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Wishful Thinking: Europeans talking up a book that says America is about to collapse (nonsense!)
WORLD MAGAZINE.COM ^ | JUNE 15, 2005 | Gene Edward Veith

Posted on 06/16/2005 5:49:13 PM PDT by CHARLITE

The French sociologist Emmanuel Todd was one of the few experts to predict the fall of the Soviet Union. Now he is predicting the fall of the United States of America.

His book After the Empire: The Breakdown of the American Order (Columbia University Press, 2003) has been a bestseller in Europe. It plays into many Europeans' sentiments against the Iraq war and their belief that America has become an Evil Empire. (See "The Darth Vader fallacy," June 11.) But his book offers encouragement to America-phobes: Far from being an invincible hyperpower, according to Mr. Todd, the United States is really weak, decadent, and falling apart.

America's current war-mongering, in his view, is its last-ditch effort to be relevant in the new global environment that doesn't need it anymore. America's vaunted military is actually weak, only capable of picking on tiny countries. Even though America liberated his country, Mr. Todd insists the U.S. military was not so great even in World War II. Russia won the war, he claims, not America.

Isn't radical Islam a threat to the world? Not at all, says Mr. Todd. All cultures go through a revolution as they enter modernity. Islamic revolutionaries frame their ideology in religious terms. But so did the English revolutionaries when the Puritans beheaded the king and established the modern principle of parliamentary supremacy. So did the American revolutionaries. But the religiosity soon fades away once the revolution ushers in modernity. All revolutions are violent. Today's jihadist revolutions are just Islamic societies entering the modern world.

Isn't American democracy the beacon of the world? No. While the rest of the world is indeed becoming more democratic, America is losing its democracy. Mr. Todd points to the gap between the rich and the poor and the rise of powerful corporate elites. He maintains that America is becoming an oligarchy, in which only a few–the rich and the powerful–truly rule.

Mr. Todd sounds like a Democrat in his critique of the U.S. economy. America is actually dependent on the rest of the world for its investment capital, labor, and products. Pointing to the trade imbalance and the budget deficits, Mr. Todd says that America is no longer capable of production. All we know how to do is consume. And once the world stops subsidizing the American economy, our standard of living will collapse.

Into the vacuum left by the demise of America will rush the unified Europe. Contrary to the common assumption, he says, Americans and Europeans do not have the same civilization. America is still backwardly religious. Europeans, though, have embraced modern secularism. Europeans have nothing against Muslims. European economies are proudly protectionist, their foreign policies peaceful, and their governments truly democratic.

Mr. Todd predicted the fall of the Soviet Union by applying his crackpot theory that social liberation is a function of high education and low birthrates. Russia's birthrate fell so precipitously–largely from abortions–that Mr. Todd felt freedom was at hand. He guessed the outcome but surely missed the reasons. Mr. Todd is optimistic about Europe mainly because birthrates have fallen below replacement level, which he considers to be a good thing.

Never mind the economists panicked about the labor crisis that awaits the next generation. Or the historians who see such low birthrates as a mark of a civilization in decline. Or the political observers who see the Islamification of Europe–and the end of its secularism–as Muslim immigrants outpopulate native Europeans and vote themselves into power.

Today, Mr. Todd's boasts ring hollow. The statist European economies are stagnating, with unemployment as much as 10 percent and overregulated businesses unable to compete globally. Muslim terrorists are now striking the tolerant Europeans. And now Europeans–even the French–are voting against the constitution of the European Union.

Mr. Todd's projections are a mix of leftist ideology, the postmodernist construction of alternative truths, and, above all, wishful thinking. —•


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"Into the vacuum left by the demise of America will rush the unified Europe."

Emmanuel needs to adjust his meds.

1 posted on 06/16/2005 5:49:14 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: ThreePuttinDude; Beth528; SMARTY; Ghost of Philip Marlowe; CyberAnt; nothingnew; Cornpone; ...
For your interest!

Char :)

2 posted on 06/16/2005 5:49:53 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: CHARLITE

He better hope we don't remember the French like this in 2044 when we have to rescue them from Islamic domination.


3 posted on 06/16/2005 5:54:02 PM PDT by JLS
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To: CHARLITE

The left is on the brink of total collapse. They just cant figure it out but boy do they try. How can one ideology be wrong about everything?


4 posted on 06/16/2005 5:54:30 PM PDT by badgerbengal (close the border and open fire.)
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To: CHARLITE

Yeah, it was pretty good that the Russians took care of the Japanese on those Pacific islands. Etc, etc. /sarc


5 posted on 06/16/2005 5:55:01 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: CHARLITE

If Europe today is "unified," I would hate to see it in disarray.

It's so sad to see Old Europe trying so hard to distract themselves from the fact that the heydays of their countries are long, long gone. How pathetic.


6 posted on 06/16/2005 5:55:20 PM PDT by AQGeiger (Have you hugged your soldier today?)
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To: Leapfrog
This guy is sitting in the middle of a transformation of his own territory into "Eurabia", and he doesn't seem to realize what's going on all around him. He's writing about "the collapse of America" with his feet on one giant sink hole.
7 posted on 06/16/2005 5:55:40 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: CHARLITE

""the United States is really weak, decadent, and falling apart""


some is projecting their own failings


8 posted on 06/16/2005 5:56:08 PM PDT by atlanta67
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To: CHARLITE
But the religiosity soon fades away once the revolution ushers in modernity. All revolutions are violent. Today's jihadist revolutions are just Islamic societies entering the modern world.

That type of thinking will get you killed.

Islam isn't about this world or its pleasures it is about doing what God wants done and that is knuckling under non-believers or killing them. - tom

9 posted on 06/16/2005 5:56:28 PM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: AQGeiger

When exactly was Frances heyday?


10 posted on 06/16/2005 5:57:02 PM PDT by badgerbengal (close the border and open fire.)
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To: CHARLITE
Emmanuel needs to adjust his meds.

Or be given a stern lecture by his father:

"Leave it alone-It will grow."

11 posted on 06/16/2005 5:58:21 PM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: CHARLITE

"Mr. Todd's projections are a mix of leftist ideology, the postmodernist construction of alternative truths, and, above all, wishful thinking. —•"

And the terrifying reality that european voters will turn Right at the next election!


12 posted on 06/16/2005 5:58:21 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Understand Evil. Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD link My Page.)
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To: badgerbengal
When exactly was France's heyday?

Sometime before Napoleon's "invasion" of Russia and Waterloo.

13 posted on 06/16/2005 6:00:19 PM PDT by AQGeiger (Have you hugged your soldier today?)
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To: CHARLITE

You may yet convince me that your name would be better placed at the front of the ticket.


14 posted on 06/16/2005 6:04:37 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: CHARLITE

I can't take it anymore. I'm going to vomit. The Unified Europe? Unified in the vision that they're all going to hell at the hands of the overpopulated third world that feels it's owed something from Europe.

Oh wait. That does sound kinda familiar. Where the hell is Aztlan, anyway.


15 posted on 06/16/2005 6:06:26 PM PDT by NHAntiMassRedRebel (Our only fault is that we're 40 minutes north of Boston.)
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To: atlanta67

"Weak and decadent?"

What's the deal with "weak and decadent?"

Since when did "weak and decadent" suggest collapse to a European?


16 posted on 06/16/2005 6:07:54 PM PDT by TSchmereL (Dick Turban is a commie turd bin!)
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To: CHARLITE
"Europeans have nothing against Muslims."

But it isn't exactly mutual. See previous sentence.

17 posted on 06/16/2005 6:08:38 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: CHARLITE

Did he write a book about the fall of the EU or did that one pas by too fast for him.


18 posted on 06/16/2005 6:09:10 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: badgerbengal

wow so many issues to adress here, but ill stick with these two.

One is the comment about the "weak" American military, first of all we took out the most powerful military in the middle east in three weeks and we only used about 25% of our force, we did what the Soviets who "won WW2" couldnt in Afghanistan, and those hairdressers across the pond wouldn't EVER dare to attack to the US even if we voted in Nazis, which wont ever happen

The other comment is the one about us losing democracy, first just because the American people use common sense is not losing democracy, second, while i know he is way left, Senator Harry Reid from Nevada is proof that anyone can rise to power in American which is 99.9% impossible in any European country. Third if Im not mistaken America is the most free country in the world, go try to buy a rifle in France.

While I believe people like these are idiots, some can be helpful if they believe America will fall if they dont act to stop it, if they believe America will fall no matter what then they are just plain stupid. One last comment American can not be compared to any other country because it is like no other country is or has been


19 posted on 06/16/2005 6:09:49 PM PDT by future F22 pilot (FREEDOM)
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To: CHARLITE

"Russia won the war, he claims, not America."

Who beat Russia in the Cold War?


20 posted on 06/16/2005 6:10:55 PM PDT by Brilliant
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