your son because talking about how good-looking and wonderful he is makes you look good, or so you think?
I don't mean to be snarky, but you obviously don't see the futility of your argument.
Thanks. Should have known.
My bad.
Cranky? No. What hit you was just a little snarkiness ricocheting back at you.
Let's start over, ok?
Sure, though I didn't "start" anything with you. Glad you want to address substance rather than make gratuitous swipes.
Do you have an opinion on what might have happened to Natalee?
As the saying goes, opinions are like [bellybuttons] --everybody has one. But not everybody claims to have special knowledge or expertise. Yes, I think there are several plausible theories out there. It could be Joran who did something to her. It could be Deepak. It could be someone else entirely, about whom we know nothing.
Do you think it's possible that Joran had anything to do with her disappearance?
Of course it's possible. I've never seen anybody here post that it's flat out NOT possible.
What direction do you think the investigation should go if we discount involvement by Joran and the Kalpoe brothers?
I wouldn't go so far as to "discount involvement by Joran and the Kalpoe brothers." Obviously there is legitimate suspicion focused on all three.
However, as I've said for weeks, I think it's a mistake to be obsessively focused on Joran and the Kalpoes, to the exclusion of other investigation into, say, kidnapping and sex slavery scenarios, possibly in other locations (such as other islands or the continent of South America).
Or do you think the Kalpoes could be involved without Joran?
Someone earlier posted a link to Dan Riehl's site, where Dan seems to be pointing the finger of suspicion at the Deepak (and, paints a very different portrayal of Joran than the demonic picture we've been getting here).
I don't put any more stock in what Dan Riehl is posting now, than in what he posted earlier. Almost all of the stories we've gotten are anonymously sourced.
And I don't see why we should necessarily believe one set of anonymous tales over another, until we see evidence giving credibility to one and discrediting the other.
IOW, my posts don't take a hard stand, insisting on one theory over another -- because I don't think we have nearly enough credible evidence to do that.
All I'm trying to do is be objective.
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