Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

We need a damned pneumonic to remember.

D before S, so D is older.

I don't know one for short versus tall orinnocent versus guilty.

1,841 posted on 06/25/2005 4:35:03 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)

For starters.....show & tell where the body is.

1,843 posted on 06/25/2005 4:42:23 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)

a class mate killed her.

'Cept we know the trio are the last people w/her by their own admissions.

1,844 posted on 06/25/2005 4:45:49 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)

We're almost on the same wave length. Yes, if she is buried. No way..if she is in the deep Ocean; nothing to retrieve?

1,846 posted on 06/25/2005 4:46:13 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)

Momma Kalpoe (Ramirz sp?) said in her interview that there was 2 years between the brothers. That is where I get the 19 yo age for Satish. News reports say Satish is 18, Deepak is 21 and that Joran is 17. Joran will be 18 late July to middle August as he has his zodiac sign as being a Leo this is from one of his profile pages that is now gone.

Again Momma Kalpoe pointed out that Deepak 21yo is shorter than Satish 18/19 yo.

I have not heard that Satish attends the same school as Joran. I don't know if Deepak is a college student or not.

1,847 posted on 06/25/2005 4:47:41 PM PDT by stlnative (BUT DON'T ASK ME TO BACK THAT UP OR CONFIRM IT)

Remember they had these guys then let them go. Maybe the father [who supposedly knows a little bit about the law even though he flunked his judge test], maybe he told all 4 boys just lie and keep changing your stories around and the police will be so confused by all the differant time lines, stories, etc. they will have to let everyone go eventually.If they dumped her body way out at sea and no one talks how can they let everyone just rot in jail for the rest of their lives?I have a feeling the Arubian system is way liberal! Coffee breaks and cocktail hour in jail?!!

1,848 posted on 06/25/2005 4:48:22 PM PDT by Bush gal in LA

According to the charts, anything
tossed in the ocean would have
come back to shore quickly.
Unless they drove to the furthest
part south on the island, then a
body would wash ashore around
Caracas.....15 miles away. Which I
don't think they would have driven
that far. They would have been in
a panic w/a dead body on their
hands. Gotta get rid of something
like that in a hurry.

1,849 posted on 06/25/2005 4:52:07 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)

To: Bush gal in LA

Whatever PVDS told any of the boys, he's in deep doo-doo himself for any suggestions, he has given.

1,850 posted on 06/25/2005 4:54:19 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)

To: TexKat; maggiefluffs
Timeline compiled by brigette
(there may be errors in this and much of this is unconfirmed)
Sunday - May 29th 2005

Natalee meets Joran for the first time in the Holiday Inn Casino sometime during the evening.
(Some of her friends say this is the first time Natalee met him - media and some of her other friends say she meet him for the first time the day before at the Holiday Inn Casino).

Natalee tells Joran that tonight is her last night in Aruba and that she will be at Carlos N' Charlies Bar later that evening and if Joran will be there later in the evening.

Joran call Deepak while Deepak is working - He asks Deepak if he wants to go to Carlos N' Charlies tonight after her gets off work. Deepak tells him sure.

10:30 pm - Deepak gets off work at about 10:30 pm (Satish picks up Deepak in Deepak's car - Deepak never drives his car to work per his mother) - he goes home to "fix" something and to take a bath.

11:00 pm - Joran's father (PVDS) picks up Joran at McDonald's at 11:00 pm - They return back to the VDS home.

Monday - May 30th 2005

12:10 am - Deepak and Satish drive to Joran's home in Deepak's Silver 4 door Honda -
They arrive at about 12:10 am - They hang around Joran's house for about 15 minute before leaving for Carlos N' Charlies at about 12:25 am. They all 3 arrive at Carlos N' Charlies at about 12:30 am. Natalee is already at the bar with some classmates. Note: Joran sneaked out of the house with the 2 brothers. Joran's mother was away in Holland.

1:00 am - Bar closes and everyone starts clearing out of the bar. - Deepak looses contact with Joran and Satish inside the bar. So he goes outside and sits in his car for about 10 minutes, when Joran, Satish, and Natalee show up at Deepak's car. All 3 get into the car with Deepak. Time is about 1:10 to 1:15 am

1:10 to 1:15 am - As the car is pulling away from the bar area - Natalee yells out the window "Aruba - Aruba" (her friends verify this) and some yelled for her to get out of the car. Deepak says he stopped the car to let her out, but that she said she would just catch a ride from them back to her hotel (unconfirmed).

1:15 am to about 2:15 am - The first story to come from the brothers and Joran is that they all drove to the California Lighthouse beach area and that they took Natalee back to her Holiday Inn hotel at about 2:00 or 2:15 am and that they dropped her off near the front entrance of the hotel. They claim she stumbled when getting out of the car and 2 security guards dress in black with walkie talkies approached her and that they pulled away leaving Natalee with the 2 security guards.

The 3 boys story has now changed and they say that they took Natalee and Joran to the beach (the Marriott Hotel Beach area?) and that the brothers went home and then received a phone call or a text message from Joran for them to come pick him up.

We do not know what happened to Natalee after she pulled away from the bar with the 3 boys inside Deepak's car. We do not know how Joran got back home or if one or both of the brothers went back to pick Joran up. Joran's latest story is that he left Natalee on the beach and walked home. There are rumors that Joran's father was seen at 3:00 am once again at the McDonalds. There are rumors that Joran made it to school that Monday but this unconfirmed and it is unknown if he arrived on time for school if he did attend school that day.

From the International School of Aruba website...

http://www.isaruba.com/activities/events.htm

Upcoming Events
SAT, June 4
Final Exams, June 6-8
Elementary Awards Assembly, June 7
Montessori Moving Up Ceremony, June 8
8th grade Moving On Ceremny, June 9
Last day of school year / end of Quarter 4, June 9 ISA Goodbye, teacher-student games, Baby Beach outing
12th grade Graduation, June 9
In-Service day for teachers, June 10
Secondary Report Card grades due, June 13
Secondary Report Cards go home, June 15

748 posted on 06/24/2005 12:31:47 PM CDT by brigette (I have tons of sharp cheese to hand out to the Natalee thread whiners. :-)
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1,851 posted on 06/25/2005 4:54:24 PM PDT by stlnative (BUT DON'T ASK ME TO BACK THAT UP OR CONFIRM IT)

" Father at ATM machine (this would have been on Monday morning)

Rumor-Father at McD's (this would have been on Monday morning) ""

Concerning your above post - I wonder what the location of the ATM is??? Could it be that he was seen at the ATM (possibly close to the McD's), and it was mistakening thought he was at McDonald's, but in reality he was at the ATM??

1,854 posted on 06/25/2005 5:03:06 PM PDT by Pepper777

So, Beth arrives at about 3:00 am at the vds and about 3:00 pvds is at atm. She must've gotten there just after he returned.

1,855 posted on 06/25/2005 5:07:43 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)

"Aruba - Aruba" (her friends verify this) and some yelled for her to get out of the car.

Thanks for that info. I heard about her yelling but didn't know .... some yelled for her to get our of the car. I understand your statement that there may be errors or unconfirmed.

Good job!

1,856 posted on 06/25/2005 5:08:44 PM PDT by presently no screen name

To: monkeywrench; All

Great research, monkeywrench! Makes one wonder the reasons PvdS was rejected. Bet he had a chip on his shoulder. Didn't I hear Fox News report that PvdS had contacted Crues (sp?) about a job????? I thought that was strange! Did anyone else hear that?

1,857 posted on 06/25/2005 5:09:18 PM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)

(possibly close to the McD's)

From post 1713:

FYI -

ATM "About 20meters away. It's from Aruba Bank, and it's right across from (high-rise) McD." (arubagirl)

1,713 posted on 06/25/2005 2:35:00 PM PDT by maggiefluffs

1,858 posted on 06/25/2005 5:10:41 PM PDT by NCjim (The more I use Windows, the more I love UNIX)

Incompetence can mean alot, I guess. From laziness, to a gambling problem.

1,859 posted on 06/25/2005 5:12:31 PM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)

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