Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[WestCoastGal]

"but it lacks the drink in his hand found in all the other pictures."

I noticed that with him and the two brothers.

I still think they were living the high life there with all the American girls coming down to vacation & party. It's very possible this one did NOT want to and they forced her, got scared and decided to get rid of her.

[Yaelle]

All the sites seem to be citing each other. Riehl is the main source and everyone is jumping. Man, I would hate to be NH's family waiting as the divers do their thing. I woud not even know what to hope or wish for. I suppose Laci's parents would understand completely.

[WestCoastGal]

Probably bears printing here, although no confirmation yet.

I wonder if this is the one Greata went to with all the junk cars dumped along with trash.

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Monday, June 27, 2005
Breaking Aruba
Just had a communication from Aruba - search dogs have gotten a "hit" in quarry near the Van der Sloot house, dive team being rounded up.

As posted yesterday, today's grids covered areas more accessible for the boy(s) working on a tight timeline.

I'm told there will be a press conferece at 1PM. Also, dogs said to not false alarm for non-human remains. Appears find is in very deep water of quarry, quarry was once drained and a corpse suspected to have been there for approximately ten years was discovered at that time.

Correction - quarry was low as result of drought when previous remains were discoverd. It was not drained.

[WestCoastGal]

Update
Word spreading through media, American media cooperating, hanging back. Dutch media swarming, getting in way. Diver's expected to go in around 2PM as of last report.


http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/update_.html

[demkicker]

I just heard Rush announce how the journalists are surprised about the announcement that the rest of the suspects are going to be released because of lack of evidence!!! Anyone else hear this? He didn't cite the source.

[PBRSTREETGANG]

Announcement that all remaining suspects would be released?

Wonder where that came from?

[onyx]

YOU have kin all over MS. *smile*
Seriously, do any of your kinfolk know Natalee and her family?

[demkicker]

That's what Rush said! I'm hoping he meant that everyone would be upset IF they were released, but that's not what he said.

[TexKat]

Van der Sloot, persistent lawyer with principles

The lawyer Paul van der Sloot, that is detained in Aruba in the Natalee Holloway affair, is here mostly known for his 20-year-long fight against the building of a motorway around Boxtel.

Boxtel

Paul van der Sloot is indeed member of a brassband and he goes all out during the carnival, but in Aruba, he is mostly known as the serious lawyer for whom the principles of justice always and everywhere comes in first place. There was a huge disbelief in Aruba when he was arrested for his alleged involvement in disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Boxtel had experienced him as someone who would always persevere and had a thorough manner of working. Paul van der Sloot fought twenty years long (from 1973 until 1993) with local residents against the construction of a southern motorway, that had to go partly over the estate of the Van der Sloot family. Paul van der Sloot stood his ground and fought civil servants and politicians that had proposed and produced the faulty plans for the new motorway in the Cousil of State. The motorway came eventually but it was not laid through the scenic valuable territory anymore but further away. In his birthplace Boxtel, van der Sloot was criticized a lot because while he was fighting the developments of the new motorway, the dangerous traffic was still led trough Boxtel and this was causing accidents and consequently was costing the lives of many people. Van der Sloot was seen as a fault-finder that to prevent the motorway to be build on part of his land , was willing to sacrifice the lives of the youth who attended the schools in the vicinity of the local dangerous streets. Van der Sloot said later on that the criticism hurt him deeply..

Tilburg

Van der Sloot (53) got his legal education at the University of Tilburg in the seventies. He co-founded the Legal Faculty Association Tilburg and also the faculty newspaper ‘Nondejure'. After he finished his studies he did not went to work for the government, but assisted citizens that had conflicts with the government. It was in that period in Arnhem, where he met a woman Anita (teacher of Artistic Formation) and it was also there were Joran and Valentijn, two of his three suns, were born.

New job

In 1991 Paul van der Sloot thought it was the time for a new job and he found one in Aruba where he was appointed for five year as lawyer for the Aruban government. The ministers were not impressed with his stance „I always first try to find a compromise. By simply prosecuting nobody gets wiser. If the authorities do something wrong I will always admit that. You must never interpret the facts differently then what they are. I am convinced that on the long run this will give better results“, According to Van der Sloot in an interview ten years ago in the Brabants Nieuwsblad. After a while Van der Sloot got a different assigment: the government wanted him to only set up contracts. Van der Sloot considered going back to The Netherlands, but he liked the small scale of Aruba and as it appeared he had enough possibilities to continue with his career. He became cabinets leader for the public ministry and gave classes of Administrative Law at the local university.

Judge

Two years ago Van der Sloot Ditch got the opportunity to become a judge. With his background that meant that he had follow a training course of three years. During that training period, he was appointed as a substitute judge in the Antillean court. Van der Sloot completed the training period of a year in the Netherlands recently but he has not conducted a court(hearing) yet.

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Translation by Hasibokos.com of an article by Brabants Dagblad published on Monday 27th of June. The original article in Dutch can be found HERE.

[demkicker]

I bet he was referring to the release of Croes? I'm still wondering...

[NavyCanDo]

Am I the only person on the planet who finds this story waaaaaaay to over-covered by National News? Seems to me that there is a trend going on that started with Princess Di's death, that dead, murdered or missing (good looking people) have become the most important events to cover by the National news media, and that include our beloved FOX. A few of the others that have captured national attention: Lacy Peterson, Elizibeth Smart.
Forgive me if I seem crass, I realise this is a tragedy for her family and friends, but does this story really desearve the attention it's getting? There are news teams that were flown to this tiny island, so they can give live up to the minute coverage 24-7? How many not-so-beautiful people are murdered or go missing each day, with no more than a little spot in theirlocal newspaper.
The endless coverage has made tire of the news.

[af_vet_1981]

Am I the only person on the planet who finds this story waaaaaaay to over-covered by National News?

Yes

Thanks for bumping the news which you think is over-covered.

I wonder if they will find more than one body in that quarry if they search it well ...

[stlnative]

please don't feed the thread trolls

[vigilante2]

you may be excused

[monkeywrench]

"Am I the only person on the planet who finds this story waaaaaaay to over-covered by National News?"

Why would you come on a thread about it to ask this? Kooky...

" How many not-so-beautiful people are murdered or go missing each day, with no more than a little spot in theirlocal newspaper."

Please, research this, and post your findings here.

"The endless coverage has made tire of the news."

And, yet, here you are! Whining.

[the Deejay]

The shark attack story seems
to be growing legs......

[TexKat]

Am I the only person on the planet who finds this story waaaaaaay to over-covered by National News?

Contact the media with your concerns.!!

Seems to me that there is a trend going on that started with Princess Di's death, that dead,

Nope, this all started with the coverage of the OJ trial.

[WestCoastGal]

Monday, June 27, 2005
Update
Can only report what I get - mini-press conference held to get Dutch press to back off, members of press were actually trying to get in water for pictures. My report says American media basically playing by the rules. Conference held just to settle things down to proceed.

Last word is something up, rumors dog got a hit, divers need to get to work in quarry as previously reported. Time line unsure per report - doesn't mean that's the case on the ground.

I do know some MSM outlets were also scambling on ground. Look for updates - hopefully before evening.

From Riehl World

[maggief]

Update

Can only report what I get - mini-press conference held to get Dutch press to back off, members of press were actually trying to get in water for pictures. My report says American media basically playing by the rules. Conference held just to settle things down to proceed.

Last word is something up, rumors dog got a hit, divers need to get to work in quarry as previously reported. Time line unsure per report - doesn't mean that's the case on the ground.

I do know some MSM outlets were also scambling on ground. Look for updates - hopefully before evening.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/update_5.html

[maggief]

2 seconds. :-D