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A little birdie told me what the Rove thing is all about.

Posted on 07/14/2005 1:50:45 PM PDT by Pukin Dog

Don’t ask me, because you know I won’t tell you how I came across this information.

Here is the scoop.

This is all about the Supreme Court.

With the knowledge that Rove was Matthew Cooper’s background source regarding the Plame incident, no matter the fact that no laws were broken, the Democrats leaped upon the matter as a way for Democrats and the MSM to possibly prevent Bush from changing the makeup of the Supreme Court. Under normal circumstances, Democrats cannot stop Bush from reshaping the Supreme Court, and that has Democrats terrified. They cannot sustain a Filibuster without Frist invoking the Nuclear Option on them, so they only have one last option, which is now underway.

The Democrats must demonize Bush to the degree that they can then begin their long-awaited impeachment articles, with the MSM in tow. If Congress can introduce articles of impeachment against Bush, then the MSM will demand that Bush postpone any nominations to the Supreme Court until the matter is decided. It is the only hope they have left of preventing a Conservative Supreme Court from taking hold, and if they do not accomplish this, the flow of money into Democratic coffers will stop instantaneously.

Next week, you will begin to hear Democrats suggesting that if Bush does not fire Karl Rove, then he is guilty of “Obstruction of Justice” and “Lying to the American People” in order to protect a friend. The Media will play along dutifully, because it was there idea in the first place.

Forget about Judith Miller.

Because the Special Prosecutor has asked the White House not to discuss the matter, no one will be able to inform Miller or the NY Times on how Miller should lie to save herself. Without that knowledge, the Times will not let her testify at all. They are paying her to be silent, and it is they who are actually guilty of ‘Obstruction of Justice’ Miller knows who the leaker is, and you all know who I believe that person to be.

What you all are about to see, is the most coordinated, vicious attack ever in the history of Politics against this administration, because those involved have everything at stake. Without control of the Supreme Court, the Liberal agenda is dead for the next 30-40 years. All of their Environmental nonsense, Abortion, Private Property, Affirmative Action and Civil Rights issues go right down the tubes.

The Bush Administration is aware of what is to come, and might be able to prevent it with a little ‘inside baseball’ but the looniest on the left will attempt this no matter what the outcome.

Expect editorials next week, arguing whether or not it is fair for a president who “stole the first election” and won the second election by the “smallest margin of any incumbent President” who is “embroiled in a National Security Scandal” to be deciding on the makeup of the Supreme Court. At the same time, Liberal Senators will begin to suggest that Conformation hearings on anyone Bush selects should be postponed until the investigations are over. Unfortunately for our side, they have an alley in one Arlen Specter. They will be leaning heavily on him to go along with delayed hearings. Specter is already angry with Bush over the Stem-cell research issue.

Will it work? No. Why? Because Bush understands the law, and also understands (with Rove’s help) that no matter how loud and long the Democrats scream, they and the MSM really cant do anything about the Supreme Court, but can effect public opinion. Bush, by telling Republicans to shut up about his choice, has set precedent for when he tells (by his Supreme Court selections) the Democrats the same thing. If he ignores both sides, he can just choose who he wants, and that is exactly what he will do.

So get ready for an ugly, ugly Summer and Fall. Don’t expect to hear much from Bush on Rove, or the Courts after he makes his selections. Republicans in Congress will also be silent (except Specter and Hagel) and will not risk their own re-elections and legacies to side with Democrats this time round.

So there it is, take it or leave it. I wont answer any questions about how or where I got the information, so don’t ask me.

-PD


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To: Howlin
Congratulations, you've out-sillied yourself.
321 posted on 07/14/2005 4:57:24 PM PDT by iconoclast (If you only read ONE book this year, make sure it's Colonel David Hunt's !!!)
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To: iconoclast
If Bush has even a remembrance of his testicles, he should tell Karl not to let the door hit him the in ass on his way out!

That'd be about as smart as appeasing terrorists. The terrorists take apeasment as a sign of weakness and just get nastier, and so would the Dems.

Rove didn't break the law. End of story.

322 posted on 07/14/2005 4:57:26 PM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: Pukin Dog; Howlin

Soon they will start eating their young.......silly Rats...


323 posted on 07/14/2005 4:59:00 PM PDT by marmar (Even though I may look different then you...my blood runs red, white and blue.....)
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To: iconoclast

I'll put you down under the "Facts Bore Me" column.


324 posted on 07/14/2005 5:00:36 PM PDT by Howlin (Who is Judith Miller covering up for?)
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To: iconoclast

You know, if you wear thongs long enough, they will cut off vital oxygen flow to your brain.


325 posted on 07/14/2005 5:00:47 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: coloradan
If Plame wasn't an active, covert agent, the leak wasn't illegal.

To my knowledge Mr. Bush had never put the "illegal" qualification on leaks .... he simply forbade them ALL with a very strong suggestion that the wrath of God awaited the violator(s).

326 posted on 07/14/2005 5:04:47 PM PDT by iconoclast (If you only read ONE book this year, make sure it's Colonel David Hunt's !!!)
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To: King Prout
"Charlite - PING!",br>

Thanks for the PING, King Prout. As I've said on about 3 different threads now, Judith Miller has a reputation of being a canary all around Washington, D.C. She is known for her propensity for singing, so she could very well be her own "source" and was too embarrassed to come clean, so chose to play the victim instead.

Miller has squealed before, tipped off Islamic "charities" that they were about to be raided, etc.

My guess is that she's a major player in all of this. She's probably the one who leaked the information to Scooter Libby who naturally would have passed it along to Karl Rove who still didn't know Plame's name, nor the fact that she had been under cover at one time, ending that gig in 1997.........and so forth.

What is utterly off-the-wall OUTRAGEOUS about this whole thing is that Rove was trying to assist Cooper, doing him a professional favor so that he wouldn't "go out on a limb" and make a fool of himself by printing a false story!

Thanks again for the heads-up on this thread, King Prout!

Char :)

327 posted on 07/14/2005 5:05:10 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: iconoclast
1) The overly-cocky Rove committed the unpardonable, mortal (Bush) sin of LEAKING!

How could Rove "leak" something that apparently was told to him by a reporter? A "leak" is something that comes from a government employee TO a reporter, not the other way round.

2) Bush clearly stated (unless you allow Clinton like qualifications) that the leaker would be CANNED!

No Clinton tricks required. Bush said he'd "take care of" someone who broke the law. Rove didn't break the law. End of story.

You should quit listening to the MSM. It will warp your brain.

328 posted on 07/14/2005 5:06:02 PM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: iconoclast

Maybe you're right about this, maybe you're not. Even if you were right, it only addresses my point #1 out of 3. What do you say about #2 and #3?


329 posted on 07/14/2005 5:06:25 PM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: RobFromGa; Pukin Dog
I, too, doubt an Impeachment Ploy, because proceeding with that in the House requires a majority vote in Committee and a majority vote in the whole House, neither of which the Democrats can achieve.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column: "Hi Ho, Hi Ho, It's Off to Jail I Go"

330 posted on 07/14/2005 5:06:29 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Will President Bush appoint a Justice who obeys the Constitution? I give 65-35 odds on yes.)
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To: Pukin Dog

Some of this is true but I think you have over-dramatized the various outcomes and consequences.

Essentially the RATS have used the VN playbook to oppose Bush on Iraq and now they will drag out the watergate playbook to see if they can throw some mud on Bush with regard to the Rove/Wilson/Plame nonsense. I don't need any birdies to tell me that.

Of course the MSM will go along with the RATS - they did then, they are doing so now and will do so in the future.

And of course the SC is a big stakes political game at this moment.

I think you are largely correct but some of what you say is overblown - the left's agenda is dead for the next 30-40 years if Bush gets 1 or 2 SC appts? - I don't think so.


331 posted on 07/14/2005 5:07:01 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: iconoclast
To my knowledge Mr. Bush had never put the "illegal" qualification on leaks .... he simply forbade them ALL with a very strong suggestion that the wrath of God awaited the violator(s).

The term "leak" is when some idiot talks out of school in an administration against the bosses desires. Rove was talking to Cooper, as is his job to do, and told him what he understood about the case. That isn't a "leak", except in the eyes of the MSM who are playing gotcha with Bush. He's just not playing back.

Get a grip.

332 posted on 07/14/2005 5:09:18 PM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: Pukin Dog

Thanks....but Im a worry wort...Im not happy unless I have something to worry about...this according to my hubby....


333 posted on 07/14/2005 5:09:23 PM PDT by mystery-ak (The real Supreme Court meets up here...God)
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To: narby
Rove didn't break the law. End of story

He broke BUSH'S LAW ... we all were aware of it.

Who did Karl think he was to ignore it?

334 posted on 07/14/2005 5:09:38 PM PDT by iconoclast (If you only read ONE book this year, make sure it's Colonel David Hunt's !!!)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Nope. The Bush Administration will make a total of four appointments to the Supreme Court. Five, if Scalia moves up to Chief Justice.

John / Billybob

335 posted on 07/14/2005 5:11:03 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Will President Bush appoint a Justice who obeys the Constitution? I give 65-35 odds on yes.)
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To: Pukin Dog

This connects lots of dots, but I think that there are still some missing and the picture has yet to be completed.


336 posted on 07/14/2005 5:11:06 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Arpege92
That's looney. It also won't happen, so it isn't worth bothering about commenting about it.
337 posted on 07/14/2005 5:13:53 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: ScreamingFist

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338 posted on 07/14/2005 5:15:30 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Ignorance)
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To: iconoclast
Go post to DU; that's what your posts look like anyway.

Rove IS brilliant. You, OTOH...are more like Wilson and Schumer.

339 posted on 07/14/2005 5:15:55 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: coloradan
What's up with Miller and the NY Slimes? They asked for an investigation, and now their own reporter sits in jail for failure to testify before a grand jury. Gee, do you suppose Plame (or Wilson) told Miller of Plame's employment, and then Miller told Rove, who then told Novak? This scenario explains at least two things: Why Rove and Bush are so confident, and why Miller refuses to testify.

This is the reason why I'm confident this whole mess is BS. There no way that Rove can Millers "source", because he's very publicly permitted her to give any testimony about their conversations she want's. I've seen stories about how the Times now want's this investigation halted, apparently to get Millers ass out of a jamb. I really suspect they're putting the heat on Rove merely to get the administration to push for a halt in the investigation so they won't be embarrased any further.

That must be why Rove was so happy this morning. He knows where this is going, and it's all good for him and bad for the NYTimes.

340 posted on 07/14/2005 5:16:55 PM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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