Posted on 07/10/2005 9:19:10 PM PDT by CHARLITE
The slaughter in London is another grisly wake-up call that likely will go as unheeded as earlier ones. Already the standard narrative is being trotted out: evildoers created by what the New York Times predictably called the “root causes of terrorism”: autocracy, or economic stagnation, or Palestinian suffering, or globalization's dislocations, or Western historical sins, or the war in Iraq (the cause will depend on the political prejudices of the pundit) have “hijacked” Islam and distorted its peaceful message.
And now they are using Islam to justify murder in order to further their own ambitions or dysfunctional psychic needs. Given this explanation, so the story goes, we must be careful not to demonize all Muslims and assure them that we respect their religion and culture. The tale is then wrapped up with fierce threats against the terrorists and protestations of admiration for Islam.
Believing this delusion requires that one ignores fourteen centuries of Islamic jihad against the West, a war of conquest and colonization ratified by centuries of Islamic theology and jurisprudence. Indeed, what we call Islamic radicals are in fact Islamic traditionalists; it is the so-called “moderates” — those wanting to compromise Islam so it can coexist with Western ideas such as secular government, separation of church and state, and human rights — who are the radicals and innovators.
The terrorists are simply fulfilling the traditional and orthodox command of their religion to battle the infidels who resist the revelation of Mohammed and the global socio-political order mandated by Islam.
Listen to one of the most respected and influential of Muslim clerics, Sheikh Yousef Al-Qaradhawi, on the legitimacy of jihad:
(Excerpt) Read more at victorhanson.com ...
However, treason has been difficult to prove, as one must have two witnesses. Pretty hard to prove that with a terrorist cell.
I also would isolate them from other prisoners, so that they can't stir up trouble. That is perfectly reasonable. Furthermore, I would screen Islamic ministers who recruit in prisons. I don't think all of those guys are on the up and up.
Agreed. Welcome, John Filson, to our gritty [not so] little band of loyal American conservatives. Nobody will ever confuse us with the FR quisling contingent.
Who is the FR quisling contingent?
VDH bump!
Welcome aboard!
You're right. It's a technique used throughout the middle east...
Watch the immigration-related threads. The quisling contingent is quite easy to identify. They always take a pro-illegal stance, adopt the attack mode very quickly, and engage in racebaiting whenever they're cornered or outed.
If you want to test any of the FOQNAs yourself, just ask them one simple question which requires a yes or no answer: "Loyal American conservatives believe in defending American sovereignty, protected and secure borders, and the preservation of American culture, customs, traditions and language. These are the values of loyal American conservatives. Are they yours?"
Like a vampire fleeing the sign of the cross, they will either bail out of the thread entirely, attack you, deny and stonewall, or, as one quisling tried to do, toss out something like "family values" which, of course, is not a responsive answer whatsoever, but merely a weak attempt to sound patriotic and conservative. Quislings are neither.
Thank you for the information.
Self ping
"I think the inability for these fair weather 'patriots' to process that question is more terrifying than the terrorists."
This bears repeating, John. The lack of comprehension of the fact that this is all-out war is stunning. What needs to be done is a massive blow similar to the way in which Harry "Give 'Em Hell" Truman brought the War in the Pacific to an end - quickly......and yes, brutally. But in the end, it saved both American and enemy lives and terminated "The Empire of Japan."
What if we could end islamofascism by obliterating Mecca, Medina, selected sites all over Iran, plus - say - Damascus? Would THAT impress jihadists? Would THAT give them "pause?"
Thanks for your always astute comments, John.
Char :)
You know what's ironic? There were stories about how inmates were being recruited by Muslims, years ago. I thought it was great. Give them a disciplined religion, and maybe they'll turn their lives around. Hahahahahaaa!
We're going to have to change things in this country, and fast. Is deportation good enough? Unfortunately our good friends at the ACLU and the UN will defend these terrorist scumbags, even as bombs are going off in their headquarters. Look at the one eyed terrorist, Mohammed Atta, well I think that's his name. Look how long he's been in prison. Look at all the fools whining about his imprisonment. That's all we'll hear when we start cleaning house. Oh, and then there's the courts : (
Maybe we can charge them with war crimes. By creating terrorist cells, and preaching for our destruction, it could come under an act of war, and of course treason. I'm sure they can come up with ways to get a couple of witnesses.
We have a problem in that many of the solutions that you would like to take will be struck down by the courts. Unless we have another terrorist attack, the public isn't ready for any draconian measures. That is reality.
FYI. Check out #122
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TITLE 50 > CHAPTER 3 > § 21. Restraint, regulation, and removal
Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies. The President is authorized in any such event, by his proclamation thereof, or other public act, to direct the conduct to be observed on the part of the United States, toward the aliens who become so liable; the manner and degree of the restraint to which they shall be subject and in what cases, and upon what security their residence shall be permitted, and to provide for the removal of those who, not being permitted to reside within the United States, refuse or neglect to depart therefrom; and to establish any other regulations which are found necessary in the premises and for the public safety.
Brilliant post, philman!
Al qaeda's American Farm team, aka the Black Muslims/al Fuqra have been recruiting black recruits in our prisons via our tax $'s for at least 2 decades.
It didn't even penetrate my conscienciousness, back when I first heard about the recruitment in the late '80's. I've always been a live and let live kind of person. I thought this could be beneficial to the criminals serving their sentences. I bought the whole peaceful Islam propaganda, wholesale : (
Now I want them the hell out of this country. A loyalty oath is completely useless, when their way of life dictates that they may/must lie to non Muslims.
Yes of course, the courts are our main problem. They've been our main problem for generations. The public is too cowed by PC, to talk openly about how they feel about this issue. Many people don't even realize that they are in danger. They assume Big Nanny is making their security a priority. Surely there is a quiet way of taking care of this problem, without disturbing the sheep.
Reality is a really nasty attack, which will decimate cities. Reality is when the sheep will still bleat and protest in favor of the terrorists, even after such an occurance.
"Reality is a really nasty attack, which will decimate cities. Reality is when the sheep will still bleat and protest in favor of the terrorists, even after such an occurance."
The left coast uber liberals hate America, Republicans and GW so much, they are incapable of ever bad mouthing the Jihadists who would kill all of us, including the liberals.
You are right. They'd willingly be slaughtered, than fight for their own country. Millions of Rachel Corries endangering the rest of us, while trying to prevent us from implementing national security. Can we deport them, too???
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