Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2

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FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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FR Quick Ping List (copy & paste) - active posters to the thread
(there is no real ping list - I really do not have one and I do not plan to make one)
Andy'smom;bonfire;brigette;kcvl;maggiefluffs;No Surrender No Retreat;Palladin;Rippersnapper;sarasota;TexKat;theophilusscribe

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

 

[presently no screen name]

best girlfriends stick together

EXACTLY. One doesn't usually go off w/out the other. Her friend left one hour before closing time and left w/o her.
No guy was paying attention to her, maybe?

And the only one I heard was drinking was Natalee.

You are right - something doesn't add up.

[presently no screen name]

Good post.

Bottom line is what is important. Natalee's missing and where is she.

[monkeywrench]

An interesting crime mystery. I also like the fact that it's so online.

[monkeywrench]

"SCARBOROUGH: All the friends went back to the hotel. And did you all see her go back to the hotel or not?"

"BYRD: I am just leaving it that we saw her there"

. "SCARBOROUGH: Saw her that night."

"BYRD: Right"

. "YODER: Yes. Absolutely."

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So Natalee left the hotel, again, after returning when C and C's closed?

[devolve]

They were not "The Magnificient Seven" adults in Aruba -

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Nobody really wins in court except attorneys & judges - that is what a good lawyer will tell you - Stay out of court - period!

(And sometimes other criminals)

If they put their finger on the plate

(not to infer all attorneys are "challenged" - but "billing" is more of and dark art than a science - I've seen some lawyers bill clients at full boot - for talking on the phone to a new office intern with zero experience - the big guns - I have a few - don't stoop to those tricks)

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http://gallery.magic965.com/displayimage.php?album=197&pos=66

This picture is from March 2005 at Carlos & Charlies Bar.
Notice "Dutch" boy on the right by the monkey mural on the wall.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

You do not shut out the FBI, if they want in especially in the USA. Jon Benet Ramsey was not a kidnapping case, and the FBI has exclusive jurisdiction in those cases.(Kidnappings) USA

The Ramsey's bought their way out of that one. There was no justice and the two parent's murdered their own daughter

I will agree that was one F' Upped investigation.

When things in an investigation get out of control and or sound investigative procedures are not followed then it is time to ask for help from the FBI.

Letting the professionals take charge or assume on an investigation is not heavy handed tactics. Aruba can always have their law enforcement officers there at every step of the investigation.

In light of the Dutch Law and Exclusive Jurisdiction the bottom line, who would you rather have conducting this criminal investigation? The Keystones Cops or the FBI? I will always choose them over Aruban Peace Officers.

Are you not aware they released the three prime suspects at the very beginning and believed their B.S. fabricated lie concerning the two security guards. It must have been very nice to be afforded ten/eleven days to clean up any incriminating/tangible/intangible evidence. If I were a criminal I would love for the Aruban authorites to be in charge of my cases. One might say, commit a murder? want to get away free? Dial 1-800-ARUBA-COPS extn, COPs-Ain't-Us.

Do you really think if this investigation continues as it is, there will be any justice served or obtained for Natalee? I say not even, but if I am wrong I will personally ping you to say I was wrong. NSNR

[WestCoastGal]

bookmark

[txrangerette]

No, that is not what they are saying. It is proven that she was never seen returning to the hotel.
They are talking about some of her school acquaintances seeing her at Carlos and Charlies, but these same kids don't seem to have seen her as she was leaving it. Others, however, have said they saw her leaving, and even spoke to her as they were exiting the club, before she was seen in a vehicle with the three males.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

I thought paulus was such an upstanding aruban citizen and father. If one is innocent,then they should have nothing to hide by talking.

Time to call in, The Conqueror Worm to bleed that little POS.

Hey AF_VET_1981, have you noticed some of the apathy and anti-Americanism by some fools who ventured into the FR? Maybe they should all move to Aruba and I am sure they would fit right in with the click. NSNR

[maggief]

Sasha's 15th bday pic gallery:

http://album.pancayente.com/displayimage.php?album=19&pos=0

[Howlin]

I don't report anything except death threats and articles that we're not suppose to excerpt. It was not I!

[TexKat]

The darkhaired girl on the left of the photo is the one I am referring to.

I know I saw her early on, it had to be Memorial day because if I remember correctly I was home all day. And I got totally discussed with her, because Fox News continuously replayed her interview and she came off either dumb, totally naive, or a religious freak. I think that she is more of the latter although thats a little harsh.

[the Deejay]

Onyx thinks the same as you & I about that girl.

Something about her, doesn't sit right.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Roger that!!!NSNR

[TexKat]

O'Reilly checked all the FBI contacts possible - they never gave any such orders to the chaperones

O'Reilly sucks!! O'Reilly has reported more than one thing regarding this case that has turned out not to be true. Since when does the FBI report to that butthead.

Butthead thinks he knows more about this case than the people that are actually involved.

[eleni121]

Absolutely did not deserve this whatever she did. All day I have seen editorials talking about the misplaced emphasis on this case - and the fact that she is white and young and that is why we are fixated! It's absolute PC drivel.

OAP -I just heard that Joran is changing his story - hopefully breaking down. For one so young he is a devious and sneaky and corrupt SOB.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Hey Deejay, would that be a "flake?" I was thinking the same of the young lady in question myself. NSNR

[maggief]

We should call that a plaid shirt alert!

Up on stage dancing with spring breakers/tourists, might be a regular thing for the party boy in plaid.