Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2

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FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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FR Quick Ping List (copy & paste) - active posters to the thread
(there is no real ping list - I really do not have one and I do not plan to make one)
Andy'smom;bonfire;brigette;kcvl;maggiefluffs;No Surrender No Retreat;Palladin;Rippersnapper;sarasota;TexKat;theophilusscribe

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

 

[ContemptofCourt]

That is an excellent post.

[CitizenM]

You know the whole theme of the article that you posted from that AM (Aruba: Natalee Holloway Would Have Been a One Day Story if Her Name was Lateefah - by Steve Yuhas) is utterly stupid because None of this hype, None of this focus, None of this intensive coverage would have continued - IF the Arubian Govt/Police had not messed up their investigation and had co-operated and provided answers. Our "obsession" has little to do with news being slow, what color the girl is, or any of the reasons he gave.

He stated:
"...In what should have been a one or two day story where nothing new has been learned, except that the black men taken into custody initially have been released and no charges were conferred against them, the media is fixated on Natalee Holloway and Joran van der Sloot..."

He is right, it should have been a two day story - and if handled correctly by Arubian authorities it probably would have been!

[celtich1]

I was thinking that Joran's mom might have insisted that the dad go talk to Natalee's mom at the gate. (?) I also noticed that when Natalee's mom was leaving, Joran's mom gave her a kiss on the cheek. I'm sure that both moms just want their kids safe and at home and are frustrated with the system.

[onyx]

I saw those two interviewed too. It was like they were coached, with their crisp answers.

I don;t know what to believe, but I was stunned when the one said Natalee went over and introduced herself to VDS.

WHY would VDS sneak out of his house on a "dull, no action, Sunday night" unless he had met her earlier?

[elli1]

The Arubans brought in a judge from outside of Aruba, BECAUSE their judge on Aruba hasn't the experience of this type of case to properly judge it.

Which is basically the same thing as moving a hearing or trial to a neighboring jurisdiction or calling in district attorneys from outside the jurisdiction for consultation or appointing a special prosecutor--something that is done quite often in the US. And that wasn't the only reason cited, either. Another reason was to avoid the appearance of partiality because of the suspect's father's affiliation w/ the Aruban courts. Bringing in an outside judge was a move to demonstrate impartiality.

[onyx]

Natalee's dad and stepmother ARE in Aruba. They have been interviewed but not often. They live in Mississippi.




I thought they reside in Alabama?

[Palladin]

From the GretaWire--Greta was to spend all day today with Beth Holloway. Her show should be good tonight.

There is also a picture of the inside of my hotel room with Natalee Holloway's (search) mother. After we did our "surprise" visit to the home of the Dutch teen, we went back to my room to regroup. Natalee's mother is the one sitting on the floor in the picture. By the way, I admire Natalee's mother. She is one determined woman! Of course I meet many amazing people — including people like Sharon Rocha (search) — people who never wanted to be heroes or role models but who were thrust into that position by some ugly event.

Yesterday I planned on spending the day with Natalee's mother in order to figure out how she spends her days searching in this foreign country. We ended up spending 90 minutes in the home of the Dutch teen with his parents so I did not get the chance to spend the day searching.

Today the plan is to spend the day with Natalee's mother... let's see if the plan is carried out. I am to meet her at 9 a.m. at her hotel (incidentally, she is staying in the same room Natalee was staying in when she vanished.) As an aside, I hope to blog more details about the meeting with Natalee's mother and the Dutch teen's parents in the near future.

[Ditter]

I have not been posting but I have been paying a little attention to Natalee's disappearance. My question from the beginning has been, Why would they hide a body on a small island when they could take it out to sea and dump it? I doubt that the girl will ever be found. Unless one of the boys cracks and talks, it is over.

[the Deejay]

It was like they were coached, with their crisp answers.

Same thoughts I had.

The darkhaired girl is the one that was in an interview in AL, right after NH came up missing, and that darkhaired girl, acted so gleeful during the whole interview.

I was shocked!

One of her classmates is missing and she's acting gleeful!? She seemed pleased to be on tv! Not a bit upset her friend is missing.

Matter of fact, this girl is shown in many group photos w/NH.

[af_vet_1981]

We asked if he was arranged to meet us and he said yes

All true from his perspective, he did arrange to meet you ...

[texasbluebell]

Like Natalee's mother, Beth, has said, "They hold the key". Why haven't these guys been formerly charged? If you have the right connections and belong to the right family in Aruba, does that mean you get to continually lie to the authorities without any consequences?

I think it was Rush today who came out with this: "Do you know that van der Sloot translates as Kennedy in Dutch?"

[TexKat]

Natalee's dad and stepmother ARE in Aruba. They have been interviewed but not often. They live in Mississippi.

Natalee's real dad and stepmother reside in Mississippi.

Natalee's real mom and stepdad reside in Alabama.

[Veto!]

Thanks, tbb. This is a very strange case. Apparently because Aruba Justice seems nonexistent.

[Palladin]

You are right, Ditter. All three boys have lived on the island for many years. They surely knew where the sharks congregate. And they had enough money and connections to get a boat in the wee hours of the morning.

The good thing is--the more accomplices they had, the better the chance of someone cracking and telling the truth about that night.

I think Steve Croese is the weak link, and he will break and tell the Aruban police what they need to know. The game should be all over for Joran and the Kalpoes by this weekend.

[onyx]

Totally agree. That first interview left me dazed too, but then I thought "well, she's young and hasn;t yet realized the gravity of Natalee's disappearance" but that interview last night has left me rather upset: " Natalee sought him out in the casino and introduced herself?"

[onyx]

Where in Mississippi I wonder? Maybe near the MS/AL border?

[helen crump]

Here's my theory. I think it is possible that VDS slipped her the date rape drug or something like it. Isn't the effect of that to take away inhibitions? If that is right she may have willing gotten into the car and even waved to others. Maybe the three young men took her and all planned to "be with" her. Otherwise, why would all three have gone if it was just a romantic interlude between NH and VDS. Nothing I have heard about this girl indicates she would have such poor judgment on her own as to go with them. Maybe, she and VDS were in the back of the car while the others waited their turn in the front. Then maybe Natalie's system couldn't take the drug and she either totally passed out or died from the drug. Then the three guys launched a cover up. That is my theory with a lot of maybes.

[af_vet_1981]

We are also surprised that no one -- at least to the knowledge of the few kids I talked to -- can pinpoint who *actually* saw Natalee get in the car and who *actually* saw her waving as they drove by. By the time the first group was leaving Aruba, at least a dozen kids were consistently repeating the story that she had been seen getting in the car and then seen (by same or others) driving by and waving. One of Beth's first statements to the press said 20-40 teens saw her *get in.* But as we try to pin it down -- "you heard it from whom who heard it from whom" and so on -- we (I mean me & the few I've spoken with) still haven't found any of the original sources.

This could be significant.

[af_vet_1981]

The good thing is--the more accomplices they had, the better the chance of someone cracking and telling the truth about that night. I think Steve Croese is the weak link, and he will break and tell the Aruban police what they need to know. The game should be all over for Joran and the Kalpoes by this weekend.

They need to believe their lives are over unless they tell the truth.

[Palladin]

Your theory is the simplest, and makes the most sense. Many LEA would agree with you.