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Camden Dad Rages (Father of one of the boys who suffocated in car trunk)
New York Post ^ | 6/27/05 | JOHN DOYLE and CYNTHIA R. FAGEN

Posted on 06/27/2005 6:58:32 AM PDT by Conservatrix

The grieving dad of the 11-year-old mentally troubled New Jersey boy who suffocated in a car trunk with two younger pals blames the state's social-services agency, saying it should have put his son in a facility where he could have gotten help.

"If he would have been put in a safe place, this wouldn't have happened. The child needed a lot of help," Anibal Cruz Sr. said yesterday. -snip-" [The division] did nothing," Cruz said. "Why didn't they lock the baby somewhere safe? When kids need help, they have to help them."

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: agosto; blameeveryoneelse; boys; camden; camdencounty; irrationality; irresponsibility; nannystate
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To: antiunion person

I agree. She is a hispanic woman. If those boys had been under the care of a white male, or even a white woman, there WOULD be charges.

But here we go again with keeping people on the plantation (or in this case, bringing some new people in along with the original slaves). These people are being treated like babies with no responsibility and this is the way they act. And we perpetuate it with our coddling and cooing.

Well, a nursing mother doesn't like it when there is no baby to suck out her milk...NannyState needs our help...


121 posted on 06/27/2005 9:31:02 PM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: Coleus

Indeed. How many of us would have NOT looked in the trunk of a car? I think eventually we all would have.

I think this has a lot to do with affirmative action hiring in public service jobs.


122 posted on 06/27/2005 9:32:14 PM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: Bossy Gillis

Exactly. Why else would someone have a problem with somebody insulting a dead kid?


123 posted on 06/27/2005 9:32:50 PM PDT by stands2reason (GINOBILI and HORRY are my MVPS!!!)
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To: Bossy Gillis

Your posts on this thread are a disgrace.


124 posted on 06/27/2005 9:33:05 PM PDT by fatima (Make a move and the Bunny gets it.-Guess what movie)
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To: antiunion person

BTW I HATE the word "parenting". Parenting is something you "do" to a child. Blech.

I am a MOTHER. I like MOTHERING my children.


125 posted on 06/27/2005 9:33:56 PM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: stinkerpot65
I can remember going outside and roaming the woods from sunup to sundown in the summer. Kids can't do that anymore.

All we had to do was be home before the streetlights were fully on...of course, most Moms didn't work then so there were eyes and ears on us, even when we didn't know it. You are right...can't let kids roam like that now. Pity. When did it all go wrong...
126 posted on 06/27/2005 9:35:36 PM PDT by hummingbird ("The world needs more Steel Magnolias like Beth Holloway.")
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To: BraveMan

Sorry for the loss of your child.


127 posted on 06/27/2005 9:35:43 PM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: justshutupandtakeit
They had probably fallen asleep or suffocated prior to that. Though it is surprizing that a trunk would be that airtight.

A quick rising temperature could have been a factor, too.
128 posted on 06/27/2005 9:37:05 PM PDT by hummingbird ("The world needs more Steel Magnolias like Beth Holloway.")
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To: hummingbird
When did it all go wrong...

I don't know except perhaps when we 1. started releasing mentally ill institutionalized people out onto the streets out of "compassion" 2. Lowered the years of incarceration for sexual predators, murderers and other crinimal offenders 3. gave more freedom for perversity through the explosion of internet porn 4. became so politically correct that we can't tell certain segments of our population they are wrong in he behaviors and goals and attitudes and actions 5. stopped having cops walk beats instead of driving in nice new Lincoln Town cars all day 6.stopped training children young not to indulge every impulse that comes into their fist or gonads 7. gave our souls ever increasingly to pleasures and titlations and away from godliness.... perhaps.

129 posted on 06/27/2005 9:41:35 PM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: ariamne
The car, not the eight year old..

Not a week goes by that I don't have to make a clarification like yours! LOL.

I've got a '95 Camry with so few miles on it, you wouldn't believe me (I ride the bus often). No kids around but I think I'll check out the trunk mechanism anyway.
130 posted on 06/27/2005 9:42:04 PM PDT by hummingbird ("The world needs more Steel Magnolias like Beth Holloway.")
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To: Conservatrix; Calpernia
I think this has a lot to do with affirmative action hiring in public service jobs. >>

I thought of that and hope it's not true.

I know many firemen are trained to look for children in cubby holes, closets, under the beds, in drawers, trunks, etc. Kids have a natural tendency to hide whether in play or in fear.

I thought everyone knew this but then again, Camden is a different world.
131 posted on 06/27/2005 9:43:50 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isaiah 5:20-21)
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To: soundandvision

I'm so sorry for your heartbreaking loss and their's. It is startling what can happen in the blink of an eye when children are involved.


132 posted on 06/27/2005 9:45:06 PM PDT by hummingbird ("The world needs more Steel Magnolias like Beth Holloway.")
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To: Coleus

Camden is like the South Bronx, Calcutta and a bit of post-Tsunami Thailand all in one...


133 posted on 06/27/2005 9:47:30 PM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: Collier

God,Sorry for your loss Collier.


134 posted on 06/27/2005 9:47:52 PM PDT by fatima (Make a move and the Bunny gets it.-Guess what movie)
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To: Conservatrix
When did orphanage get such a negative connotation?! It sure beats, by a mile, a lot of alternatives. Ferrying kids from foster home to foster home is unsettling and breaks up siblings in some cases. In an orphanage, it seems like there would be more oversight and at least siblings would be able to stick together.
135 posted on 06/27/2005 9:55:22 PM PDT by hummingbird ("The world needs more Steel Magnolias like Beth Holloway.")
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To: Coleus; Conservatrix

As a mom of boys, I would have checked the trunk.

As a listener to this story, the fact that the trunk wasn't checked is the focus.

Sad. Obviously from the time frame, the boys were already dead whether the officers checked or not.

The parents are hurting. They have been hurting this whole time as per the local MSM getting close ups.

This was just horrible. But lawyers have reached them [parents]. Lawsuits are in the process.


136 posted on 06/27/2005 9:59:25 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: BraveMan; LostThread; Salvation
I am truly sorry for the loss of your son.

Prayers for Brave Man and LostThread for consolation because of the untimely demise of their beloved son, Jacob, prayers for the repose of his soul.

Visit my son's online memorial site.

To All Our Friends in FreeRepublic

137 posted on 06/27/2005 10:00:14 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isaiah 5:20-21)
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To: Conservatrix
I am a MOTHER. I like MOTHERING my children.

"Mothering" is so much warmer than "parenting"...words mean things.
138 posted on 06/27/2005 10:01:54 PM PDT by hummingbird ("The world needs more Steel Magnolias like Beth Holloway.")
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To: hummingbird

I agree with you.
I am also not generally in favor of adoption. I wrote a book on my own adoption experience in fact. It is class-ism and paternalism in many cases.

BUT I am too tired to get into all of that tonight.


139 posted on 06/27/2005 10:01:59 PM PDT by Conservatrix ("He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.")
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To: Calpernia
I would sue too, not too sure of the timeline but it looks as though the boys could have been alive at the time of the original 911 call. Don't forget in times of stress parents and family aren't thinking too rationally. The police are supposed to be trained for this.
140 posted on 06/27/2005 10:02:51 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isaiah 5:20-21)
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