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ARE we in a World War? You be the judge...
US State Dept; wikipedia; UCal; multiple others ^ | 7/24/05

Posted on 07/24/2005 10:05:56 AM PDT by Wolfstar

An incredible number of attacks by Islamic jihadists have been planned over the last 35 years. Although many have been averted, far too many plots have succeeded:

Since 1970, jihadists carried out attacks in over 60 cities, in at least 41 countries, on five continents and Pacific islands. Jihadists have assassinated heads of state, ambassadors and military personnel, and killed thousands of men, women, and children of many ages, ethnicities and religions (including Muslims). They have sometimes deliberately targeted children and babies.

The 78 incidents listed below should not be taken as a complete list, merely a representative one. The listed attacks resulted in at least 7478 deaths (rate of over two attacks/death toll over 210 annually). They began 33 years before our invasion of Iraq.

Had just one of the biggest known aborted attacks been successful (e.g., Operation Bojinka), the death toll would have been in the tens of thousands, resulting in an annual rate of many hundreds killed. Luck, as much as intelligence and investigative skill, has prevented some massive attacks. Operation Bojinka was only discovered due to an apartment fire. However, the frequency and complexity of such attacks have continued to escalate since the 1970's.

We easily could have lost well over 10,000 on 9/11/01. Yet that was not the biggest known planned attack on New York City. The same cell which carried out the 1993 WTC attack intended to bomb the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels, the UN building, and other NYC landmarks on one day. Had they succeeded, the death toll could have been beyond unthinkable. Similarly, had the plot to bomb Los Angeles International Airport succeeded during New Year's, 2000, the death toll could have been horrendous. Sooner or later, we may run out of luck.

We know the jihadists train and carry out small test runs for much larger planned attacks. Was the 2001 anthrax bioweapons attack such a test run? We may never know — that is, we may never know until the day we're hit with a much larger bioweapons attack. We also know from captured terrorist documents, computers and equipment that the jihadist network wants to make or obtain chemical and nuclear weapons. They are already way too close to such weapons in Pakistan and Iran. Most importantly, we know they take a very long view of history. Their plots can and often do take years to execute.

If this list doesn't make clear that we are in a bona fide World War, what will? Yes, it's an unconventional war or, to use the current faddish term, an asymmetrical war. We are facing what amounts to a shadowy guerrilla army that operates worldwide, rather than massed armies openly fielded by nations. Nevertheless, for our own survival we need to come to grips with the fact that we are, indeed, in a World War such as has never been seen before. The enemy has been escalating the frequency and ferocity of his attacks over the past 35 years while we have been oblivious to the growing danger.

Year
Month
Day
Location
Description
Dead

1970

Feb

21

Zurich, Switzerland

SwissAir 330 bombed by Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), a member group of Yasser Arafat’s Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). All aboard were killed.

47

1970

Sept

6–7

Europe: Amsterdam, Brussels, Frankfurt, Zurich First multiple aircraft hijackings: Five planes were hijacked. (Two landed at a desert airstrip in Jordan called Dawson's Field, giving the incident it’s name.) The PFLP was responsible.

2

1972

May

30

Tel Aviv, Israel First known joint operation between jihadists and a terroristic Communist group. PFLP dispatches members of the Japanese Red Army to attack Lod Airport in Tel Aviv.

27

1972

Sept

5

Munich, Germany Israeli athletes murdered at Munich Olympics by a group calling themselves "Black September," an arm of Fatah operating under Yasser Arafat's direct command. (The PLO was kicked out of Jordan and fled to Lebanon in September, hence the term "black.").

11

1973

Dec

17

Rome, Italy Phosphorus bombs thrown aboard Pan Am 110. The terrorists were all members of Fatah, and Abu Nidal masterminded the attack.

30

1973

Mar

1

Khartoum, Sudan Palestinian terrorists take over Saudi embassy. A Belgian and two Americans, were killed, including Cleo Noel, U.S. Amb. to Sudan.

3

1974

May

15

Ma'alot, Israel One of the earliest known incidents when jihadists deliberately targeted children. PFLP broke into a high school where 14 to 16-year-olds were resting after an outing. They killed a security guard, detonated grenades and shot the children.

26

1974

Sept

8

Athens, Greece TWA 841 explodes after takeoff killing all aboard. A youth group in Beirut claimed responsibility. Abu Nidal was the suspected mastermind.

88

1976

July

3–4

Entebbe, Uganda Hijacking of Air France 139 and subsequent Operation Entebbe: Six terrorists and three hostages died. Ugandan forces opened fire on Israeli troops killing Col. Jonathan "Yoni" Netanyahu, the operation’s commander; 45 Ugandan soldiers were killed and Ugandan fighter planes sitting on the ramp were "put into non-flying condition."

55

1979

Nov

4

Tehran, Iran A militant Islamic mob took over the U.S. embassy and held 52 Americans hostage for the next 444 days. A U.S. rescue attempt in April 1980 failed. The hostages were released Jan. 20, 1981.

8

1981

Oct

6

Cairo, Egypt Egyptian President Anwar Sadat was assassinated by the Egyptian branch of Islamic Jihad (a code name for Hezobllah).

1

1982

Sept

14

Lebanon Lebanese Prime Minister Bashir Gemayel and 25 others were killed in a car bomb attack. Gemayel was seen by many Muslims as too "pro" Israel.

26

1983

Apr

18

Beirut, Lebanon A van drove up to the U.S. embassy, parked under the portico and exploded. The front section of the embassy collapsed. Islamic Jihad was responsible.

63

1983

Dec

12

Kuwait City, Kuwait A truck loaded with explosives crashed into the U.S. Embassy annex. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.

4

1983

Oct

23

Beirut, Lebanon A truck drove to HQ, U.S. Marines. The driver gunned his engine, crashed through a barbed-wire fence, passed between two sentry posts, crashed through a gate, and barreled into the lobby. The Marine sentries did not have loaded weapons and were unable to shoot the driver. (According to one Marine, the driver was smiling as he sped past him.) The suicide bomber detonated his truck. The force collapsed the four-story cinder-block building.About 20 seconds later, an identical attack occurred on the French paratroop barracks.It was the deadliest single-day death toll for the American military since World War II. Hezbollah, backed by Iran and Syria, were responsible.

299

1983

Sept

23

Abu Dhabi, UAE Gulf Air 771 enroute from Abu Dhabi to Karachi exploded and crashed in the desert near Mina Jebel Ali, UAE, killing all aboard.

117

1985

Apr

12

Madrid, Spain A bomb exploded in a restaurant where U.S. soldiers liked to eat.

18

1985

Dec

27

Rome, Italy &
Vienna, Austria
Four terrorists walked to the ticket counter of El Al airlines at Leonardo Da Vinci International Airport and opened fire with assault rifles and grenades. Minutes later, an identical attack occurred at the Vienna International Airport. The Abu Nidal group was responsible.

20

1985

Nov

23

Valeta, Malta EgyptAir 648 hijacked by Abu Nidal group. The plane was flown to Malta where Egyptian commandos stormed it.

60

1985

Oct

7

Port Said, Egypt Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro hijacked by Palestinian terrorists. Wheelchair-bound elderly man, Leon Klinghoffer, was shot and thrown overboard. Instructions for the attack originated from Yasser Arafat's headquarters in Tunis.

1

1986

Apr

2

Athens, Greece A bomb exploded aboard TWA 840, sucking four American passengers, including a nine-month-old baby, to their deaths below. The "Arab Revolutionary Cells" claimed responsibility. The group was later connected to Yasser Arafat.

4

1986

Apr

6

Berlin, West Germany The La Belle discotheque was bombed in an attack on U.S. servicemen. Libya was responsible.

3

1986

Sept

5

Karachi, Pakista Pan Am 7 hijacked by four armed men (Abu Nidal). The leader ordered flight attendants to collect passports. Rajesh Kumar, a 29-year-old California resident who had recently become a naturalized U.S. citizen, was shot in the head, then heaved onto the tarmac. The terrorists positioned themselves in front and behind the crowd of passengers/crew. After reciting a martyrdom prayer in Arabic, they opened fire, throwing hand grenades into the crowd and spraying the trapped people with automatic weapons fire. A 2nd U.S. citizen was killed; the father of two young children who were next to their dad when he was shot. Scores of other passengers were injured.

21

1988

Dec

21

Lockerbie, Scotland Pan Am 103 exploded over Lockerbie killing 270, including 11 people on the ground; 189 were Americans. The terrorists were traced to Libya.

270

1989

Sept

19

Sahara Desert UTA 772, a French DC-10, exploded killing all aboard. The brother-in-law of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi and five other Libyans were put on trial in absentia for the bombing. In 2003, Libya admitted responsibility and agreed to pay the families of the victims.

170

1992

Mar

17

Buenos Aires, Argentina A car bomb exploded in front of the Israeli Embassy. Most victims were Argentine civilians, including children. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility. In 1998, a telephone call intercepted from the Iranian embassy in Argentina proved Iran had been involved in the attack.

29

1993

Feb

26

New York First World Trade Center bombing, which was planned by Ramzi Youssef.

6

1993

Jan

25

Langley, Virginia Mir Aimal Kansi, a Pakistani, fired an AK-47 assault rifle into cars waiting at a stoplight in front of CIA HQ. He was captured in Pakistan and executed in the United States Nov 14, 2002.

2

1994

Dec

11

Near Okinawa, Japan Small bomb on Philippines Airlines plane kills one, injures six. Authorities learned that Ramzi Yousef planted the bomb as a test run for "Operation Bojinka."

1

1994

Dec

24

Algiers, Algeria Air France 8969 was hijacked by GIA (Armed Islamic Group). The terrorists planned to crash the plane into the Eiffel Tower in Paris.

7

1994

July

18

Buenos Aires, Argentina A powerful bomb made of ammonium nitrate was driven through the front gates of the seven-story Argentina-Israeli Mutual Association, leveling the building. The suicide bomber, Ibrahim Hussein Berro, a 29-year-old Shiite Muslim, has been honored with a plaque in southern Lebanon.

86

1994

July

19

Panama A Panamanian commuter plane exploded killing all aboard. A group based in Lebanon claimed the attack, but it is believe Hezbollah was responsible, with backing from Iran.

29

1995

Jan

6–7

Manila, Philippines Plans for "Operation Bojinka" were discovered on a laptop computer in Manila after an apartment fire. It was to be a large-scale attack on airliners in 1995, and was a precursor to the Sept 11 attacks. The plot was developed by Ramzi Yousef and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed while they were in Manila in 1994 and early 1995. Bombs were to be planted on 11 U.S.-bound airliners that had stopovers all around East Asia and Southeast Asia. The aircraft would have blown up over the Pacific and South China Sea almost simultaneously. If this plan worked, as many as 4000 would have perished and air travel would have been shut down worldwide.

0

1995

Nov

13

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia A car bomb exploded outside a joint HQ for U.S. and Saudi military. Three Islamic terror organizations claimed responsibility.

7

1995

Nov

19

Islamabad, Pakistan Egyptian Embassy was bombed.

19

1996

Dec

3

Paris, France A bomb exploded aboard a subway train killing four and injuring 86, including a U.S. citizen. No one claimed responsibility, but Algerian extremists were suspected.

4

1996

June

25

Dhahran, Saudi Arabia Fuel truck carrying a bomb exploded outside the U.S. military's Khobar Towers housing facility. The Saudi branch of Hezbollah was responsible.

19

1997

Nov

17

Luxor, Egypt Six gunmen emerged from desert cliffs into the Temple of Hatshepsut and opened fire with automatic weapons at dozens of tourists. The dead included Japanese, German, Swiss and Egyptian citizens.

71

1997

Sept

18

Cairo, Egypt Three men calmly walked up to a tourist bus outside the Egyptian Museum, pulled weapons from a plastic bag, and unleashed an attack that killed 10, at least seven of them German tourists. One gunman, Saber Mohammed Farhat Abu el-Ulla, had carried out a similar attack four years earlier, killing two Americans and a French citizen.

10

1998

Aug

7

Nairobi, Kenya & Dar-es-Salaam, Tanzania Twin truck bomb attacks against U.S. embassies. At least 225 dead and more than 4000 wounded.

225

1999

Jan

3

Islamabad, Pakistan Gunmen opened fire on Shi'a Muslims worshipping in a mosque.

16

1999

Dec

24

Kathmandu, Nepal Indian Airlines 814 was hijacked by Taliban agents.

1

1999

Aug

31

Moscow, Russia Multiple Russian apartment bombings by Chechen terrorists, killing at least 300.

300

2000

Oct

12

Aden, Yemen Boat bomb attack on the USS Cole.

17

2001

Dec

13

New Delhi, India

Terrorists attack Indian Parliament building. Laskhar-e-Taiba, a radical Islamic group (affiliated with Al Qaeda), was thought responsible. A terrorist arrested in connection with the attack told investigators Al Qaeda had plans to attack the British and Australian Embassies, and Parliament.

12

2001

Sept

11

New York, Virginia, Pennsylvania Hijacked planes crashed into the World Trade Center and Pentagon. A fourth crashed into a field in Pennsylvania. Nearly 3000 dead, including 265 on the planes; 343 firemen; 60 New York City and Port Authority police officers; 125 at the Pentagon.

2,985

2002

Oct

17–18

Zamboanga & Manila, Philippines

Two bombs exploded in the main shopping district of the mostly Christian city of Zamboanga. A day later, a bus was bombed in Manila. Jemaah Islamiyah, an Islamic extremist group affiliated with Al Qaeda, was responsible.

9

2002

Apr

11

Djerba, Tunisia Car bomb attack against a synagogue on the resort island of Djerba. At least 21 dead.

21

2002

June

14

Karachi, Pakistan Truck bomb attack against U.S. Consulate.

12

2002

May

9

Kaspiisk, Dagestan

A bomb explosion in kills at least 42 people and injures 130 or more during Victory Day festivities.

42

2002

Nov

28

Mombasa, Kenya Attack on an Israeli-owned hotel. Surface-to-air missile launched at Israeli airliner the same day.

12

2002

Oct

12

Bali, Indonesia Attacks against U.S. Consulate, Sari Club and Paddy's Bar. Most of the dead were Australian tourists.

202

2002

Oct

23

Moscow, Russia

Moscow theater hostage crisis begins; 120 hostages and 40 terrorists killed in rescue 3 days later.

160

2003

Apr

3

Russia

Chechen Islamists carry out 10 deadly suicide bombings across Russia and nearby provinces between Apr and Dec.

250

2003

Aug

19

Baghdad, Iraq

Canal Hotel Bombing (UN HQ) in Baghdad, Iraq kills 22 people including the top UN representative, Sergio Vieira de Mello.

22

2003

Aug

5

Indonesia Car bomb attack against Marriott Hotel. At least 12 dead.

12

2003

Aug

1

Mozdok, Russia

The Russian hospital in Mozdok, North Ossetia, was bombed.

50

2003

May

12

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia Attacks at three compounds housing non-Saudi workers. At least 30 dead. Al Qaeda was responsible.

30

2003

May

16

Casablanca, Morocco Multiple suicide bombings against Spanish and Jewish facilities, and involved 12 bombers and 5 targets. The Attack was attributed to a Moroccan Al Qaeda-linked group.

45

2003

May

12

Znamenskoye, Chechnya

Truck bomb attack on a government building.

59

2003

Nov

8

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia Car bomb attack against residential compound housing mainly workers from other Arab countries.

17

2003

Nov

15–20

Istanbul, Turkey Two car bomb attacks at Jewish synagogues, plus car bomb attacks at HSBC Bank and the British Consulate.

60

2004

Feb

1

Arbil, Iraq

Two suicide bombings kill 109 Kurds.

109

2004

Mar

2

Iraq

Known as the Ashoura Massacre, Al Qaeda carries out suicide bombings at Shia holy sites killing 181 and wounding over 500.

181

2004

Aug

24

Russia

Multiple, nearly simultaneous Russian airplane bombings.

90

2004

Aug

31

Moscow, Russia

Suicide bombing near a subway station entrance in northern Moscow.

10

2004

Dec

12

Gen. Santos, Philippines

Bombing at Christmas market in General Santos, Philippines.

15

2004

Feb

6

Moscow, Russia

Bomb on Moscow subway.

41

2004

Feb

27

Philippines

Superferry 14 was bombed by Abu Sayyaf group.

116

2004

Mar

11

Madrid, Spain Bomb attacks against four trains. Terrorists blew themselves up when confronted by police.

199

2004

May

1

Yanbu, Saudi Arabia Attack on non-Saudi oil workers.

7

2004

May

29

Al-Khobar, Saudi Arabia

Islamic terrorists kill 22 people at an oil compound in Saudi Arabia.

22

2004

Oct

8

Taba, Egypt Large explosions at Hilton Hotel in Taba and at two campsites in the Sinai area.

30

2004

Oct

7

Sinai, Egypt

Three car bombs explode in the Sinai Peninsula, killing at least 32 and wounding 114, most of them Israeli tourists.

32

2004

Sept

9

Jakarta, Indonesia Car bomb outside Australian Embassy.

9

2004

Sept

1–3

Beslan, North Ossetia, Russia

Beslan school hostage crisis in North Ossetia, Russia results in a massacre of children.

330

2004

Sept

9

Jakarta, Indonesia

The Australian embassy in Jakarta, Indonesia was bombed.

8

2005

July

7

London, England Four suicide bomb attacks in three tube trains and a bus. At least 56 dead.

56



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To: brazzaville
Good Afternoon.

Please reread my point #4. Geographic demarcations will not define this war. It is far more accurate to define it on the world views. The world views are incompatible.Islam demands subjugation or death. The western world view is one of tolerance. Those 2 world views cannot co-exist peacefully.
181 posted on 07/24/2005 3:02:58 PM PDT by Petruchio ( ... .--. .- -.-- / .- -. -.. / -. . ..- - . .-. / .. .-.. .-.. . --. .- .-.. / .- .-.. .. . -. ...)
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To: OXENinFLA

Thanks, OXEN.


182 posted on 07/24/2005 3:07:09 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Western Leftists have made common cause with the Islamofreaks.)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy
Please send this to Hugh Hewitt.

Nah.
That p***y would first wet himself, say "that's crazy", then fall all over himself assuring the sandmaggots that we know that most of them are "good" muslims.

183 posted on 07/24/2005 3:07:18 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: mercy

And Condi Rice is in Israel trying to set up another Islamikazi government, as if all of these evils had not happened. I have never met a single Palestinian who wanted to live under Palestinian rule, and all of them have suffered abuse under the Islamikazi rule of Arafat, and they are looking for some way out of there. Money had been stolen by Arafat that should have been used for the people in the Palestinian areas. I find this all unbelievable, and beyond comprehension.

Just when will enough be enough?


184 posted on 07/24/2005 3:10:53 PM PDT by tessalu
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To: higgmeister; Wolfstar; operation clinton cleanup; sageb1; Smartass; listenhillary; Mia T; ...
"I'd like to point out the hidden agenda of the liberal attitude. At some point the leftist intends to swoop in on his white horse and restore socialist order to the chaos they have surreptitiously perpetuated by regulating or outlawing all religion thereby bringing about their communist unity to the world."

That's their plan. You've got it exactly right. However it's "on HER white horse."

This is Hillary's plan precisely, and those of us who see it and understand it must do everything possible to prevent her socialist take-over of America. She should be deported, along with every militant "imam" spewing anti-American rhetoric in mosques all over America, because Hillary is equally as dangerous to the health and well being of this country.

Thanks for your post, Wolfstar.

Char

185 posted on 07/24/2005 3:12:30 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: FreedomCalls
That list is awesome.
For years I have been hoping that it were possible to assemble a chronological list of all Muslim Mass Murders since 1948. As good a date to start as any, although their unique approach to making friends predated the UN by at least a hundred years.

Now, if I can just somehow meld it with Wolfstar's table...

Incidentally, has anyone else picked up on the fact that the list is already obsolete?
The latest ROP atrocity on the vacation spot on the Red Sea is not listed.

186 posted on 07/24/2005 3:15:37 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: rockabyebaby
Boston has refused to start a bag search in the city's subway system because people are sreaming civil rights violations, shaking head rolling eyes, this makes me ill.

Not me. Why should it bother you at all?
Seems to me the people of Boston either agree that it's a problem, or die. It's their choice.

187 posted on 07/24/2005 3:18:26 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: hershey
There wouldn't be enough room to list all the attacks on Israel.

All the more reason to include them.
That tiny country has suffered far out of proportion to their threat to Islam.

188 posted on 07/24/2005 3:20:43 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: OXENinFLA
Good post!


A bona fide World War
189 posted on 07/24/2005 3:23:42 PM PDT by Gucho
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To: layman
but they never so much as sent me an Email saying 'no thanks'.

You don't expect them to waste their time, do you?

Don't you realize how long it would take to train you to avoid all the thousands of things that you must not do to upset the ROP?

Get real. Organizing ourselves allow us to chuck all the BS. And the bureaucrats can interfere at their own risk.

190 posted on 07/24/2005 3:24:49 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: Wolfstar; CHARLITE
There are several reasons that these attacks are taking place.
1.) Islamic terrorists are virulently anti-semetic. They hate us because of our support of Israel.

2.) They hate individual liberty. Historically, Islamic society is based entirely on coercion. Individuals, families, clans, and communities are based on peoples' lives being pawns in the hands of a few cruel, arrogant people on pedestals. Exposure to our ideas threatens the power bases of these chieftans.

3.) Islamic culture is essentially nihilistic in nature. They kill and destroy at the drop of a hat. But, other than their architecture, they have very little technical or artistic achievement to show for their lives.

4.) Widespread lack of basic education. In many cases, the only schools available to children are run by terrorists and their supporters, who use this to poison their students minds with propoganda.

5.) Corruption and exploitation of the powerless, which is related to the previous two reasons, is a regular part of their culture. Too many people are powerless to better their livelihoods without facing violence. They become embittered, frustrated, and angry, and suceptible to the propaganda by those who benefit the most from keeping them powerless.
191 posted on 07/24/2005 3:27:04 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Mike DeWine for retirement, John Kasich for Senate)
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To: Peach
Dear Peach,
That is a terrible thing that you do, dangling the minimal parts of a fascinating story without giving us enough facts to dig out the complete story.

What time frame? What area of the country? This lady has *****. The world consists of talkers and doers. This woman is obviously a doer. Her opinion, as an example, is worth the opinion of 10,000 Danes (with apologies to the people of Denmark, I am aware that your flag has the proper symbol, but you have exported some doozies!)

192 posted on 07/24/2005 3:34:24 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Brilliant analysis. You're right on all of your points.

Now, how to end this 1,400 history of appalling human subjugation for the benefit of a few potentates? How do we "demand" that they end their "educational system" (grooming children to become homicidal killers)?

Personally, I agree with Ali Sina [http://www.faithfreedom.org] who says that Islam in its entirety must be eradicated from the face of the earth.

That's the solution. I don't quite see the process, however, although President Bush's idea of leading these antiquated, corrupt dictatorial systems to democracy is one way of eradicating Islam. I'm rather impatient, though, with the "go slow" policy which could take tens of thousands more innocent lives over 2 generations.

A few doses of "shock and awe" in the right islamic hotbed locations could speed the process along and finally end what has been a scourge to humanity for 1,400 years.

Thanks for your excellent analysis.

Char (:

193 posted on 07/24/2005 3:36:13 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: Publius6961

fair enough


194 posted on 07/24/2005 3:36:46 PM PDT by rang1995 (They will love us when we win)
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To: tessalu
Money had been stolen by Arafat that should have been used for the people in the Palestinian areas.

Abbas is no better; the last $20 mil the US gave Abbas immediately after Arafat's death to use some to pay Israel for utilities. The rest was put to very good use, indeed. (/sarc.off)

The Abbas government has the equivalent of our House and Senate. Every member of the House got a brand new Audi A4 and every member of the Senate got a brand new Audi A6!!

PS. I read this at the time and can't supply a link.

195 posted on 07/24/2005 3:36:47 PM PDT by melancholy (Quiz: Name ONE country, other than the USA, that doesn’t control its borders.)
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To: Publius6961

Keep reading, Publius6961. I found the article and posted more details. It's one of the most fascinating articles I've read in a long time and I'd love to see a similar effort, in a coordinated way, sponsored and taught by our government.


196 posted on 07/24/2005 3:37:16 PM PDT by Peach
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To: Wolfstar
My point, for those who wish only to focus on Israel's struggles (or on our invasion of Iraq), is that the problem is far older and more extensive.

You miss the point entirely. The object of the exercise ough not to be how conveniently short we can make the list of muslim atrocities; rather how complete we can make it. Excluding Israel is a slap in the face to the thousands of her dead; worse, in my opinion, than "focusing" on her alone.

For my purposes, I will assemble a nuclear strike (rhetorically speaking) to the next imbecile, muslim or flying monkey who asks, "What about Timothy McVeigh?"

For that purpose alone, this thread is a rare jewel.

197 posted on 07/24/2005 3:51:17 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: Wolfstar

You took a piece out of context. That is a tactic that the Democrats have a monopoly on.

Post #80 had a theme--all phrases and sentences are part of that theme.


198 posted on 07/24/2005 3:55:06 PM PDT by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority is Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . Our nation #64.)
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To: Windsong
There is no vendetta from Israel. Muslims live in Israel, after 1947 Isreal founded schools and hired inmans to teach them -- the vile ones had run out on the poor muslims.

I bet you know that, too. Yet how many Jews live in Saudi Arabia? Millions of Jews were expelled from Muslim-oriented or Arab states -- many before 1947, too. Iraq comes to mind. Iraq had a huge Jewish population before the 1920's.

Jew are peace-lovers. And I bet you know that too.

There is NO Jewish vendetta against Muslims -- there is only a will to survive. And there IS -- post 1920's -- a real strain, a deep and wide strain, too -- of Muslim hate against Jews and Christians.

So while the list of terrorist incidents in Israel given above starts after 1947, better that it go back to 1920 or so. Hebron. The massacre.

And at that hideous massacre, evidently planned by the Muslim Mufti of Jerusalem -- a number of good Muslims took the side of the Jews, and protected the few survivors with sword in hand.

There are good Muslims. But the vile ones have the power and the moment.

199 posted on 07/24/2005 4:00:07 PM PDT by bvw
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Thanks, and a dread thanks that is, for too many names and dates ... all sad.


200 posted on 07/24/2005 4:02:46 PM PDT by bvw
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