Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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4,401 posted on 06/29/2005 11:02:54 AM PDT by Howlin

She was like a dog with a bone, wasn't she? LOL....I thought she was gonna go head first into that car!

4,402 posted on 06/29/2005 11:03:24 AM PDT by Howlin

4,403 posted on 06/29/2005 11:04:57 AM PDT by Jrabbit

she was great, i am really liking her these days.

4,404 posted on 06/29/2005 11:05:33 AM PDT by xsmommy

with friends like that who needs enemies..

4,405 posted on 06/29/2005 11:08:06 AM PDT by vigilante2 (vigilant attentiveness)

Some guy on Fox now saying that some people in Aruba are saying the STEPFATHER needs to be investigated????? Along with an old boy friend of Natalee's who was on the island at the time??

WHO is saying that, Howlin? That disgusts me that Fox would even let something like that air on their network. So now its blame the family time?

4,406 posted on 06/29/2005 11:09:14 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)

Some reporter that was just on. I get them all confused. And I really can't tell who is with the government and who isn't.

4,407 posted on 06/29/2005 11:11:44 AM PDT by Howlin

To: presently no screen name

Yes, I he worked at the refinery.

Here's more via SM:

EXCERPTED

Her first declaration was that she left Rene in the company of 2 men. She provided a good acting show, she cried alot near the family, fell on the ground (hisy fit) crying, kicking, that later now that she might be involved and even responsible for his cruel murder. Yesenia maybe have thought she had the perfect murder.

(snip)

But as experts that came and expressed that with so much modern technology, no crime is perfect. Always and when under interrogation, evididence found would incriminate the ones that think they can get away.

(snip)

Now all that is needed is more details on this case as to who may have given Yesenia a helping hand to hid the body, put it on the truck and dump it at a local cemetary at Sabana Basora. Could she have done it herself or did she receive additional help?

(snip)

The case is still under investigation, deep investigation..(hehe) Its not ruled out that presently this case can be in court, and the accused could face up to life in prison for commiting such a heinous crime against mankind..

4,408 posted on 06/29/2005 11:12:26 AM PDT by maggief

To: maggiefluffs; brigette; All

Former Aruba Suspect Alleges Plot!

Wednesday, June 29, 2005

This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 28, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Tonight, stunning new information could show police made a serious mistake in the Natalee Holloway (search) investigation. Earlier today, we spoke with Mickey John, one of the former security guards who was arrested and then later released. He told us some shocking stories about what he learned while he was behind bars.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VAN SUSTEREN: So, Mickey, when you got picked up, did you ever think that you'd be getting out?

MICKEY JOHN, FORMER SUSPECT: Yes, I was positive. I knew I'd be out. Sooner or later I would be out because I knew I was very innocent. All the way I know I was innocent, 150 percent innocent.

VAN SUSTEREN: So what happened? Were you home and the police suddenly showed up?

JOHN: Yes, I was home sleeping around 6:20 (INAUDIBLE) morning. (INAUDIBLE) showed up, bust the (INAUDIBLE) I heard said, "You're under arrest." Nobody read my rights, nobody said nothing. All this commotion the police said to me that, "You cooperating, we cooperate with. You're under arrest. That's it, let's go."

VAN SUSTEREN: What was the first thing they did when you got to the police station? They put you in a cell, or they talk to you?

JOHN: No, they talked to me. Put me sit down, maybe handcuff (INAUDIBLE) after the guy say, "You know why you're here. You're for the missing girls. And now we're going to read your rights to you and you will sign it" (INAUDIBLE)

VAN SUSTEREN: At some point, Deepak was brought in to the same facility, Deepak Kalpoe (search), right?

JOHN: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Ever know him before?

JOHN: I never saw him before, never in my entire life. I never saw him before.

VAN SUSTEREN: Had you ever heard of him at that point, that there was someone else who might be picked up in this case?

JOHN: Well, before I was locked up, I heard the news that there was - - the girl was last seen with three guys, which is two Suriname guys and the Dutch guy. So I knew there was at least three people more involved in this case, which should be picked up in the first instant, because they were last seen with the girl.

VAN SUSTEREN: So you were picked up on Sunday, Deepak picked up within the following Thursday, is that right?

JOHN: I guess so. Yes, more or less, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Between Sunday and Thursday, were you able to get any outside information about what was going on in the case, or were you just simply in the cell and interrogated from time to time?

JOHN: They just interrogated me the Sunday and the following Monday. And that was it. I was just locked up. And only I could see anybody. And my lawyer came to me and that was it.

But then Deepak came, and he introduced himself as Deepak. And he said he was being picked up for the missing girl. I felt relief, because I know I can throw a few questions from him to see if I get something from him.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think Deepak knew who you were?

JOHN: No (INAUDIBLE) never knew who he was, because he certainly was calling me Jamaican. He thought I was from Jamaica. So he was just talking to me freely and, you know, no problem.

I spoke to him more, and I tell him, "Tell me the truth," asking, "You saw the guy on the news?" He said, "Yes." I said, "Where the guy from?" He tell me, he think from Grenada. And right away, I knew he was talking about me, because I was the only one from Grenada.

So I decided to ask him a few more questions. And I said, "So you tell the guy (INAUDIBLE) what happened to the girl?" He said, "No." (INAUDIBLE) arrested on Thursday. I think a guy should be released that Friday, because, in their hearts, they know we were innocent.

He said a story being made up about dropping the girl of at a Holiday Inn, was all something being made up. He, and the Dutch guy, and the Dutch guy's father, they sit and made up the story.

VAN SUSTEREN: The father, too?

JOHN: All of them. They made up...

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he specifically say — Deepak specifically say to you the father was part of that?

JOHN: Deepak told me that he and the family sit down and they made up the story.

VAN SUSTEREN: So family and not father?

JOHN: Well, I don't know who the family consists of. But I know the father was involved, according to him. They made up the story, and they say that they didn't drop the girl off, because they said they would give the police something to (INAUDIBLE) when somebody is missing in Aruba, they would find them a few days later by a crack house or with some beach bum or something.

So they made it up. But then, when push come to shove, and nothing was going on, he decided to tell his brother, "We're going to tell the truth and say exactly what took place," because he — I guess that much, he, by that time, he and the Dutch guy were saying different stories, so something wasn't going right.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did they say why they created the lie?

JOHN: Like I told you, they say like — they were hoping that something the girl would pop up or something, a few days after. And as I said, they drop her off at the Holiday Inn talking to a black guy, security guard dressed in black clothes. Said they know, like, everybody in public knows a tourist has been missing. They would find them a few days later, by, like I said, by some crack house or with some beach bum. So they made up something hoping that she would show up a few day and then they say, "OK, it all good. There she comes."

VAN SUSTEREN: But under the now story, which is that they dropped the Dutch teen and Natalee off at the beach, Deepak and Satish hadn't done anything wrong. So why did they need a cover story?

JOHN: Well, I don't know. I think these people, they have a plot together. He, as you can see (INAUDIBLE) so they, together with the Dutch guy, decide, "Maybe we can plan something," because they were together — they left the nightclub together. They were together.

The wouldn't say what happened with the girl, if he had fought with the girl. But they said they weren't — he told me they went to the California lighthouse. On their way back, they dropped the Dutch guy with Natalee close to the Marriott Hotel. He and his brother, Deepak, they went home.

VAN SUSTEREN: How certain are you that that your memory is correct that the family or the father was involved in creating this cover-up story?

JOHN: Well, he told me — he, all of them, sit and make up the story. He, Dutch guy, and the family. He told me they made up a story that they said they dropped the girl off at the Holiday Inn. She was talking to a black guy, security guard specific, dressed in black pants, black top.

VAN SUSTEREN: So what percentage certain are you that he said family or father that was involved in this?

JOHN: He said family.

VAN SUSTEREN: So you're certain?

JOHN: I'm certain.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he ever mention any text messages or e-mails?

JOHN: No. He only said that, while he was home, he went on his computer to chat with some friend. And the Dutch guy sent him a text message on his cell phone saying that when he got home he would also chat with him online. So he said automatically this guy was still out at the time he and his brother was home.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he say what that message said?

JOHN: No, he didn't. He just said — the message said that, when he got home, he would talk to him online. He didn't say anything else.

VAN SUSTEREN: How did he seem to be adjusting to being in jail?

JOHN: Well, to me, he was very, very calm. He spoke very calm. When they open my door to go out and see my lawyer, and passed the front of his cell, he was looking very calm. I would call him every five minutes and say, "Deepak, are you OK?" And he would say, "Yes, I'm OK." So he was very — looked relaxed to me.

VAN SUSTEREN: Didn't look worried?

JOHN: No, he was only stressed thing — he was only stressing that we would be out very soon, me, and he, and my friend who was locked up, and his brother. He was saying that, "We will be out very soon, and the Dutch guy he knew would remain in custody."

VAN SUSTEREN: He thought the Dutch guy would remain in custody?

JOHN: Yes, he said, "We would be out soon," but he told me the Dutch guy will remain in custody because he know he was the last — they dropped him off with the girl at the Marriott. And I think he's holding back something, the guy (INAUDIBLE) the father made up the story. He should know what took place.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he say why he was willing to make up the story?

JOHN: Well, I guess they wanted (INAUDIBLE) maybe the Dutch guy have some power on them, they all friends, and the family stick and talk and say, "We're going to stick to that, and that's it," you know? Trade in some black guy, scapegoat, lock him up, I guess so.

VAN SUSTEREN: Anyone apologize to you?

JOHN: Not yet. Only Deepak, so far, in the jail. He apologize to me, tell me sorry because the story I was being locked up. Nobody else.

VAN SUSTEREN: So at some point, he realized who you were?

JOHN: I told him. I told him it was me, the security guard.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did he say when you told him who you were?

JOHN: He told me sorry, he was very sorry. And it is not because of their fault I was being locked up.

VAN SUSTEREN: Police ever apologize?

JOHN: Sorry?

VAN SUSTEREN: Did the police apologize?

JOHN: No. VAN SUSTEREN: Did the government of Aruba (search), anyone from the justice ministry, anybody like that apologize?

JOHN: Not yet, no. No one. VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think you'll ever get an apology?

JOHN: I don't think so. I don't need their apology anymore, anyway.

VAN SUSTEREN: Anything else you'd like to say?

JOHN: Well, like I said before, the justice system, the detectives, they're all fools. They have to go to back to school. And they were used, like, a scapegoat, use, like, a black person in society to cover their mess.

So don't ever try it again with nobody, because they know we are innocent. And let justice prevail. And we know we will find the right person.

4,409 posted on 06/29/2005 11:13:55 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

For the life of me, I don't know how the Holloway & Twitty families have been able to refrain from calling a news conference and ticking off the list of bungles to this investigations these fools have made from day 1 of Natalee's disappearance. I'm serious. It's time for the gloves to come off. Being nice hasn't gotten them anywhere.

Calm down demkicker. It is only a news report. Carol McKinley just started reporting from Aruba this week I believe. This may not be the first time that Joran's classmates have been questioned.

These are only bits and pieces of what is happening or what has transpired.

4,410 posted on 06/29/2005 11:22:34 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

Thanks, TexKat!

JOHN: No. He only said that, while he was home, he went on his computer to chat with some friend. And the Dutch guy sent him a text message on his cell phone saying that when he got home he would also chat with him online. So he said automatically this guy was still out at the time he and his brother was home.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did he say what that message said?

JOHN: No, he didn't. He just said — the message said that, when he got home, he would talk to him online. He didn't say anything else.

If DK was online chatting with with a friend it would be easy enough to verify activity on his computer and possibly who was online and with whom.

4,411 posted on 06/29/2005 11:26:02 AM PDT by maggief

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if he hangs upside down from the rafters at night.;-)

LOL!

4,412 posted on 06/29/2005 11:26:07 AM PDT by stlnative (please do NOT feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)

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4,413 posted on 06/29/2005 11:27:51 AM PDT by maggief

That's a nice small "Do not feed the Trolls" sign - Thanks!

4,414 posted on 06/29/2005 11:30:33 AM PDT by stlnative (please do NOT feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)

4,415 posted on 06/29/2005 11:36:39 AM PDT by Velveeta (www.takebackthememorial.org)

Calm down demkicker. It is only a news report. Carol McKinley just started reporting from Aruba this week I believe. This may not be the first time that Joran's classmates have been questioned. These are only bits and pieces of what is happening or what has transpired.

I'll NOT calm down, TexKat. I take it you didn't see the Alert. I did. First of all, I'm not blaming Carol McKinley for anything. At first, I did think it was another pathetic ho-hum news Alert by Fox, but Carol came up with HUGE news.

Carol specifically said that she had just spoken with the prosecutors office and had gotten the information about more possible arrests. Then she stated that the investigators were going to START calling in Joran's classmates TODAY.

You may be pleased enough with this investigation and are still giving the authorities the benefit of the doubt. I think it has been botched from the beginning and I find it hard to believe, with the intense media scrutiny, that any investigation could be this incompetent. The fix is in, if you ask me....

4,416 posted on 06/29/2005 11:41:10 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)

To: TexKat; demkicker

Well, I agree with demkicker. In fact, I was thinking the same thing as I was listening to McKinley.

4,417 posted on 06/29/2005 11:42:29 AM PDT by Howlin

I think we are WAY passed "benefit of the doubt."

4,418 posted on 06/29/2005 11:43:24 AM PDT by Howlin

To: maggiefluffs

Does anyone recall MJ's statement that JvdS text messaged DK something to the effect, "I will get on line with you when I get home?"

Yes I do and yesterday David Kock briefly mentioned a online conversation had occurred between Deepak and Joran after Joran had sent the text message "I made it home" to Deepak. That text message was sent sometime between 3:10am and 3:20am (about 40 minutes after Joran called Deepak at around 2:30am or as late as 2:40am).

Timeline Recap...(per David Kock - Satish's Lawyer)

1:50am to 2:00am = Deepak & Satish drop Natalee & Joran off at the beach near the Marriott.

2:30am to 2:40am = Deepak gets a call for Joran (cell to cell - voice to voice)

3:10am to 3:20am = Deepak recieves a "I made it home" text message from Joran on his cell phone.

After 3:20am = There is a online conversation between Joran and Deepak. It is unknown what time this online conversation started, only that it was after the Joran sent Deepak the "I made it home" text message.

4,419 posted on 06/29/2005 11:44:26 AM PDT by stlnative (please do NOT feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)

BTW, I think the "may arrest more people" is just a boilerplate answer that this government is giving out to anybody who asks, as in "Of course, if new evidence, etc., comes out, we will arrest more people if we need to."

As for the McKinley report, I actually wondered to myself if they have to ARREST people down there to QUESTION them.

4,420 posted on 06/29/2005 11:44:49 AM PDT by Howlin

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