Natalee's body found... (false report)

[Rippersnapper]

I agree with you 100%. I wonder if he didn't dare go to the police because he did use a date rape drug on her. He didn't look like much of a scuffle took place but then again we saw him 2 weeks after the event.

It is even possible for the police to solve this case considering their initial negligence?

[spectre]

I agree. We might assume that if he tried to cover it up, then he was in part, responsible for her death? He probably was, even if it was an accident or an overdose. But then again, he wasn't thinking clearly. If he had a dead body on his hands, he must have been panicked beyond my comprehension. So the coverup began. Either way, he's toast now. I don't know if he can plea bargain?

[Quilla]

Sadly, it seems the investigation continues to be negligent. Y'all could probably add considerably to this list, but I post it to point out the obvious:

1. Natalee Holloway disappears.
2. The last three to be seen with her are questioned and released.
3. Two security guards are implicated and held in her disappearance.
4. They seem to have airtight alibis and relatives incredibly passionate about their innocence.
5. The three young men are picked up again and held.
6. A high ranking Aruban official states body has been found while another states there was human blood in the Honda.
7. Another official rebuts previous statement and oh, that was just saliva.
8. The two security guards are released.
9. Panties, condoms, and duct tape are discovered in the local lover's lane and bandied about for the media by boy who found them.
10. Swamp is drained.
11. The home of one of the three young men is finally searched and his parents' cars seized.
12. Aruban officials state the three have been under constant electronic surveillance since their initail release.
13. Natalee Holloway is still missing.

[Rippersnapper]

Speaking of the panties, it would be nice if we knew they were definately ruled out.

[maggief]

I read the other nights may have been too warm to use the heat sensing helicopter.

Did anyone catch the messages on JVDS's webpage from Freddy and Jaime? They were in Papimiento, but mentioned CnC's, etc.

[Rippersnapper]

I read the other nights may have been too warm to use the heat sensing helicopter.

I'm sure authorities had it under surveillance anyway. /sarcasm

I did notice some of the messages being in a different language but didn't pay too much attention to it.

[maggief]

Translated from Aruba radio TOP95 ... SM



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HARRY:
resumen of the last 24 hours:
yesterday we moved alot behind the lighthouse w. a group of people we serached without getting naything.....when we were their their was a weird helicopter flying low...then later at 5.00pm we were at noord at the police station were VD STRATEN awas comign out we asked him ....he said everythign is the same he cant say anytnhing whether shes dead or alive...and he said theirs a helicopter from the US checking to see where their can be holes that could have been dug recently and itwas a computerized computer, its only a few weeks more before he goes on vacation and retires...they cant have anythign yet...pother info......we have concetrated too much ont he locals, but that doesnt mean their can be poeple form the extretior on this, but VDSTRATEN says he cant say anything, yester day they thought should strat interogating the mother and other families on teh island .....but nothign nothing about NH neither info of her being dead or alive...any more info I can get ill let you know....
EDMOND:we are waiting for other collegues that might have more info, this news takes lots of time of journalists and is a long one already, long nights no sleep and days with no sleep...we want to give words of strentgh to local presss that are doing good job at this ....and tnx for cooperating with us
JUANCHO:we are very much into the local pressa nd also we have freidns of the US press, and we spoke of the bad part of the press is that WE have to go otu and get the news, we have to be everywhere and do everything wherever we see somethign "going on" and we need to processit......this makes it easier for speculations because nothign is given to us from the officials.things are bigger than they appear...
.EDMOND:they stopped the daily press conferences becuase they hurt more than they helped......the US press had a great "dinner" with those beucase till this day they are making fun of the information given......but we must say we are sure theyare doing a job, their are many local policve doing their job and they have lots of pressure....the last information we got is that thier is absolutely no idea or clue as to where NH is......the youngster say they did makeup a story but the story was to just as youngsters to make up to not have themselves involved in this......also they heard JvdS said that its true he stayed w/ NH at the fishermans huts to swim, and NH went to HI and he walked home after that...again this is form an undisclosed informant so its NOTHING CONFIMRED NOR SAID BY ANY OPFFICAIL....this is just a informative of mine that gave me that information........I have to say that this makes this at this moment that JvdS is one of the main suspects, thats why we went over to serach his house completely but this produced NOTHING....talking to a close ferwind of JvdS that she would put both her hands in fire for JvdS that he IS innocent, hes not a person to commit a crime, as to muyrder a person, hes not that kind of person, hes not a person to push any relationship, if you liek to be with him fine if no tthen fine too, he doesnt push you to do nythign....she knows him for 10 years, and says she will put her hands in fire for him knowing he is INNOCENT.....
The anger managment thing I have no info about that.......look everyione has a small anger problem you can ttell me that you dont get angry buecase i get far away from you when your mad!hahahhaa, but that doesnt mean your capable of commiting a crime

[Andy'smom]

Latest from SM, translation of report on radio:

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HARRY:
resumen of the last 24 hours:
yesterday we moved alot behind the lighthouse w. a group of people we serached without getting naything.....when we were their their was a weird helicopter flying low...then later at 5.00pm we were at noord at the police station were VD STRATEN awas comign out we asked him ....he said everythign is the same he cant say anytnhing whether shes dead or alive...and he said theirs a helicopter from the US checking to see where their can be holes that could have been dug recently and itwas a computerized computer, its only a few weeks more before he goes on vacation and retires...they cant have anythign yet...pother info......we have concetrated too much ont he locals, but that doesnt mean their can be poeple form the extretior on this, but VDSTRATEN says he cant say anything, yester day they thought should strat interogating the mother and other families on teh island .....but nothign nothing about NH neither info of her being dead or alive...any more info I can get ill let you know....
EDMOND:we are waiting for other collegues that might have more info, this news takes lots of time of journalists and is a long one already, long nights no sleep and days with no sleep...we want to give words of strentgh to local presss that are doing good job at this ....and tnx for cooperating with us
JUANCHO:we are very much into the local pressa nd also we have freidns of the US press, and we spoke of the bad part of the press is that WE have to go otu and get the news, we have to be everywhere and do everything wherever we see somethign "going on" and we need to processit......this makes it easier for speculations because nothign is given to us from the officials.things are bigger than they appear...
.EDMOND:they stopped the daily press conferences becuase they hurt more than they helped......the US press had a great "dinner" with those beucase till this day they are making fun of the information given......but we must say we are sure theyare doing a job, their are many local policve doing their job and they have lots of pressure....the last information we got is that thier is absolutely no idea or clue as to where NH is......the youngster say they did makeup a story but the story was to just as youngsters to make up to not have themselves involved in this......also they heard JvdS said that its true he stayed w/ NH at the fishermans huts to swim, and NH went to HI and he walked home after that...again this is form an undisclosed informant so its NOTHING CONFIMRED NOR SAID BY ANY OPFFICAIL....this is just a informative of mine that gave me that information........I have to say that this makes this at this moment that JvdS is one of the main suspects, thats why we went over to serach his house completely but this produced NOTHING....talking to a close ferwind of JvdS that she would put both her hands in fire for JvdS that he IS innocent, hes not a person to commit a crime, as to muyrder a person, hes not that kind of person, hes not a person to push any relationship, if you liek to be with him fine if no tthen fine too, he doesnt push you to do nythign....she knows him for 10 years, and says she will put her hands in fire for him knowing he is INNOCENT.....
The anger managment thing I have no info about that.......look everyione has a small anger problem you can ttell me that you dont get angry buecase i get far away from you when your mad!hahahhaa, but that doesnt mean your capable of commiting a crime.

[maggief]

More from SM:

Harry: we got an emial form someone important that if FBI is here already w/ dogs and divers.....why dont we do a polygraph anyways just for some help ion this??
Edmond: I asked you this but you said it cant be used as proof, but it can be used as help in a case.......ok so i dont know.....if this is able to be used then i think the FBI should already have one coming.....
Harry: the media keeps questioning the police here....but this is not this...
E: i dont think the police should get mad though they should know this is a ridicule becuase they just need a story...imagine they even have a radio w/ a boycott for aruba becuase of our police dptmnt. tey say we have a fragil police Dept that dont know there job, well poiice i want to say that we are not the type to go to the extreitot to talk bad about the police...we trust you and pray that your doing a good job, we will defend you as long as your doing the best oyu can....listners we ask your attention:
this is a story, we are strong arubians, we need to understand their are americans that love aruba and others that are bad,........they laucnch frontal attack to aruba......you can see this in Diario pg 11.....Alabama has put aruba on Black list.....this news is one we have recieved and confirmed already (I will ge tthe newspaper and type it over for the sight.....)...the radio is THE SOURCE 101 at birmingham alabama,,,,,aparently they hava mornign show that has thousands of listeneres...they are runnign a intensivecmmercial against aruba, and frontal attack comeltely to boycott aruba and consider Hawaii and PRico and Florida when on vacation but PROHIBIT aruba, because of the way that the aruban police have handled the case of NH since May 30//......the discourage anyone to come to aruba t stay away....the US is not perfect but they are capabale of resolving crimes and investigatin...they have high level of crime investigaiton and resolving.......when americans want to go to an island go to hawaii...antoher unidentified group of oregon also call for a complete boycott to Aruba.,they say they do this boycott beucase the nmother of NH decalred to press because the authority are loooing for ways to portect the 3 boys beucase one is son of a judge......again the same story but yes this porogram went to FOX news yesterday, in the Oreilly show, and they spilled this news that the Alabama news boycotts aruba.........hes now going to a live taping of the Oreilly show

[Andy'smom]

Sorry, we both posted it at the same time!

[Rippersnapper]

The sad thing about all this is that if he has been using that date rape drug on other women, they wouldn't remember it and thus can't come foreward to say so.

Straten is goig on vacation soon and then going to retire? Who take his place?

[theophilusscribe]

Thanks for the ping!!

[Rippersnapper]

The did botch this investigation. They wasted two precious weeks. They have no one but themselves to blame that they are being laughed at and ridiculed and torn to pieces over their poor police work.

[theophilusscribe]

Yeah. Poor Evander won't be dancing anymore. But I do like John O'Hurley. He's fun in that self-effacing way . . . definitely is the comic relief of the show.

[maggief]

"... like a cowboy ..." ???

http://www.al.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-14/111892952854590.xml&storylist=alabamanews

Asked Thursday why it took investigators more than two weeks after Holloway's May 30 disappearance to search the home, Attorney General Caren Janssen said: "You have to build up an investigation. You can't just go in there like a cowboy, you have to give certain direction to investigators."

Janssen, who went into the house with investigators Wednesday, declined to discuss the case, but said the father was not under investigation. Paul van der Sloot is a judge-in-training, serving a three-year term that allows him to hear a limited number of cases.

[Quilla]

I'd sure prefer investigators who act like cowboys than Mayberry deputies.

[Rippersnapper]

That's bull crap. When those 3 guys admitted to ahving been with Natalee the ngiht before she disappeared, the police should have gone through all of their houses. When they said 'something bad happened to her' they should have been the primes suspects and brought in for detailed questioning, not the security guards!

[maggief]

... while locking up two patsy SG's to take the rap, interviewing them once while incarcerated and again pending their release.

[WestCoastGal]

It appears the more our media rips them to shreds over their investigation the more they go back and start doing what they should have done to begin with.

Think what would happen if our media, specifically FOX had not gone down there and started talking to people and putting this story up across the country.

[Rippersnapper]

When those boys said 'something bad happened to her', had they been taken into custody, and their homes searched, the police just might have been able to find some DNA on their clothes, because they might not have been washed yet. The whole thing might have been solved, right then and there.

Something else just occured to me. Did they say they found nothing in the car? They should have found long blonde hair strands, if nothing else. We KNOW she was in that car, they even tell us that.