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Camden Dad Rages (Father of one of the boys who suffocated in car trunk)
New York Post ^ | 6/27/05 | JOHN DOYLE and CYNTHIA R. FAGEN

Posted on 06/27/2005 6:58:32 AM PDT by Conservatrix

The grieving dad of the 11-year-old mentally troubled New Jersey boy who suffocated in a car trunk with two younger pals blames the state's social-services agency, saying it should have put his son in a facility where he could have gotten help.

"If he would have been put in a safe place, this wouldn't have happened. The child needed a lot of help," Anibal Cruz Sr. said yesterday. -snip-" [The division] did nothing," Cruz said. "Why didn't they lock the baby somewhere safe? When kids need help, they have to help them."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: agosto; blameeveryoneelse; boys; camden; camdencounty; irrationality; irresponsibility; nannystate
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To: JZelle
They recently built a new high school here and I noticed a nice playground on the side. I figured it must be for the student's kids. How sad.

Before you jump to conclusions, our local high school has a wonderful playground with swings, slides and other fun things for the children in the school based daycare program. This is a class where students and learn childcare techniques under supervision--not daycare for student's children.

61 posted on 06/27/2005 11:31:05 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: Conservatrix
This is a terrible story.. whenever I hear about stories like this, I shutter because I'm the father of a 2 year old son and can't even handle the thought of something happening to my little guy.

That being said, there's a real problem in America in the past two decades...the decades of "Harpo Productions"... everyone wants to blame someone and the person or people they want to blame typically have deep pockets.

This is a tragedy and it's one of those things that just happens. Children do indeed have a mind of their own and the police department there I'm sure did all they possibly could to find the children. Yes, I've seen the video of the officer right by the trunk. Sometimes it's impossible just to accept loss... it happens and in many cases, there's no one to blame. If anyone is to blame, perhaps it's the parents themselves. But doing so is risky at best... as I said, tragedies do happen where there's no fingers to point (or, there shouldn't be, anyway). In my estimation, there's no one to blame here.

62 posted on 06/27/2005 1:05:55 PM PDT by soundandvision
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To: traumer

LOL. I think he's going to be the go to guy now that Johnny C. has passed on.


63 posted on 06/27/2005 1:07:20 PM PDT by soundandvision
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To: wtc911
Yep, adults at fault, as is nearly always the case in accidental death of children.

I have to take issue with your comments. If this was a case of blatant and even recidivistic neglect, I would agree with you. However, we don't know that it is... sometimes accidents happen. I think this is (thus far) clearly one of those cases.

64 posted on 06/27/2005 1:10:54 PM PDT by soundandvision
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To: Jrabbit
My Camry has a trunk release down by the drivers seat. Mine is a 1999 and one of my sons still drives a 1992 model! Over 200,000 miles and still going. Anyway, it also has the trunk release by the drivers seat.

Mine is a 94 and has the trunk release by the drivers seat--don't know if it has the child safety release IN the trunk; probably not. My 8 year old knows never to play in a car trunk. It has 154,000 miles and I'm trying to sell it for $2000. That's reasonable, isn't it?

65 posted on 06/27/2005 1:36:04 PM PDT by ariamne (reformed liberal--Shieldmaiden of the Infidel)
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To: ariamne

The car, not the eight year old..


66 posted on 06/27/2005 1:38:00 PM PDT by ariamne (reformed liberal--Shieldmaiden of the Infidel)
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To: stinkerpot65
Even on this conservative board, as soon as anyone dies accidently, the assumption is that someone is to blame and must be punished.

I still can't understandy why no one heard the kids crying/screaming for help!

67 posted on 06/27/2005 1:43:34 PM PDT by infocats
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To: soundandvision

A five year old, a six year old and a mentally impaired eleven year old were left alone long enough for this to happen, that is the fault of the adult who assumed responsibility for them at that moment. Fate doesn't care what the history of care was up to that point, at that point someone dropped the ball. Child care is full time.


68 posted on 06/27/2005 3:05:53 PM PDT by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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Cruz, who lives in Philadelphia, said Anibal Jr. had attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, which is characterized by a lack of impulse control.

Oh my gosh, every 11 year-old I know has it. Thank goodness I grew out of it.

69 posted on 06/27/2005 3:23:07 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: wtc911
A five year old, a six year old and a mentally impaired eleven year old were left alone long enough for this to happen, that is the fault of the adult who assumed responsibility for them at that moment. Fate doesn't care what the history of care was up to that point, at that point someone dropped the ball. Child care is full time.

Using that reasoning, my brother and sister in law are responsible for the death of their 2 year old son in 1998 who got into the backyard and drowned in their above ground pool. That's not to say that they don't torture themselves still with their split second lack of attention.

In the modern America, no accidents happen apparently.

70 posted on 06/27/2005 3:59:23 PM PDT by soundandvision
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To: Conservatrix

This guy is about to be sued.
It's called deflection.
It should be called divorce.


71 posted on 06/27/2005 4:02:59 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Lurk forever, but once you post, your newbness shines like a new pair of shoes.)
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To: soundandvision

If your brother had a pool and a two year old and that combination led to the two year old's death then, yes, they are at fault. There are accidents and there are preventable incidents. A two year old absent long enough to get to the pool and drown is a preventable incident.


72 posted on 06/27/2005 4:07:16 PM PDT by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: YankeeGirl

If what you say is true, then this was bound to happen.
It isn't in the best interest of gov't agencies to give fathers equal-footing where their children are concerned.

He may actually have a legitimate lawsuit here. I didn't know all of this previously.


73 posted on 06/27/2005 4:08:26 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Lurk forever, but once you post, your newbness shines like a new pair of shoes.)
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To: BraveMan

You are right.
It applies on all levels.
Get screwed at work? Tough.
They'll drain you dry until you quit. They have lawyers in-house.
Good luck to you. Never quit.


74 posted on 06/27/2005 4:17:12 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Lurk forever, but once you post, your newbness shines like a new pair of shoes.)
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To: wtc911

The father admitted the kid needed a lot of help.
How is one to interpret that from a grieving father?


75 posted on 06/27/2005 4:21:34 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Lurk forever, but once you post, your newbness shines like a new pair of shoes.)
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To: mabelkitty
The father admitted the kid needed a lot of help. How is one to interpret that from a grieving father?

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Some will look for the most base interpretation, some the most lofty. My suggestion...we don't interpret it unless we knew the kid ourselves.

76 posted on 06/27/2005 4:51:24 PM PDT by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: wtc911

Do you have children?


77 posted on 06/27/2005 5:35:34 PM PDT by soundandvision
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To: soundandvision
I have raised five and am raising a 4 yo grand. Aside from the fact that no pool was the rule and still is, no one of them was ever out of sight long enough to get into that kind of tragedy, certainly not at the age of two.

Any backyard toddler drowning is preventable.

78 posted on 06/27/2005 5:52:16 PM PDT by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: soundandvision
I have raised five and am raising a 4 yo grand. Aside from the fact that no pool was the rule and still is, no one of them was ever out of sight long enough to get into that kind of tragedy, certainly not at the age of two.

Any backyard toddler drowning is preventable.

79 posted on 06/27/2005 5:52:49 PM PDT by wtc911 ("I would like at least to know his name.")
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To: wtc911
Regardless of how you are I feel about this subject (and I disagree -- there are accidents...there are also are negligent parents) the Army found no negligence on there part. They were both in the Army and stationed at Fort Hood, in Kileen Texas at the time.

Of course, that's little consolation to them.

80 posted on 06/27/2005 5:58:38 PM PDT by soundandvision
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