ACLU pushes state on Quran oaths

News Record ^ | 14-July-05 | Eric Collins

[Jay777]

GREENSBORO — The ACLU of North Carolina on Monday accused state court officials of not responding quickly enough to a controversy involving the use of the Quran for courtroom oaths.

The group’s legal foundation is calling on the state Administrative Office of the Courts to adopt a policy allowing the Quran and other religious texts for oath-taking in North Carolina courtrooms.

A Greensboro Muslim group has been waiting for an AOC decision for three weeks after Guilford County’s two top judges decided that Muslims could not legally take an oath on the Quran.

“We think they are dragging their feet,” said Jennifer Rudinger, the state ACLU’s executive director.

Her group, along with a Washington-based Islamic civil rights organization and Greensboro-area religious leaders, has called on the AOC to act. The ACLU wrote a formal letter to the state agency June 28 but has received no word back.

An AOC spokesman on Monday denied that the agency was dawdling. Dick Ellis said a judicial conference last month and vacation schedules have kept key decision-makers from working on the issue.

“Nobody has had time to do that around here,” he said.

Informally, Ellis said, most of the agency’s lawyers feel the issue should be resolved by legislators.

[Fruit of the Spirit]

It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the Clintons have written a bible and that the ACLU wants the Clinton bible to replace the Christian Bible. </sarcasm>

[DoughtyOne]

Yeah, oopsie...

[Alouette]

I think swearing oaths on a Bible or any religious text should be abolished. Maybe many years ago when most people were actually G-D fearing their oath would mean something.

I think a witness or any deponent should be made to state a disclaimer in which they are made to understand that perjury is a crime for which they can be prosecuted.

[DoughtyOne]

LOL...

In the USA of today, this makes perfect sense.

[Argus]

Would that be the same Koran that says it's okay to lie to infidels?

[Alouette]

ACLU: Atheists, Communists & Liars Unlimited

[TAquinas]

"The ACLU won't stop until Christianity is destroyed."

You nailed it, DoughtyOne.

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks. I'd like to take credit, but I'm sure there are some rather intelligent first graders that are already aware of it. LOL

[Voir Dire]

Good thinking!
It's a tactical step to removing the Bible from the court later down the road.

[aomagrat]

I'll use the quran when the courthouse restroom is out of toilet paper.

[RedBeaconNY]

I must disagree with you concerning swearing on the Bible. I feel that it is an important part of our national heritage, and should be treated as such. America was founded as a predominantly God-fearing Christian society. We swear on the Bible because it is one thing that most people at least have some respect for. Who are we to break that tradition of swearing on our most important religious text? What good will come of such an act as abolishing the practice of taking an oath on the Bible? The answer: Nothing. What will we lose? We draw ever nearer to the description of the last days found in 2 Timothy 3:1-5... 1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, , blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Now, that description is just a little bit scary. Notice the bolded phrases. Doesn't our repealing the necessity to swear on the Bible bring us closer to that? Doesn't it cast us as too proud to rely on God? Smarter, more powerful, highminded perhaps? I don't want to be charged with that, now or ever.

[milford421]

An excellent point.

[Alouette]

I feel that it is an important part of our national heritage, and should be treated as such. America was founded as a predominantly God-fearing Christian society.

Along with the tradition of swearing on the Bible also came the option of affirming an oath without swearing. There were, and still are, some Christian sects who believe that swearing an oath could be "taking the Lord's name in vain." These people were allowed to take what was then called the "Quaker oath" (when Quakers were still G-D fearing Christians and not the politically-correct leftist saps they are today).

[Jay777]

You are all invited to come to our chat on Friday nights from 8 p.m. EST till whenever.

http://www.stoptheaclu.com

[Paleo Conservative]

What about a Koran bound in pig skin?

[RedBeaconNY]

I'm aware of the Quaker oath, but to claim a need to abolish swearing on the Bible is ridiculous all the same.

BTW, can you cite any examples of Christian sects today who believe that swearing an oath is 'taking the Lord's name in vain'? Just curious.

[NYer]

The ACLU of North Carolina on Monday accused state court officials of not responding quickly enough to a controversy involving the use of the Quran for courtroom oaths.

I'm conjecturing here but .... IMHO .... the ultimate goal of this is to move the states in enacting the Mulsim Sharia law. You know this one - caught stealing, your hand is severed. There is far more to this than meets the eye.

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[Fiddlstix]

Click the Pic J

[wagglebee]

You know this one - caught stealing, your hand is severed.

But, they're such peaceful people...

A man convicted of theft being flogged in front of a crowd of thousands in Bara, Pakistan. Afterwards five more people convicted of crimes ranging from kidnapping to car theft were also flogged by the Tanzeem Ulema organisation of religious scholars in Pakistan (1992).

[B Knotts]

Well, the goal of the Mohammedans, perhaps.

But, the goal of the Anti-Christian Lawyers Unlimited is simply to oppose Christianity, at all times.

They probably figure they can get Bible oaths abolished by pushing for this.