ARE we in a World War? You be the judge...

US State Dept; wikipedia; UCal; multiple others ^ | 7/24/05

[Wolfstar]

An incredible number of attacks by Islamic jihadists have been planned over the last 35 years. Although many have been averted, far too many plots have succeeded:

Since 1970, jihadists carried out attacks in over 60 cities, in at least 41 countries, on five continents and Pacific islands. Jihadists have assassinated heads of state, ambassadors and military personnel, and killed thousands of men, women, and children of many ages, ethnicities and religions (including Muslims). They have sometimes deliberately targeted children and babies.

The 78 incidents listed below should not be taken as a complete list, merely a representative one. The listed attacks resulted in at least 7478 deaths (rate of over two attacks/death toll over 210 annually). They began 33 years before our invasion of Iraq.

Had just one of the biggest known aborted attacks been successful (e.g., Operation Bojinka), the death toll would have been in the tens of thousands, resulting in an annual rate of many hundreds killed. Luck, as much as intelligence and investigative skill, has prevented some massive attacks. Operation Bojinka was only discovered due to an apartment fire. However, the frequency and complexity of such attacks have continued to escalate since the 1970's.

We easily could have lost well over 10,000 on 9/11/01. Yet that was not the biggest known planned attack on New York City. The same cell which carried out the 1993 WTC attack intended to bomb the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels, the UN building, and other NYC landmarks on one day. Had they succeeded, the death toll could have been beyond unthinkable. Similarly, had the plot to bomb Los Angeles International Airport succeeded during New Year's, 2000, the death toll could have been horrendous. Sooner or later, we may run out of luck.

We know the jihadists train and carry out small test runs for much larger planned attacks. Was the 2001 anthrax bioweapons attack such a test run? We may never know — that is, we may never know until the day we're hit with a much larger bioweapons attack. We also know from captured terrorist documents, computers and equipment that the jihadist network wants to make or obtain chemical and nuclear weapons. They are already way too close to such weapons in Pakistan and Iran. Most importantly, we know they take a very long view of history. Their plots can and often do take years to execute.

If this list doesn't make clear that we are in a bona fide World War, what will? Yes, it's an unconventional war or, to use the current faddish term, an asymmetrical war. We are facing what amounts to a shadowy guerrilla army that operates worldwide, rather than massed armies openly fielded by nations. Nevertheless, for our own survival we need to come to grips with the fact that we are, indeed, in a World War such as has never been seen before. The enemy has been escalating the frequency and ferocity of his attacks over the past 35 years while we have been oblivious to the growing danger.

Year	Month	Day	Location	Description	Dead
1970	Feb	21	Zurich, Switzerland	SwissAir 330 bombed by Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), a member group of Yasser Arafat’s Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). All aboard were killed.	47
1970	Sept	6–7	Europe: Amsterdam, Brussels, Frankfurt, Zurich	First multiple aircraft hijackings: Five planes were hijacked. (Two landed at a desert airstrip in Jordan called Dawson's Field, giving the incident it’s name.) The PFLP was responsible.	2
1972	May	30	Tel Aviv, Israel	First known joint operation between jihadists and a terroristic Communist group. PFLP dispatches members of the Japanese Red Army to attack Lod Airport in Tel Aviv.	27
1972	Sept	5	Munich, Germany	Israeli athletes murdered at Munich Olympics by a group calling themselves "Black September," an arm of Fatah operating under Yasser Arafat's direct command. (The PLO was kicked out of Jordan and fled to Lebanon in September, hence the term "black.").	11
1973	Dec	17	Rome, Italy	Phosphorus bombs thrown aboard Pan Am 110. The terrorists were all members of Fatah, and Abu Nidal masterminded the attack.	30
1973	Mar	1	Khartoum, Sudan	Palestinian terrorists take over Saudi embassy. A Belgian and two Americans, were killed, including Cleo Noel, U.S. Amb. to Sudan.	3
1974	May	15	Ma'alot, Israel	One of the earliest known incidents when jihadists deliberately targeted children. PFLP broke into a high school where 14 to 16-year-olds were resting after an outing. They killed a security guard, detonated grenades and shot the children.	26
1974	Sept	8	Athens, Greece	TWA 841 explodes after takeoff killing all aboard. A youth group in Beirut claimed responsibility. Abu Nidal was the suspected mastermind.	88
1976	July	3–4	Entebbe, Uganda	Hijacking of Air France 139 and subsequent Operation Entebbe: Six terrorists and three hostages died. Ugandan forces opened fire on Israeli troops killing Col. Jonathan "Yoni" Netanyahu, the operation’s commander; 45 Ugandan soldiers were killed and Ugandan fighter planes sitting on the ramp were "put into non-flying condition."	55
1979	Nov	4	Tehran, Iran	A militant Islamic mob took over the U.S. embassy and held 52 Americans hostage for the next 444 days. A U.S. rescue attempt in April 1980 failed. The hostages were released Jan. 20, 1981.	8
1981	Oct	6	Cairo, Egypt	Egyptian President Anwar Sadat was assassinated by the Egyptian branch of Islamic Jihad (a code name for Hezobllah).	1
1982	Sept	14	Lebanon	Lebanese Prime Minister Bashir Gemayel and 25 others were killed in a car bomb attack. Gemayel was seen by many Muslims as too "pro" Israel.	26
1983	Apr	18	Beirut, Lebanon	A van drove up to the U.S. embassy, parked under the portico and exploded. The front section of the embassy collapsed. Islamic Jihad was responsible.	63
1983	Dec	12	Kuwait City, Kuwait	A truck loaded with explosives crashed into the U.S. Embassy annex. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.	4
1983	Oct	23	Beirut, Lebanon	A truck drove to HQ, U.S. Marines. The driver gunned his engine, crashed through a barbed-wire fence, passed between two sentry posts, crashed through a gate, and barreled into the lobby. The Marine sentries did not have loaded weapons and were unable to shoot the driver. (According to one Marine, the driver was smiling as he sped past him.) The suicide bomber detonated his truck. The force collapsed the four-story cinder-block building.About 20 seconds later, an identical attack occurred on the French paratroop barracks.It was the deadliest single-day death toll for the American military since World War II. Hezbollah, backed by Iran and Syria, were responsible.	299
1983	Sept	23	Abu Dhabi, UAE	Gulf Air 771 enroute from Abu Dhabi to Karachi exploded and crashed in the desert near Mina Jebel Ali, UAE, killing all aboard.	117
1985	Apr	12	Madrid, Spain	A bomb exploded in a restaurant where U.S. soldiers liked to eat.	18
1985	Dec	27	Rome, Italy & Vienna, Austria	Four terrorists walked to the ticket counter of El Al airlines at Leonardo Da Vinci International Airport and opened fire with assault rifles and grenades. Minutes later, an identical attack occurred at the Vienna International Airport. The Abu Nidal group was responsible.	20
1985	Nov	23	Valeta, Malta	EgyptAir 648 hijacked by Abu Nidal group. The plane was flown to Malta where Egyptian commandos stormed it.	60
1985	Oct	7	Port Said, Egypt	Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro hijacked by Palestinian terrorists. Wheelchair-bound elderly man, Leon Klinghoffer, was shot and thrown overboard. Instructions for the attack originated from Yasser Arafat's headquarters in Tunis.	1
1986	Apr	2	Athens, Greece	A bomb exploded aboard TWA 840, sucking four American passengers, including a nine-month-old baby, to their deaths below. The "Arab Revolutionary Cells" claimed responsibility. The group was later connected to Yasser Arafat.	4
1986	Apr	6	Berlin, West Germany	The La Belle discotheque was bombed in an attack on U.S. servicemen. Libya was responsible.	3
1986	Sept	5	Karachi, Pakista	Pan Am 7 hijacked by four armed men (Abu Nidal). The leader ordered flight attendants to collect passports. Rajesh Kumar, a 29-year-old California resident who had recently become a naturalized U.S. citizen, was shot in the head, then heaved onto the tarmac. The terrorists positioned themselves in front and behind the crowd of passengers/crew. After reciting a martyrdom prayer in Arabic, they opened fire, throwing hand grenades into the crowd and spraying the trapped people with automatic weapons fire. A 2nd U.S. citizen was killed; the father of two young children who were next to their dad when he was shot. Scores of other passengers were injured.	21
1988	Dec	21	Lockerbie, Scotland	Pan Am 103 exploded over Lockerbie killing 270, including 11 people on the ground; 189 were Americans. The terrorists were traced to Libya.	270
1989	Sept	19	Sahara Desert	UTA 772, a French DC-10, exploded killing all aboard. The brother-in-law of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi and five other Libyans were put on trial in absentia for the bombing. In 2003, Libya admitted responsibility and agreed to pay the families of the victims.	170
1992	Mar	17	Buenos Aires, Argentina	A car bomb exploded in front of the Israeli Embassy. Most victims were Argentine civilians, including children. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility. In 1998, a telephone call intercepted from the Iranian embassy in Argentina proved Iran had been involved in the attack.	29
1993	Feb	26	New York	First World Trade Center bombing, which was planned by Ramzi Youssef.	6
1993	Jan	25	Langley, Virginia	Mir Aimal Kansi, a Pakistani, fired an AK-47 assault rifle into cars waiting at a stoplight in front of CIA HQ. He was captured in Pakistan and executed in the United States Nov 14, 2002.	2
1994	Dec	11	Near Okinawa, Japan	Small bomb on Philippines Airlines plane kills one, injures six. Authorities learned that Ramzi Yousef planted the bomb as a test run for "Operation Bojinka."	1
1994	Dec	24	Algiers, Algeria	Air France 8969 was hijacked by GIA (Armed Islamic Group). The terrorists planned to crash the plane into the Eiffel Tower in Paris.	7
1994	July	18	Buenos Aires, Argentina	A powerful bomb made of ammonium nitrate was driven through the front gates of the seven-story Argentina-Israeli Mutual Association, leveling the building. The suicide bomber, Ibrahim Hussein Berro, a 29-year-old Shiite Muslim, has been honored with a plaque in southern Lebanon.	86
1994	July	19	Panama	A Panamanian commuter plane exploded killing all aboard. A group based in Lebanon claimed the attack, but it is believe Hezbollah was responsible, with backing from Iran.	29
1995	Jan	6–7	Manila, Philippines	Plans for "Operation Bojinka" were discovered on a laptop computer in Manila after an apartment fire. It was to be a large-scale attack on airliners in 1995, and was a precursor to the Sept 11 attacks. The plot was developed by Ramzi Yousef and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed while they were in Manila in 1994 and early 1995. Bombs were to be planted on 11 U.S.-bound airliners that had stopovers all around East Asia and Southeast Asia. The aircraft would have blown up over the Pacific and South China Sea almost simultaneously. If this plan worked, as many as 4000 would have perished and air travel would have been shut down worldwide.	0
1995	Nov	13	Riyadh, Saudi Arabia	A car bomb exploded outside a joint HQ for U.S. and Saudi military. Three Islamic terror organizations claimed responsibility.	7
1995	Nov	19	Islamabad, Pakistan	Egyptian Embassy was bombed.	19
1996	Dec	3	Paris, France	A bomb exploded aboard a subway train killing four and injuring 86, including a U.S. citizen. No one claimed responsibility, but Algerian extremists were suspected.	4
1996	June	25	Dhahran, Saudi Arabia	Fuel truck carrying a bomb exploded outside the U.S. military's Khobar Towers housing facility. The Saudi branch of Hezbollah was responsible.	19
1997	Nov	17	Luxor, Egypt	Six gunmen emerged from desert cliffs into the Temple of Hatshepsut and opened fire with automatic weapons at dozens of tourists. The dead included Japanese, German, Swiss and Egyptian citizens.	71
1997	Sept	18	Cairo, Egypt	Three men calmly walked up to a tourist bus outside the Egyptian Museum, pulled weapons from a plastic bag, and unleashed an attack that killed 10, at least seven of them German tourists. One gunman, Saber Mohammed Farhat Abu el-Ulla, had carried out a similar attack four years earlier, killing two Americans and a French citizen.	10
1998	Aug	7	Nairobi, Kenya & Dar-es-Salaam, Tanzania	Twin truck bomb attacks against U.S. embassies. At least 225 dead and more than 4000 wounded.	225
1999	Jan	3	Islamabad, Pakistan	Gunmen opened fire on Shi'a Muslims worshipping in a mosque.	16
1999	Dec	24	Kathmandu, Nepal	Indian Airlines 814 was hijacked by Taliban agents.	1
1999	Aug	31	Moscow, Russia	Multiple Russian apartment bombings by Chechen terrorists, killing at least 300.	300
2000	Oct	12	Aden, Yemen	Boat bomb attack on the USS Cole.	17
2001	Dec	13	New Delhi, India	Terrorists attack Indian Parliament building. Laskhar-e-Taiba, a radical Islamic group (affiliated with Al Qaeda), was thought responsible. A terrorist arrested in connection with the attack told investigators Al Qaeda had plans to attack the British and Australian Embassies, and Parliament.	12
2001	Sept	11	New York, Virginia, Pennsylvania	Hijacked planes crashed into the World Trade Center and Pentagon. A fourth crashed into a field in Pennsylvania. Nearly 3000 dead, including 265 on the planes; 343 firemen; 60 New York City and Port Authority police officers; 125 at the Pentagon.	2,985
2002	Oct	17–18	Zamboanga & Manila, Philippines	Two bombs exploded in the main shopping district of the mostly Christian city of Zamboanga. A day later, a bus was bombed in Manila. Jemaah Islamiyah, an Islamic extremist group affiliated with Al Qaeda, was responsible.	9
2002	Apr	11	Djerba, Tunisia	Car bomb attack against a synagogue on the resort island of Djerba. At least 21 dead.	21
2002	June	14	Karachi, Pakistan	Truck bomb attack against U.S. Consulate.	12
2002	May	9	Kaspiisk, Dagestan	A bomb explosion in kills at least 42 people and injures 130 or more during Victory Day festivities.	42
2002	Nov	28	Mombasa, Kenya	Attack on an Israeli-owned hotel. Surface-to-air missile launched at Israeli airliner the same day.	12
2002	Oct	12	Bali, Indonesia	Attacks against U.S. Consulate, Sari Club and Paddy's Bar. Most of the dead were Australian tourists.	202
2002	Oct	23	Moscow, Russia	Moscow theater hostage crisis begins; 120 hostages and 40 terrorists killed in rescue 3 days later.	160
2003	Apr	3	Russia	Chechen Islamists carry out 10 deadly suicide bombings across Russia and nearby provinces between Apr and Dec.	250
2003	Aug	19	Baghdad, Iraq	Canal Hotel Bombing (UN HQ) in Baghdad, Iraq kills 22 people including the top UN representative, Sergio Vieira de Mello.	22
2003	Aug	5	Indonesia	Car bomb attack against Marriott Hotel. At least 12 dead.	12
2003	Aug	1	Mozdok, Russia	The Russian hospital in Mozdok, North Ossetia, was bombed.	50
2003	May	12	Riyadh, Saudi Arabia	Attacks at three compounds housing non-Saudi workers. At least 30 dead. Al Qaeda was responsible.	30
2003	May	16	Casablanca, Morocco	Multiple suicide bombings against Spanish and Jewish facilities, and involved 12 bombers and 5 targets. The Attack was attributed to a Moroccan Al Qaeda-linked group.	45
2003	May	12	Znamenskoye, Chechnya	Truck bomb attack on a government building.	59
2003	Nov	8	Riyadh, Saudi Arabia	Car bomb attack against residential compound housing mainly workers from other Arab countries.	17
2003	Nov	15–20	Istanbul, Turkey	Two car bomb attacks at Jewish synagogues, plus car bomb attacks at HSBC Bank and the British Consulate.	60
2004	Feb	1	Arbil, Iraq	Two suicide bombings kill 109 Kurds.	109
2004	Mar	2	Iraq	Known as the Ashoura Massacre, Al Qaeda carries out suicide bombings at Shia holy sites killing 181 and wounding over 500.	181
2004	Aug	24	Russia	Multiple, nearly simultaneous Russian airplane bombings.	90
2004	Aug	31	Moscow, Russia	Suicide bombing near a subway station entrance in northern Moscow.	10
2004	Dec	12	Gen. Santos, Philippines	Bombing at Christmas market in General Santos, Philippines.	15
2004	Feb	6	Moscow, Russia	Bomb on Moscow subway.	41
2004	Feb	27	Philippines	Superferry 14 was bombed by Abu Sayyaf group.	116
2004	Mar	11	Madrid, Spain	Bomb attacks against four trains. Terrorists blew themselves up when confronted by police.	199
2004	May	1	Yanbu, Saudi Arabia	Attack on non-Saudi oil workers.	7
2004	May	29	Al-Khobar, Saudi Arabia	Islamic terrorists kill 22 people at an oil compound in Saudi Arabia.	22
2004	Oct	8	Taba, Egypt	Large explosions at Hilton Hotel in Taba and at two campsites in the Sinai area.	30
2004	Oct	7	Sinai, Egypt	Three car bombs explode in the Sinai Peninsula, killing at least 32 and wounding 114, most of them Israeli tourists.	32
2004	Sept	9	Jakarta, Indonesia	Car bomb outside Australian Embassy.	9
2004	Sept	1–3	Beslan, North Ossetia, Russia	Beslan school hostage crisis in North Ossetia, Russia results in a massacre of children.	330
2004	Sept	9	Jakarta, Indonesia	The Australian embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia was bombed.	8
2005	July	7	London, England	Four suicide bomb attacks in three tube trains and a bus. At least 56 dead.	56

[frankiep]

Well of course, that too. How silly of me to have forgotten.

[Wolfstar]

Some one needs to send this out to the major ping lists. It deserves to be part of the readilly available FR archives.

Thanks, mercy. If I knew how, I would. I did just finish pinging some FR folks I know.

[Coldwater Creek]

Not only do I see us in WW3, but this country is is the fight for its life.

[weegee]

Note too that while in WWII, the Japanese and Germans both preached racial superiority (like the muslims do), it did not take killing every last Japanese or citizen or soldier to bring peace to the world.

And those nations are not hot beds of violent extremism today (relative to their warmongering past).

[Wolfstar]

...and hopefully, understand what we are up against.

Thanks, Rushmore Rocks. That's the point of this thread. To try to help people see the massive scope of what we're all up against. This is not just an Israeli-Palestinian problem. It never was.

[mercy]

I'd really like to have this list. Anyway you could get it into PDF form and have it available on a website?

[kAcknor]

What can we do?

Aheckofallotmore.

Bump and referenced for future use!

[Wolfstar]

This is another Crusades. Does not meant that it needs to be fought as long but Islamofascism has no part in the modern world anymore than the political/genetic philosophy of Nazism.

Extremely well stated, weegee. The particular point that I quoted above should be shouted from every rooftop.

[cwb]

Excellent Piece. To which, I would like to add this rather long piece:

What the press and most liberals don't understand is that when they begin to apply moral equivalance tests to terrorism...justifying it for whatever reason, they make it justifiable far any reason. When Ken Livingstone (Mayor of London) says it's OK for the Palenstinians to use suicide bombers (for whatever perverted reasoning) against Israel, he makes it acceptable to use them in London. Amazingly, both he, the press and other liberals can't see that simply by asking, "aren't your (US/Brit) policies responsible for the attacks on London and Madrid, etc?"..that they are giving further justification for more attacks.

If the Iraq war is responsible for this terrorism, what was responsible for 9/11...or the USS Cole...or the Millenium plot? Using Liberal-Logic, Bill Clinton would be responsible for those attacks since he not only attacked Iraq, he also attacked Afghanistan and Sudan, resulting in a direct declaration of war from Bin-Laden, himself. But wait....weren't those attacks retribution for the attacks on the US Embassies in Africa? What liberals are essentially telling us is that we can't defend ourselves for fear of what the terrorists might do. And make no mistake about it; if it wasn't Iraq, Afghanistan would've sufficed on its own, as Clinton's 1998 bombing proved. Those who don't think there would've been any reprecussion from displacing AQ and the Taliban, are naive. Sadly, If liberals want, they can continue to make excuses for terrorism all the way back to our initial support of Israel....and earlier.

Unfortunately, Islamic terrorism existed long before Israel even came into existence. What's disgusting about the Left and their excuses for Muslim anger is that they have no historical perspective about these so-called grievances. Islam's anger with the West didn't just start in the last century...and it certainly didn't have anything to do with oil, or even Israel, for that matter. From its founding, Islam has been an expansionist ideology. For all the whining we hear about the humiliation they suffered over their deconstructed Ottoman Empire, it was they who helped perpetuate its collapse.

The Ottoman empire was in shambles to begin with because of tribal warfare...but to make things worse, it was the Ottoman Turks who decided it was in their interest to side with Germany in WWI. What became of their empire was no different than what became of the empires of Germany and Austria/Hungary, as those empires were also carved up because of their aggression. If we were to extend liberal-logic further, one could say that Hitler actually had some justifications for his acts prior to WWI since the Treaty of Versailles was extremely punitive on Germany. But I guarantee you won't hear a liberal defending Hitler.

Ironically, with all the excuses given for Islam's hatred of the West and especially the USA, it was the USA who led the way in arguing for Arab independence following WWII; and for all of Europe's consternation of US imperialism infringing on the Mid-East, it was Europe who helped create the very divisions that exists today. From the Balfour Declaration to various partition plans, Europe was the center for Mid-East reorganization. While the League of Nations and the victors of WWI did take special interest in the crumbling Ottoman Empire, instituting mandates to be governed by Britain and France, the Muslims of this region have no one to blame but themselves. This was a group of people who were engaged in the worst holocaust against indigenous people outside of that which occurred in Germany during WWII.

From the Christian Assyrians to the Armenians to the Greeks, Slavs and Jews...Muslims had been ethnically cleansing what was Asia Minor of non-Muslims for centuries. As this threat continued to encroach further into the "soft underbelly of Europe," the victors of WWI finally decided it was time to put a stop to this 2nd Jihad, which had not only killed millions of people, but was continuing to threaten Europe...again. And I say again, because Islam had been attempting its conquest of Europe since their first incursions into S.France from as early as 732...to their eventual sacking of Byzantine in 1453. What Muslims (and liberals) seem to forget about The Crusades, is that they were a reaction to Islam's expansion into Christian Holy Land...reaching into the Balkans and threatening France and Spain.

Yes, Muslims can bitch and moan, and play the perpetual victim of so-called European colonization...and Leftists can defend them and help make excuses for their hatred and anger to help ease their guilt; but remember, that it was Islam who initiated this reaction by their own aggressions that went unchecked for centuries...including their further alliances with Hitler in WWII. Ironically, one of these alliances was that of the Albanian Muslims with Hitler, who, after annexing Kosovo to be part of the Albanian/Axis puppet state, allowed Muslims to commit gross artrocities against other indigenous people of the region...including murdering and driving the Serbs out of Kosovo. As a result of this alliance, Muslims were allowed to further perpetuate their dominance in this region, which has continued in conflict until today.

Islam is a religion, that within its first 100 years, conquered more land and people than the Romans did in their storied history.   Amazingly, liberals seem to only have a short historical memory when it comes aggression and retribution. Even today...far away from the Mid-East, Muslims are at war (and have been) with other indigenous people (and Christians) in regions such as Indonesia, Sudan, Philippines, Somalia, Chechnya, the Balkans...and now London, etc. The question isn't what "our" policies have done to incite such hatred and anger; it's what has Islam done to inspire this hatred and anger...a belief that the World is theirs for the taking.   What's worse, is the liberal attitude that looks to jusitfy this ideology by searching for "root-causes"...while ignoring this history.

And here's some irony about Islam's hatred for the Great Satan. For all the abuse America takes from these ingrates, it was America who led the way in pressuring Europe to recognize Arab independence after WWII. The Atlantic Charter, which proposed giving power to the people to determine their own governments was one of the first steps in moving the Mid-East away from their former mandates and colonial heritage "started by Europe." It was Europe...and even the UN, who were the major architects in planning the fate of Mid-East statehood even after WWII. Sadly, todays liberal-socialists who are governing Europe, continue to operate under this misplaced guilt, that they must give special accomodation and reconpence to Muslims for Europe's past behaviour; unfortunately, they also continue to ignore Islam's past behaviour...at their own peril. Liberal guilt is literally digging their/our graves.

The irony here, is that unlike Europe, it was America who recognized Egypt's right to nationalize the Suez Canal...despite the fact that both France and Britain had purchased those rights earlier and financed its construction. The same can be said for the oil production in these lands, which were also expropriated after Western nations invested millions of dollars in these infrastructures and technology...since these people didn't have the skill to do it. Sure, America also had it's own interest in this region, but those interests only became relevant when, again, some Muslim nations decided to side with the enemies of humanity (USSR) during the Cold War. We don't have to steal someones oil since we are more than willing to pay for it. For all Islam's complaints about oppression, it has been their leaders that have sided with some of the worst tyrants throughout history.

From the Muslim secessionist movement in India (Pakistan) to financial and military aid during the Cold War and support in the Gulf War, Americans have naively stood with Muslims and defended them against aggressor nations and persons. In our own naivety and ignorance, we have even supported Muslims against Christians, whether it was the Muslim secessionist movement in Kosovo and the Balkans...or stopping such Christian movements from occurring in Indonesia/East Timor. Heck, after a decade of complete appeasement, with financial and military aid going to Muslim governments that we knew were also committing atrocities against minority populations (Turkey, Albania/Balkans and Indonesia)...we still got attacked on 9/11.

While Muslims like to lament the further division of their territories following the World Wars, many of these partition plans were actually necessary to thwart continuing tribal and religious differences. The truth is, Muslims not only have a problem living among non-Muslims...they have a problem living among themselves. One of the reasons for the creation of these artifical boundaries in the Mid-East, was to protect Muslims from other Muslims...ala, the Sunnis and Shi'ites. One of the biggest hoaxes perpetrated by the Left is their reporting of Israeli violence against the Palestinians, when their own Arab brethren have committed far worse atrocities against them...and vica-versa. The number-one killer of Muslims, are Muslims...with Saddam right up there at the top.

From a historical perspective, America has a very short history with the Mid-East. And on many of those occasions, this relationship was one of support...whether it was our leadership in their independence, support for them against Soviet encroachment and aggression...or even against other Muslims like Saddam. Yet, today, we are not only called the Great Satan by these same people, we are blamed for the origins of much of these problems by those who were the original architects....Europe. The fact that the Left has not only re-wrote the history books but has perpetuated this lie in defense of terrorism makes these people as dangerous as those who are attacking us.

[Wolfstar]

Not only do I see us in WW3, but this country is is the fight for its life.

Agreed. I would just widen the scope to say Western civilization is in the fight of its life, in some respects equal to that of WWII.

[snugs]

Very true they are inter connected and basically it is the Muslims wishing to reassert themselves as the major religion in the world in fact worse than that the only. We are infidels to them end of story and we cannot negotiate with them there is no basic tenant of acceptance by them to our way of life.

[Wolfstar]

Unfortunately, I don't have my own website. The best I could do is email you the HTML. Let me know via FReepmail if you want to do it that way.

[Eagle Eye]

Stop giving them propoganda talking points.

You'll just get them mad at us.

Your post just endangered us and threatened our way of life.


Do I really need to show my "/sarcasm" tag on this?

I hope not.

[Wolfstar]

Aheckofallotmore.

Yes, indeed. A heck of a lot. God help us if the day should ever come when the Islamofreaks get their hands on nuclear weapons.

[ohioWfan]

Excellent list, Wolfstar...........and understood as representative.

The full scope of this war against civilization is almost overwhelming.

Thanks for all the work that went into this. Bookmarked for future reference (and for use a club to use against any numskull who tries to say that ANY terrorism is our President's fault).

[Wolfstar]

We are infidels to them end of story and we cannot negotiate with them there is no basic tenant of acceptance by them to our way of life.

You're so very right, snugs. I hope all Brits come to quickly realize what you and Ivan have known all along.

[Wolfstar]

Do I really need to show my "/sarcasm" tag on this?

Grin...of course not.

[JCEccles]

Unfortunately, I don't have my own website.

You can set one up for free here.

[weegee]

Everyone got focused on the world ushering in a new millenium (actually such perspective comes from honoring the birth of Christ). We "could" have ushered in a new era where past differences were set aside but the only muslim movement that I am aware of (the movement that changes lives) saw fit to flex their muscle and destroy all other cultures.

Remember that in early 2001, the Taliban blew up ancient Buddhist statues because they were offended by them.

If they can't play nice, they will at least get a timeout or harsher punishment.

I know of Christians coming to aid around the world. When was the last major outpouring of assistance from muslim nations to non-muslim nations?

[varon]

We need to pressure the federal government to recreate the Civil Defense Corps, complete with coast watchers, border watchers, and people who are trained to help keep an eye on major facilities in their communities

Good as your idea might be, good luck, in view the way the federal government is already treating the Minutemen.

If we win the war on terrorism, especially with civilian help, the Feds will not feel wanted/needed and therefore it isn't going to happen. They need war/chaos to justify their existence.