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Tenn. teen jailed for burning U.S. flag
AP ^ | 7/15/5

Posted on 07/15/2005 12:37:23 PM PDT by SmithL

A teenager was jailed for nine days after being accused of burning an American flag on the Fourth of July, and he faces trial next month.

While the case could test a state statute against flag burning - an act the U.S. Supreme Court says is protected under the First Amendment - prosecutors said Andrew Elisha Staley has yet to argue that he was exercising free speech rights.

"Bottom line is, the kid got drunk," said Lisa Lee, his mother. "He's never been in trouble before."

Staley, 18, is accused of taking the flag from a residence and setting it on fire. His father said the teenager "has no reason for anger against the United States" and could easily have ignited a garbage can instead of a flag.

"He was brought up in church, and he knows right from wrong," Doc Staley said.

Doc Staley said his son has been "floundering around" since dropping out of high school. "This is where the drinking came in. And he's not very good at it," the father said.

The teenager was released from jail Thursday on his own recognizance while he awaits his Aug. 2 trial on charges of desecrating a venerated object, underage drinking, littering, evading arrest, burning personal property and theft.

The Tennessee flag-burning statute makes the crime a misdemeanor, punishable by less than a year in jail and up to $2,500 fine.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; americahaters; bushhaters; constitutionalrights; dropouts; dumbideas; excusesexcuses; firstamendment; flagburner; flagburning; freespeech; hooligans; jackass; oldglory; sorelosers; youngandstoopid
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1 posted on 07/15/2005 12:37:24 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL
One question: is it legal in Tennessee to burn a flag if one does it per National Flag Foundation Recommended Ceremonies?

If one may burn the flag in reverence, but not do so in defiance, then it is not the act that is outlawed, but the attitude.

And that, my friends, runs directly counter to the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America.

2 posted on 07/15/2005 12:40:48 PM PDT by Prime Choice (I have to keep my expectations low. I can't fake looking impressed.)
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To: SmithL
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3 posted on 07/15/2005 12:41:56 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: SmithL

Hang 'em High ~ Bump!


4 posted on 07/15/2005 12:41:59 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: SmithL
Staley, 18, is accused of taking the flag from a residence and setting it on fire.

Charge him with arson. I doubt the owner of the flag wanted it burned.

5 posted on 07/15/2005 12:42:19 PM PDT by SolidSupplySide
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To: SmithL
Staley, 18,

While I guess he technically IS a teen still, I bet the headline would have been different if he burned a koran. They would have probably called him a "man".

6 posted on 07/15/2005 12:42:19 PM PDT by jtminton (Help stop second hand rap!)
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To: Prime Choice

Totally agree my friend. :-)


7 posted on 07/15/2005 12:42:34 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: SmithL
"This is where the drinking came in. And he's not very good at it," the father said.

Kid drank and got drunk. How would you have him improve upon that, dear old dad?

8 posted on 07/15/2005 12:42:59 PM PDT by green iguana
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...is accused of taking the flag from a residence and setting it on fire.

Sounds like theft and arson to me.

...his Aug. 2 trial on charges of desecrating a venerated object, underage drinking, littering, evading arrest, burning personal property and theft.

Let him skate on the "flag burning" and give him the max on the underage drinking, littering, evading arrest, burning personal property and theft. Sounds reasonable to me!

9 posted on 07/15/2005 12:43:54 PM PDT by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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Bottom line is, the kid got drunk," said Lisa Lee, his mother. "He's never been in trouble before."

He's 18, drops out of school, is an underage drinker, burns the flag...but hes not a troublemaker just plain stupid
10 posted on 07/15/2005 12:44:10 PM PDT by boxerblues
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To: Prime Choice

I agree that banning flag burning is a dumb idea. I want the anti-American idiots to show themselves to the rest of us without forcing them to go underground.


11 posted on 07/15/2005 12:44:20 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SolidSupplySide

ACLU: "We argue before the Supreme Court that it is a person's right to burn ANYONE's American Flag, whether they like it or not..."


12 posted on 07/15/2005 12:44:41 PM PDT by frogjerk
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To: SmithL
Vandalism by a drunken teenager, not exactly out of the ordinary. Get him for underage drinking, vandalism, and make him replace the flag, it doesn't require a team of lawyers.
13 posted on 07/15/2005 12:46:24 PM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: Prime Choice
Agreed.

Often enough, there are enough auxillary offenses to charge the offender with.

This teen is going to pay enough, without the flag burning statue.

14 posted on 07/15/2005 12:46:56 PM PDT by mlstier ("Abortion is not a choice. It's changing ones mind.")
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To: Prime Choice

Burning a flag - or any other article - is not protected by any provision of the U.S. Constitution. The 1st Amendment protects SPEECH. Acts are not speech, regardless of the 9 lawyers on SCOTUS.

It appears this lad stole private property and destroyed it. THAT is a crime. If I burn my own flag, it's my property and I can do with it as I want - 4th Amendment - unless I violate the higher law of environmental desecration. (sarcasm)


15 posted on 07/15/2005 12:49:04 PM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (In all things give thanks, for this is the will of God for you in Christ Jesus.)
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To: Prime Choice

I believe that the proper way to dispose of a worn out flag is to cut it in a specified way. This makes it no longer a flag and then disposal of the remaining cloth is proper.
IMHO


16 posted on 07/15/2005 12:49:37 PM PDT by Stark_GOP
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To: SmithL
The teenager was released from jail Thursday on his own recognizance while he awaits his Aug. 2 trial on charges of desecrating a venerated object, underage drinking, littering, evading arrest, burning personal property and theft.

Desecrating a venerated object? What are we placing our flag next to?

Throw the book at him for all the other charges, but the flag burning should be legal.

17 posted on 07/15/2005 12:50:11 PM PDT by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: Realism

Maybe if his parents stopped making excuses for him and gave him the choices I had when I was floundering around. The Military or College or the Door.


18 posted on 07/15/2005 12:50:24 PM PDT by Tsunamii
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To: SmithL
"There is all the difference in the world between defending the right to desecrate the flag and defending flag desecration itself. It is the the difference between a free society and an unfree society."


Roger Pilon - THE CATO INSTITUTE

Director of constitutional studies

In testimony to a congressional committee

May 23, 1999
19 posted on 07/15/2005 12:52:06 PM PDT by Protagoras (Now that the frog is fully cooked, how would you like it served?)
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To: SmithL
"This is where the drinking came in. And he's not very good at it,"

Sounds like he's pretty good at it to me.

20 posted on 07/15/2005 12:52:10 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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