Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

I read a post from someone who said they live in Aruba say that that particular McDonald's closes at 1:00am.

1,901 posted on 06/25/2005 6:01:06 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (••• ••• •••)

brigette,

I'm glad you put it out there. It gives us a chance to kick it around.

1,902 posted on 06/25/2005 6:03:33 PM PDT by maggief

then they move her over to Lorenzo's basement until pops can come up with a plan

1,903 posted on 06/25/2005 6:03:34 PM PDT by vigilante2

To: All; maggiefluffs; TexKat; Howlin

I have a headache and I think I just going to pass on doing the timeline. It is just too hard to do with all the rumors that are out there (and all of it is rumors). One of Natalees friends say one thing and another says something different and on and on. There are just too many opinions and stories out there on how things went down that none of will agree on anything 100%.

Sorry... for starting it and now backing down from it.

1,904 posted on 06/25/2005 6:04:11 PM PDT by stlnative (BUT DON'T ASK ME TO BACK THAT UP OR CONFIRM IT)

but you are seriously driving me nuts

Not to be too analytical .............. but with you ...... it's not a drive ........ it's a putt.

;-)

1,905 posted on 06/25/2005 6:04:50 PM PDT by beyond the sea (No more legitimate hearing room ever again, Conyers......... to the broom closet ! ;-))

only reason this is addressed to you is because you were the last poster when I refreshed, and your screen-name seemed kind of appropriate for veering way off-topic.

My beloved asked me why this had me more upset than the SCOTUS decision about eminent domain, and I couldn't answer him.

Is it because I would prefer to be distracted? Trying to get my head around the government's right to take my property is just too much to contemplate? Would I rather stick my head ibn the proverbial sand than face the demise of all I thought sacred?

I care about Natalee, and want resolution for her family. But, if our property isn't safe, then what?

1,906 posted on 06/25/2005 6:05:47 PM PDT by jacquej

I've said this before but I really think that one of the kids in Mountain Brook is sitting on some information because either they don't want to muddy up Natalee's reputation or are afraid that their own rep will be muddied up. I think that maybe consensual drug use is the cat that no one in MB wants let out of the bag. Even Jug Twitty said people were smoking dope on the front porch of C and C. I'm not trying to make Nat look bad but I wonder what's not being said.
TAW

1,907 posted on 06/25/2005 6:06:11 PM PDT by Malichi

Natalee yells out the window "Aruba - Aruba"

First report was that she yelled out "Aruba, woo-hoo!"

1,908 posted on 06/25/2005 6:07:14 PM PDT by NCjim (The more I use Windows, the more I love UNIX)

I also wondered before if they took NH to VD'S house because that is where he would have the web cam..Pops is out all night and the kids have the place to themselves

Not to mention the fact that Joran has his own 'apartment-like' set up behind the main house. The kid has obviously been free to come and go without anyone hearing him from the main house.

1,909 posted on 06/25/2005 6:08:13 PM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)

No, none of us will agree 100%, but look at the discussion that has stirred up.

Stay with it.

1,910 posted on 06/25/2005 6:08:34 PM PDT by maggief

To: maggiefluffs

1,911 posted on 06/25/2005 6:09:16 PM PDT by stlnative (BUT DON'T ASK ME TO BACK THAT UP OR CONFIRM IT)

To: BunnySlippers

That's correct, arubagirl posted it a few days ago on riehlworldview.com.

McDonald's closes here at 1am. FYI

Posted by: arubagirl | June 19, 2005 03:45 PM

1,912 posted on 06/25/2005 6:09:45 PM PDT by Sunshine55 (Does Anita van der Sloot suffer from Carolyn Condit syndrome?)

Ok...TexKat is right, everyone. It seems this has been a confusing point for days...the ages of the two brothers. In the beginning even FOX had it wrong, LOL. This recent article gives the ages of all suspects. Hope this helps: (It also answers some other questions other's have asked)

Hearing of five suspects in Aruba delayed:-
ORANJESTAD, Aruba | June 26, 2005 5:11:23 AM IST

Five suspects in Aruba, tied to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, had a court hearing postponed Saturday because a judge's flight was delayed.

A judge from Curacao, flown in from another island to avoid the appearance of impropriety, had his flight delayed several times Saturday and then rescheduled the hearing for Sunday morning, CNN reported.

The judge was to determine if Paul Van Der Sloot, 53, a legal official; his son Joran, 17; Satish Kalpoe, 18; his brother Deepak Kalpoe, 21; and disc jockey Steve Croes, 26, should remain in custody.

No one has been charged in the disappearance of Holloway.

Meanwhile, a team of Texas search specialists Saturday began hunting for the Alabama teen missing on the resort island of Aruba since May 30.

Tim Miller, director and founder of Texas Equusearch, said most of the 24-member search team, including eight divers and one dog, had arrived by Friday night. Three more highly trained dogs and their handlers were expected to arrive Saturday.

Miller said at least $25,000 had been raised for the search via the group's Web site.

(Note: Amazing how helpful good people can be)

(UPI)

1,913 posted on 06/25/2005 6:10:26 PM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)

To: maggiefluffs

Tragic Trip?

Thursday, June 16, 2005

BILL O'REILLY, HOST: In “'The Factor' Investigation" segment tonight, we're trying to get eyewitness reports on the Natalee Holloway case for you, talk to people who were actually involved in that trip. That's proven to be very, very hard to do, because there's pressure on the 130 students who went on the trip and their seven chaperons not to talk. But our persistence paid off.

Joining us now from Birmingham, Alabama, is 18-year-old Edward Kissel, who was at the bar where Natalee was last seen, and 18-year-old Alana Jordan, who was also at Carlos and whatever it was, and was one of the last to see Natalee.

Alana, we'll begin with you. You saw Natalee where, what time and in what condition?

ALAN JORDAN, FRIEND OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: The last time I saw Natalee, we were leaving the club, and a friend of mine went back to the club because we were going to make sure that no one got left because we were leaving at closing. And we ran into her and asked her if she was OK. And she said yes and indicated that she was going back to the hotel with some other Mountain Brook students.

O'REILLY: So you saw her when the club was closing. Was she intoxicated?

JORDAN: She looked OK to me. I asked her if she was all right, and she said she was fine.

O'REILLY: Was there any...

JORDAN: And obviously, if I didn't believe her, then I wouldn't have let her go.

O'REILLY: All right. So she looked OK to you. She didn't look like she was weaving or sick or anything like that? She looked fine?

JORDAN: No.

O'REILLY: Was she with this Van Der Sloot guy?

JORDAN: Yes, she was.

O'REILLY: Did you know this guy, Van Der Sloot? How did she hook up with him?

JORDAN: I never met him before, and that night he didn't talk. He was just walking next to her. But I assumed that it was him. It was a tall guy with dark hair. I never knew his name, though.

O'REILLY: Had you seen her with this guy before, before this night?

JORDAN: No, but he was in our casino a lot.

O'REILLY: All right. So -- but you knew him? You knew his face? You had seen him around?

JORDAN: Yes. Well, I didn't recognize him that night because it was dark, but we had seen him, yes.

O'REILLY: Now, in this bar, everybody was drinking, right? Seventeen, 18-year-old, the whole crew was drinking, right?

JORDAN: Eighteen-year-olds were, because that's the legal drinking age.

O'REILLY: All right. So...

JORDAN: I don't think anyone 17 could get into the club.

O'REILLY: So the last time you saw her was after the club closed you walked out. She was standing there. This Van Der Sloot guy was with her. You asked her if she was OK. She said she was and she'd get home on her own. She'd get back to the hotel on her own. Do I have it?

JORDAN: Well, we just assumed that she was going with -- there was two groups of students, and we assumed that she was going with a group that was in front of us. And we turned the corner to go to another club, me and a couple of my friends, to make sure that no one got left in that club, because we weren't sure if anyone had gone there.

O'REILLY: Were you...

JORDAN: Make sure that no one got left there.

O'REILLY: Were you a close friend of Natalee?

JORDAN: She's pretty much the reason I passed calculus. Yes.

O'REILLY: All right, so you know her very well?

JORDAN: Yes.

O'REILLY: Would you be surprised to hear that she went off with some guy? Would that shock you?

JORDAN: Yes. She's not -- there's been a lot of allegations that she was a less than respectable girl, and that is completely false. That's really why I wanted to come on this show, to just clarify that she's a really good girl, a really smart girl, and that's why this is such a shock to us.

O'REILLY: OK. So she -- that wouldn't ordinarily be her modus operandi, to go in a car with three guys? That wouldn't have happened in your experience?

JORDAN: NO.

O'REILLY: And you know her very well?

JORDAN: I would say so, yes.

O'REILLY: All right. Now, Ed, when was the last time you saw Natalee?

ED KISSEL, FRIEND OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I think I saw her a little later that night. I had stayed in Carlos 'n Charlie's pretty long, and I saw her dancing with Van Der Sloot later that night.

O'REILLY: Now, did you know Van Der Sloot? Did -- how did you know who he was?

KISSEL: I didn't know him, but I had seen -- he had been around the hotel and the casino with her and with her friends, her closer friends, just hanging out around the hotel for the last few days, two or three days.

O'REILLY: All right. So Natalee obviously knew him, then, was familiar with him. And when you saw him dancing with her, that didn't set off any bells. Was Natalee intoxicated, in your opinion?

KISSEL: I wouldn't say so. We were all having a good time. I'd go so far as to say that, but I wouldn't say intoxicated.

O'REILLY: She was drinking?

KISSEL: Drinking responsibly is what I would say.

O'REILLY: All right.

KISSEL: Along with the rest of us.

O'REILLY: Now, did you see her get into a car with Van Der Sloot and these two other guys?

KISSEL: I did not see her getting in the car. I saw her leaving, looked like with Van Der Sloot. I didn't see her getting in the car. You couldn't really see the road from inside the bar, so that is what I saw.

O'REILLY: But nothing set off any alarm bells for you, Ed? You didn't -- you weren't concerned or anything like that?

KISSEL: No. I wasn't personally concerned about anything. From what I've heard, I heard people talk about him and he sounded like a nice guy. So I didn't think any big deal.

I personally had ridden in the car over there. I made friends with one of the waiters. I'm fluent in Spanish, and you know, I was friends with somebody. And so I was thinking, you know, I rode in a car with somebody, she rides in the car with somebody, no big deal. I didn't think about it.

O'REILLY: OK. Now Alana, this was just one big party down there for the 130 Alabama students, right? It was just like a casual party. But there was no supervision. I mean, you guys could do pretty much what you wanted, right?

JORDAN: There actually was supervision. It wasn't -- they knew that this trip was for -- the chaperons, that is. And they weren't breathing down our necks, but they were looking after us very well. And there's -- that's another thing I wanted to address. A lot of people have said that the chaperons weren't doing their job, but by all means, they definitely were.

O'REILLY: But how could they be if you had -- how could they be, Alana, with all due respect, if Natalee Holloway's disappearance wasn't discovered until the next morning? I mean, Natalee, nobody knew where she was or where she went. I mean, that's not supervision, is it?

JORDAN: Well, the thing is, you have to keep in mind there are 130 of us. Natalee is a pretty popular girl. She's friends with a lot of us. So if she wasn't with one group of friends, it wasn't that no one was looking out for her. It was that everyone was looking out for her, and we all thought she was with another group of friends.

We were all out really late. There was no way the chaperons could have kept up with all of us. I was sitting by the pool until about 5 a.m. And our plane left three hours later.

So I don't blame the chaperons in any way at all. They definitely did their job.

O'REILLY: All right. Well, I appreciate you guys coming in and talking about what is a very painful experience. And good luck in college and thanks again. If there's ever anything else you want to tell us, let us know. OK?

JORDAN: Thank you.

1,914 posted on 06/25/2005 6:11:33 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

Here's my theory -

Shortly before 3:00 AM JvdS calls Pvds to come to McD's (maybe to help solve a problem?)
3:00 AM PvdS arrives at McD's
Between 3:00 AM and 3:45 AM PvdS make three cash withdrawals at the ATM across the street from McD's (some problems take $$$ to solve)
6:30 AM a call is made to the Tattoo DJ/water taxi driver (I wonder if there were prior calls to him between 3:00 and 3:45, perhaps from a pay phone at McD's or some other party's cell phone, to negotiate the cost of solving JvdS's problem)

My $.02...

1,915 posted on 06/25/2005 6:13:51 PM PDT by NCjim (The more I use Windows, the more I love UNIX)

You're doing a heck of a job. This can be emotionally draining, but, bottom line, we need to help find Natalee.

1,916 posted on 06/25/2005 6:14:11 PM PDT by maggief

Well I heard she did say this... This is why I really do not want to do this timeline as too many things have been put out there now.

I understand.... Keep on keeping up the good work ;)

1,917 posted on 06/25/2005 6:15:49 PM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)

To: beyond the sea

Not you again! Is it still raining?

1,919 posted on 06/25/2005 6:17:36 PM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)

Sorry... for starting it and now backing down from it.

Understandable!!

1,920 posted on 06/25/2005 6:18:23 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

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