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Kerry's Vietnam (Boston Globe painted into a Corner)
Boston Glob ^ | 6/10/05 | GLOBE EDITORIAL

Posted on 06/10/2005 6:34:31 PM PDT by bitt

DESPITE THE continuing gripes of his critics, records released this week show that Senator John Kerry served honorably in Vietnam. The documents should put to rest claims that Kerry misrepresented his military record in the presidential race. But Kerry's failure to respond to the smear campaign launched against him last summer lent credibility to its real objective: to impugn his equally honorable opposition to the war.

John O'Neill, a Houston lawyer and Kerry's adversary on the war since 1971, acknowledged as much in a telephone interview Wednesday. ''We produced seven commercials," he said of his anti-Kerry group, now called Swift Vets and POWs for Truth. ''Only one dealt with Vietnam activities." O'Neill was incensed by Kerry's memorable testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971, in which the young veteran, clad in a combat shirt, criticized the war.

Kerry has said that he may have used a poor choice of words when he cited other veterans' reports of atrocities as being ''in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan." But his basic analysis was sound: Vietnamese and Americans were dying needlessly because the war was a mistake, and US policymakers allowed it to continue even though they were aware that their strategy for victory was failing.

The Swift Boat ads ....snip

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To: dead

Wow. Hadn't seen that one before. It really says it all. Thanks, I think? :)


161 posted on 06/11/2005 7:20:08 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: JarheadFromFlorida

Been keeping track of ol Hanoi Jane....I wanna be first in line to piss on her grave.....

Guess I'll have to add Hanoi John to the list......Got a beermeister...plenty of ammo....

Semper Fi


162 posted on 06/11/2005 7:21:59 AM PDT by halfright (9/11 3,000 Americans MURDERED...close the borders!)
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To: bitt

JF'nK is a lying traitor ~ Bump!


163 posted on 06/11/2005 7:22:37 AM PDT by blackie
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Good morning.
"Curious Yellow and curtisgardner must be high school drop outs."

I disagree. Based upon the stand they are taking in this thread, I would guess that they are both products of the post 1970 public school establishment.

Michael Frazier
164 posted on 06/11/2005 7:53:35 AM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: JLO

They don't realize what they are missing.


165 posted on 06/11/2005 8:00:42 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: FreedomPoster

"Anyone who believes what Kerry's kneepad-wearing, NYT-owned, hometown newspaper said about a document release, without an actual complete publication of *the* signed 180 and the released documents (pdfs on a web page, originals available for view), probably doesn't have the critical thinking skills to "know" much of anything."

I guess you didn't read my posts where I said the Globe should explain the discrepencies in their own account and produce the form 180--or at the least say exactly how Kerry filled it out.

I also noted Kranish is a Kerry sycophant. Though, to be fair, Kranish and the Globe got out a lot of information about Kerry long before anyone else in the mainstream media. Even his trip to Paris to meet with the enemy:

http://tinyurl.com/2bces


166 posted on 06/11/2005 8:31:48 AM PDT by Curious Yellow
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To: brazzaville

I have not said anyting like curtisgardner's posts. I think Kerry's service record if very important and absolutely a topic for discussion.

My complaint is that there have been extremely far-fetched claims made, that now seem to be becoming received as facts, when there is not one scintilla of evidence that they are true. Such as Kerry having been dishonorably discharged.

Kerry was the most famous ex-military leader of the anti-war movement. Kerry, during this period was constantly running for political office, using his service records as his main selling point. Kerry was loathed by most of the military, especially the Navy.

You have to be smoking crack to believe he would have gotten a less than honorable discharge and that fact wouldn't have leaked out at the time. Also, you have to be crazy to think that discharge would be changed by Carter or anybody, and that fact wouldn't have been leaked out.

All of this conjecture is based on two thin reeds. The dates of his discharge--which were thoroughly explained by many a ex-Navy officer on this very board. And the fact Kerry couldn't get into a better law school than Boston College.

Well, truth to tell, BC is a pretty good law school. And it is a slight miracle he even got into there with his grades at Yale. Besides, do you think BC would have let him in with a dishonorable dischange for protesting the war (and betraying his country) when Harvard Law--the home of the most commie lawyers in the world (Critical Legal Studies) wouldn't?

Again, just preposterous.


167 posted on 06/11/2005 8:43:34 AM PDT by Curious Yellow
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To: Curious Yellow
I'm glad you agree that Kranisch is a sycophant, toady, what have you. And just for the record, I'm not agreeing with others that Kerry was dishonorably discharged then somehow got it expunged later -- my feeling is that may be a dead-end, but we don't know for sure.

As for his actual service inconsistencies, that are too many to enumerate. I read "Unfit for Command" and believe using the word "inconsistency" understates the differences. Falsification, fabrication, and outright lies are a better description of his so-called "heroics". Again, I served alongside the Swiftboat crews for just shy of a full year and I tend to believe their version of events rather than his. Regarding the Purple Hearts, most of the men I served with, all volunteers by the way, had integrity and would not claim a Purple Heart for scratches, especially when their fellow crewmen were being maimed or killed by enemy fire.

168 posted on 06/11/2005 9:59:14 AM PDT by CedarDave (Viet Nam Vet, USN Coastal Div. 13, Cat Lo, USCG patrol boat, 1968: Didn't see Kerry's sorry ass.)
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To: Curious Yellow
Good morning.
"All of this conjecture is based on two thin reeds."

I guess I missed the part about gunboat johnnie's Boston College admittance being a cornerstone of the case against him. I thought the argument was that he was protected by Ted Kennedy and the other antiwar, anti-American leftists in the legislature. You know, the ones who put him up in front of the cameras at the hearings.

You have to admit that the fact that kerry has been shown to be a liar so many times, about so many subjects, supports the idea that he lied about his separation from the Navy.

I've never smoked crack but I believe fully that the left protects it's own and kerry was definitely one of their own. You sneer at the allegation as "far-fetched" but you offer only your opinion to counter it. There is no evidence that what you say is true because kerry continues to play games with his records.

Michael Frazier
169 posted on 06/11/2005 10:01:18 AM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: FreedomPoster
BTW, I sent more money to the Swiftvets in the last election, than I did the Bush campaign.

So did I! (Grin)

170 posted on 06/11/2005 10:06:50 AM PDT by CedarDave (Viet Nam Vet, USN Coastal Div. 13, Cat Lo, USCG patrol boat, 1968: Didn't see Kerry's sorry ass.)
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To: CedarDave
Yeah, I believe the accounts of O'Neil and the other SBVT in Unfit entirely. I think it's been proved that Kerry lied about his activities, and had lied to get his Purple Heart(s) and other commendations.

That is the worst thing about the Kranish piece as well as the BG editorial. That they try to make out that these records released through the form 180 exonerate him and prove his version of events. That is total BS, and you can bet your bottom dollar if any records surfaced that did do that in any way, they'd be on the BG's front page.

I'm disagreeing with the emphasis that has been placed here on the discharge controversy. I don't think there has ever been any credible evidence that there was a dishonorable discharge. And by concentrating on that, the other stuff gets short shrift. And it make the accusers seem a little crazy.

The pressure should be kept on Kerry to do a release via the form 180--and the third option--where he could put in that he wants ALL of his records released. Then, in the place where you put whom they're to be released to, Kerry should put in--for anybody who asks for them.

That way people like you and me or O'Neil could file a FOIA and get copies of all of the records they have in St. Louis on him. But even so, I don't think there are any smoking guns. Unless there are some after action reports that prove Kerry lied about how things went down.

But constantly talking about a coverup about a dishonorable discharge is counter-productive. And makes the everybody look like whackjobs, because it is so out there. It just gives Kerry and company an excuse. "You can never please people like that," etc.

171 posted on 06/11/2005 10:12:48 AM PDT by Curious Yellow
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To: brazzaville

"I guess I missed the part about gunboat johnnie's Boston College admittance being a cornerstone of the case against him."

It is a lynchpin in all of Lipscomb's articles about the alleged dishonorable discharge. Starting with his first article on the subject November 1 of last year:

"A member of the Harvard Law School admissions committee recalled that the real reason Mr. Kerry was not admitted was because the committee was concerned that because Mr. Kerry had received a less than honorable discharge they were not sure he could be admitted to any state bar."

http://tinyurl.com/b4bmk


172 posted on 06/11/2005 10:17:21 AM PDT by Curious Yellow
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To: Curious Yellow

O.K. We're on the same page now. Have a good afternoon.


173 posted on 06/11/2005 10:17:46 AM PDT by CedarDave (Viet Nam Vet, USN Coastal Div. 13, Cat Lo, USCG patrol boat, 1968: Didn't see Kerry's sorry ass.)
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To: brazzaville

"You sneer at the allegation as "far-fetched" but you offer only your opinion to counter it. There is no evidence that what you say is true because kerry continues to play games with his records."

You need to read more closely. One of the things this charge is based upon is the so-called Carter amnesty. That executive order had to do with the people who broke the Selective Service (Draft) laws exclusively.

For some reason Sullivan and Lipscomb and others have gotten it into their heads that it could have been used to change Kerry's discharge status. Not true.

This is just one example. The law school conundrum is another. But you and others seem determined to believe what you want to believe, facts be damned. Which is a hallmark of the left.


174 posted on 06/11/2005 10:22:53 AM PDT by Curious Yellow
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To: Curious Yellow
Good morning.

Actually, I think I have less invested in the less-than-honorable discharge theory than you do. My loathing for john kerry comes from what he did during and after his 3 months in Vietnam.

My response to you was prompted by your assertion that such a discharge couldn't be kept quiet. You need to read more closely, yourself, slick. My argument was that the left could and would protect an asset like gunboat johnnie and you don't have anything but your opinion to prove me wrong because kerry continues to prevent a full and complete examination of the record.

Michael Frazier
175 posted on 06/11/2005 11:22:47 AM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: Curious Yellow

>>>>Remember, Kerry went into politics immediately after leaving the service. He used it as an excuse for his premature separation--to run for Congress.

It is a federal offense to lie about your military service, with regard to gaining position or advancement.


176 posted on 06/11/2005 12:52:58 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: CedarDave

Yeah, I sorta figured that might be the case, from your tag line. ;-)

Having read Unfit for Command, and a lot of news stories on the general subject, O'Neil and crew seem entirely credible to me. The Leftie attacks on them are the kind of mealy-mouthed hairsplitting, mincing of words, and definition of "is" nonsense we have come to expect, and they are unwilling to and don't face the core issues raised about Kerry's history, both in Vietnam and immediately afterwards. Unfit for Command and The New Soldier pretty much tell the story there.

My father was in his early 30s in 65-66, when he flew Caribou out of Can Tho. I know the kind of man he was, and what his peers were like. What I see in O'Neill and the Swiftvets, are very similar men. So when I see these low-life scum, who have largely never served their country, attacking O'Neill, I also see it as an indirect attack on my father and the rest of the military, a military we have every right to be extremely pround of.

Kerry cannot be run out of the Senate on a rail too soon. The fact that Mass continues to be represented by this clown is just an enormously poor reflection on them.


177 posted on 06/11/2005 3:54:09 PM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: presently no screen name

They had cleaned him up enough to get within about 100,000 votes (in Ohio) from the presidency. Awfully skerry when you think about it.


178 posted on 06/11/2005 9:47:19 PM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Washington State--Land of Court-approved Voting Fraud.)
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington

Perhaps but how many were just anti-Bush votes and/or voter fraud?

LOL I agree, 'awful skerry'!


179 posted on 06/11/2005 9:55:08 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

True, but there's always a big batch of 'Rat vote fraud that has to be overcome. It just worked to put our former attorney general into the governor's mansion out here--a 133-vote win amidst a sea of 1,673 proven but unallocated illegal votes. And remember, 'twas probably mostly anti-Bush votes that put The 'Toon into office in '92. It's frightful to see what kind of trash the 'Rats routinely nominate--Hillary will be next (unless sKerry can have his way).


180 posted on 06/11/2005 10:11:21 PM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Washington State--Land of Court-approved Voting Fraud.)
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