Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2

1,921 posted on 06/23/2005 7:27:23 AM PDT by Nita Nupress

I was afraid that bringing in the animals would force a delay.. you can't even take dogs to Hawaii without a lot of rigamarole...

1,922 posted on 06/23/2005 7:31:13 AM PDT by pamlet

That was mean!

I couldn't help it. This little red man on my left shoulder made me do it. :)

1,923 posted on 06/23/2005 7:34:37 AM PDT by Nita Nupress

To: af_vet_1981; Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; brigette; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; ...

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - Fox News

Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out

Thursday, June 23, 2005

This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: A FOX News exclusive: Dutch teen Joran van der Sloot's (search) parents go "On the Record." Their son was the last known person to see Natalee Holloway (search) the night she disappeared, and tonight he's behind bars at the Aruba prison. We spoke with Paul and Anita Van Der Sloot earlier today.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

Anita, your son's in custody. How tough is this for you and your family?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT, MOTHER OF DUTCH SUSPECT: It's extremely tough. He's in custody now for 13, 14 days, I think. I have lost count. And I love my child. I believe in him 200 percent. And it's just like a big nightmare. We don't know how to deal with it because you can't deal with it. We think about the family a lot because their life is a nightmare, too, but our life is a nightmare, too.

VAN SUSTEREN: So how do you get through the days? I mean, can you see your son?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: No. The first days, when he was at the police office, I could go in sometimes in the morning, see him for five or ten minutes, sometimes at night, and I could hold him. I couldn't talk about the case or anything, just about love from this and this person, friends from Holland called, people who wrote e-mails. So I spoke with him about these things and just told him to stay strong and to tell the truth.

And yesterday, he got transported to the Kia, the correction institute, Kia — that's how we call the prison here — and I could visit him a little bit longer. My husband, Paul, gets no access to him at all, and they refuse his lawyer to get any access to him during interrogation. He could tell me a little bit about his interrogations that were really, really tough. A lot of pressure on him, extreme pressure.

VAN SUSTEREN: What kind of pressure do they put on him?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: Hours of interrogation, sometimes 10 hours, things like calling him psychopath, murderer, Tell us where you buried the girl, You're a criminal, I can't beat you, but if I could beat you, I would do this and it would look like an accident, not always giving him food, extreme things.

VAN SUSTEREN: When you meet with him, do you have a time limit?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: I have a time limit, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: And who's present?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: With somebody, some of the officers is there, or the guards. And if I talk about the case, I can leave.

VAN SUSTEREN: How does he look? You saw him last night. How did he look to you?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: You know, we were so pleased that he was transported because we thought it would be a little more mild on him and he could rest a little more. At least, he has a bed now. And I could bring a cushion and clean sheets for him and some clothes because he couldn't shave during the last 10 days, hardly shower — he could shower, but also not enough water to brush his teeth, et cetera, et cetera. He couldn't — the only thing he could read was the Bible he got from a very nice police guy. He got a Bible to read.

And he was telling me, Mommy, look at me, I'm reading the Bible. Did you ever think about that? And I think it's great. It's difficult to read. So yesterday, I thought at least, you know, he can have some books. He can write things because I think that's very important for a 17-year-old boy to write down certain experiences, just to read it over again later and see if it helps him to come through a difficult time. But he cannot have access to anything.

VAN SUSTEREN: What's he like? I realize you're his mother, but what's he like?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: Joran is a very outgoing person. He's a sweetheart. To me, he's very warm. We spend Easter vacation in Florida together to visit his school, and we had a lot of fun together, went to Busch Gardens (search), and he was getting me cups of coffee and making jokes. He's very outgoing, loving, caring, fights with his brothers all the time, but I think that's pretty normal. We cannot get him out of bed in the morning to go to school, but once he's there, he's doing great. He got picked up on the morning of his graduation. He graduated with honor, all As and Bs. He did some AP, advanced courses, physics, calculus, AP English.

VAN SUSTEREN: Any drug use or alcohol use by him?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: A hundred percent no. No. He is, like, Mom, I would not smoke or I would not use drugs because I am a sporter. I want to make something out of my future. If there would have been anything of that, I would have noticed. I'm a teacher. I work with kids between 12 and 18 years, the last 25 years. So you're used to so many things, problems that appear with your students. You're so alert. And I think you're even more alert with your own children.

VAN SUSTEREN: Any trouble from him at all? I mean, have you ever any trouble with him?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: No. A little fight with a friend that got solved by talking to the parents.

VAN SUSTEREN: Never arrested?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: Never arrested, no. No.

VAN SUSTEREN: Girlfriends?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, of course. I mean, there were two girlfriends in his life that he had a longer relationship with. One was an American girl, who left, who was part of the school, and she just sent an e-mail totally upset because she finished the relationship and she thought that Joran was too sweet, she needed a stronger man. And another girl was an Aruban girl and — a very sweet girl, came here at home. And that ended about — it was a year ago, and he was really serious. He said, Well, Mom, you know, I'm going off-island to study, so I need to focus more. And there was no really strong relationship.

VAN SUSTEREN: So how does he find himself in this? I mean, if this is a successful 17-year-old, soon to go to college on academic scholarship, why does he find himself sitting over in the jail?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: I'm sorry! Something he told me last night, that he still didn't believe it was true. And he said, Mom, don't worry, because I was crying and he was really hugging me. He said, The truth will come forward, and I know that I didn't do anything to the girl. And the truth will come forward. And he was so strong.

And I believe in him. I believe so in him. And he's just, like, Well, Mom, it's not so bad in here, but if I'm not here, and I'm thinking about you all the time and I'm praying and I'm meditating, because that's something that he went to yoga classes for a while. Of course, he was 16 then, so for him, it was, like, Why do I have to go to yoga? But he liked it. So that keeps him positive. And he is repeating over and over in those few minutes that I see him, It will all be over.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VAN SUSTEREN: Coming up, much more of our exclusive interview with Joran Van Der Sloot's parents. Paul Van Der Sloot was interrogated by police over the weekend, and in just a moment, he will go "On the Record."

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VAN SUSTEREN: Tonight, we are live in Aruba, where Joran Van Der Sloot is in jail. He is suspected it the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. We spoke with Joran's parents earlier today. Here is more of our exclusive interview.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

How hard is this on you and your husband? Is there a way to describe it?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: No. No way to describe it. I sometimes am desperate. I scream. Sometimes I'm very quiet. We talk a lot. It affects him very much.

VAN SUSTEREN: He's quiet?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: He's very quiet. He's very shy. He doesn't like media coverage at all. And he's very much hurt by things that are happening. And as I look back — I mean, I came back from Holland Wednesday, and I was so surprised at seeing three young men — one kid, two men — involved, maybe, in the disappearance of a girl. Why did they let the boys go? Why didn't they interrogate immediately deep, see wherever any...

VAN SUSTEREN: Including your son?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: Including my son, yes. He should have been held. He should have been interrogated from the beginning on. What did you do? Where did you go? Is there anyone you have seen there? But they let the kids go. And he went on with his exams, and he was a normal teenager. He was under pressure. He knew that things were wrong, but — and the girl was missing. But he repeated, She will appear somewhere. And if she does, I'll kick her butt in front of her mom because she brought all of us in trouble. That's what he repeated several times.

VAN SUSTEREN: To you?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: To us. And in school, too. He spoke about this in school. He spoke about it with the teachers. Kids were a little bit — Joran, what did you do with the girl? And then a colleague came to me and said, Anita, please tell Joran not to speak too much about it or let not others speak to him about it. Just let him be quiet because you know how teenagers are.

So I asked my husband to call him one day when he was on the bus — he left school already on the school bus — and to talk about this with him. Joran, be careful what you say because the girl is still missing. And you don't want to get into trouble, just giving him parental advice. And that was something that we continuously did. Joran, don't go out this week because you know you're watched.

VAN SUSTEREN: On your wrist, you have two bracelets. One says...

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: Hope for Natalee.

VAN SUSTEREN: You got those from Beth.

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: I got those from Beth yesterday, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: What was that like for you to sit down and talk with Beth?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: We asked the police to talk to her at the beginning already, but they said, No, better don't do this, and it's all too emotional, and you don't know what happened. But I knew that this is a mom, too, and she's in pain. She suffers. She doesn't have her child yet. And I just wanted to hold her. I just wanted to hold her and let her know that we fully support, and we all want to find the truth and we're not hiding anything. Nothing. We're not hiding anything, nothing, from no one.

She's always welcome here. I know she prays at the same site where I pray. It's a beautiful site on the island. And it hurt me to see her during this process. It takes such a long time. And day by day, we're trying to get through day by day. But I still have my son. And although very difficult, there's not one moment, not one second, that I don't think about her or Natalee.

I pulled my little happy angel from the Christmas storage box, and it's burning in my room with Natalee's picture in front of it. We just feel for her and for the rest of the family.

VAN SUSTEREN: Paul, you were sitting here with us a second ago and had to get up to answer the phone as Anita and I were talking. But I just wanted to ask you a quick question. I can't imagine how hard this is on you. Is there a way to describe what this experience is like for you, going through this, your family?

PAUL VAN DER SLOOT, FATHER OF DUTCH SUSPECT: It's very hard. But we still are standing up and we try to handle this in the best way. And I hope Joran can stand up, too. I still believe in him.

VAN SUSTEREN: You still believe in your son?

PAUL VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you believe that he can go through this interrogation?

PAUL VAN DER SLOOT: I hope so, that he will stand up.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was it hard for you to talk to Beth yesterday?

PAUL VAN DER SLOOT: I want to share the feelings we have also for her.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

1,924 posted on 06/23/2005 7:41:56 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

From what I can tell, these three are being allowed to talk in the presence of Aruban authorities. And they are arguing about the details of their stories. Maybe it's just me, but I see wisdom in that. These young people could go to jail for years and all are probably not equally culpable. So it would be natural that the less culpable would have a very interested stake in the truth of the more culpable's story. And the MC would not want the LC to tell the truth. So allowing them to go at it, while being observed by authorities who can then add this to the other info they are getting from questioned them, could add considerably to their store of knowledge of the events of that night.

Yes, Mrs. VDS is able to see her son, but an Aruban authority stays by her side and listens to everything. If she brings up anything about the case at all, the interview is over and she is escorted out.

1,925 posted on 06/23/2005 7:43:37 AM PDT by twigs

Yes, I would Howlin and so would almost every parent

In my life, the ONLY people I've ever seen NOT TALKING are guilty people.

Maybe you think that Natalee's family should have just stayed in Alabama rather than inconvenience Joran's family and the Aruban police? After all, they could have just phoned the Holloways when they got good and ready, right?

If this was my son, rather than being on TV trying to convince the world he was "such a good boy" (in the face of all the contradicting facts), I'd be down at the jail, making him tell the truth.

1,926 posted on 06/23/2005 7:44:51 AM PDT by Howlin

To: No Surrender No Retreat

"Natalee's Mother is doing the un P.C. route. A prime example of a loving and tenacious American Mother.

Ms Holloway, give them hell and unleash the dogs of war on this Island Piss hole. NSNR"

--The most dangerous place in the world is that space between a mother and her child.

1,927 posted on 06/23/2005 7:46:22 AM PDT by MIDad23

To: Toespi; Howlin

Yes, I would Howlin and so would almost every parent, until they heard the actual facts of the situation. Jug said that he went to the Joran's home at 3:00 am with five of his friends from Alabama, two police from Aruba and they shined the spotlights into the home, demanding to speak with their son. Come on! If that happened in the US, Jug would have been arrested on the spot and everyone knows it.

Wrong. I would demand that my kid tell all he knows to help this family find their daughter. Only a guilty person/parent would do otherwise. You forget Jug and his friends WERE with the police. And you need to quit trying to compare Aruba to the U.S. It has become glaringly obvious to all of us that there is no comparison.

And you forgot to mention that Joran wasn't even home at 3:00 a.m. that Tues morning, when Jug, and his friends first arrived in Aruba, which was ANOTHER school night, BTW! Daddy sloot had to call Joran on his cell to find out where he was, for cryin out loud!

I agree with Jug. Joran is hardly the angelic boy his teary mamma is trying to convince everyone he is. This boy has obviously been raised with little or no parental authority or supervision. Yes, his parents love him, but so what? If Joran is hoping to get off the hook because his mamma goes on t.v. telling about what a wonderful boy he is, he better think twice.

1,928 posted on 06/23/2005 7:46:48 AM PDT by demkicker (A skunk sat on a stump; the stump thunk the skunk stunk; the skunk thunk the stump stunk.)

What does Aruban Law say about manslaughter or murder if there is NO BODY?

1,929 posted on 06/23/2005 7:48:25 AM PDT by 1Old Pro

To: No Surrender No Retreat

As Rodney would say," Can't We All Just Get Along?"

I think Rodney has been misquoted; I think what he really said was "Can we all just get a Long Island Iced tea?" :-)

1,930 posted on 06/23/2005 7:49:47 AM PDT by Howlin

A body is not needed...but IMO, under Dutch law, w/o a body a conviction would be unlikely.

Heck, even if VDS copped right now to raping, killing, and cutting Natale up into little pieces, he'd probably only get 15 yrs, and be out in 12.

1,931 posted on 06/23/2005 7:51:00 AM PDT by ContemptofCourt

It says NO CRIME was committed. No body, no charges.

1,932 posted on 06/23/2005 7:51:21 AM PDT by Howlin

I feel the same way, too.

1,933 posted on 06/23/2005 7:51:28 AM PDT by celtich1

We cannot get him out of bed in the morning to go to school...

That's because he's out at the bars and casinos until 3 AM.

If there would have been anything of that, I would have noticed.

No offense, but again if he's out at the bars and the casinos regularly until 3 AM, she has no idea what he's up to. He may not use drugs because he considers himself an athlete, but she'd have absolutely no way of knowing given the lifestyle he's been allowed.

1,934 posted on 06/23/2005 7:55:03 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG

To: MinuteGal; xsmommy

He leaves the wife (and mother of his son) to ride out the emotional and stressful interview by herself.

Somehow or other, these people always seem to give themselves away, IMO.

Remember when Laci Peterson was missing and Scott was doing the TV interview and his cell phone rang? He never even looked to see who it was, when it very well could have been the police calling to say they had found her!

He incriminated himself, just as this guy did; the entire "interview" was so contrived and micromanaged, right down to the candle, that that can be the only explanation. VDS left his wife out in front to take the heat.

But I agree she doesn't know anything.

1,935 posted on 06/23/2005 7:56:13 AM PDT by Howlin

To: varina davis

and I still believe in the American way -- the presemption of innocence.

Certainly you know that the presumption of innocence applies ONLY in the courtroom, right?

We're free to speculate.

1,936 posted on 06/23/2005 7:57:41 AM PDT by Howlin

To: No Surrender No Retreat

Some times I believe we should "bring back" the good old boys. :-)

I, for one, am sick and tired of being "outlawyered" by these freaks.

1,937 posted on 06/23/2005 7:58:36 AM PDT by Howlin

To: onyx; txrangerette

I agree with both of you on the VDS's interview. Was that phone call convenient or what? How many people would get up to answer their phone while they're telling people about their son's innocence during a worldwide interview ? Please. It was probably one of his kids in his bedroom with a cell phone.

About the VDS mother: I honestly think she's clueless about what happened while she was in Holland. It looks like Paulus (sp?) has her completely snowed. Stop and think about this for a minute. Most young men idealize their mother (whether they admit to it or not), and it was obvious that Joran loves his mother after hearing her descriptions of Joran's demeanor during her jail visits.

Joran calls his Daddy for help after-the-fact, and both agree to not tell the Mother because it would break her heart. Plus, she wouldn't be able to lie convincingly about it like Papa can.

I'm sure Joran loves his mother, just like any young man. He probably pleaded with Paulus, "Don't tell Mama, please... don't tell her..."

And yeah, these parents' denial of their son's behavior patterns is just appalling. I wonder if they've ever looked at his websites? I just can't imagine letting my 17-yr old son run wild like that.

1,938 posted on 06/23/2005 7:59:00 AM PDT by Nita Nupress

To: Howlin; varina davis

that misunderstanding runs rampant on FR, doesn't it? the presumption of innocence does not apply in the court of public opinion, everyone is free to think whatever they please.

1,939 posted on 06/23/2005 8:02:39 AM PDT by xsmommy

To: Howlin; Nita Nupress

he showed himself to be a coward hiding in the bushes the day before when greta and beth were at the gate. i agree the mom is clueless and heartbroken. that dad knows what went down.

1,940 posted on 06/23/2005 8:04:11 AM PDT by xsmommy

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