Posted on 06/08/2005 4:41:38 AM PDT by echoBoomer
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - An Israeli researcher has challenged the popular belief that Jesus died of blood loss on the cross, saying he probably succumbed to a sometimes fatal disorder now associated with long-haul air travel.
Professor Benjamin Brenner wrote in The Journal of Thrombosis and Haemostasis that Jesus's death, traditionally believed to have occurred 3-6 hours after crucifixion began, was probably caused by a blood clot that reached his lungs.
Such pulmonary embolisms, leading to sudden death, can stem from immobilisation, multiple trauma and dehydration, said Brenner, a researcher at Rambam Medical Center in Haifa.
"This fits well with Jesus's condition and actually was in all likelihood the major cause of death by crucifixion," he wrote in the article, based on religious and medical texts.
A 1986 study in the Journal of the American Medical Association mentioned the possibility that Jesus suffered a blood clot but concluded that he died of blood loss.
But Brenner said research into blood coagulation had made significant strides over the past two decades.
He said recent medical research has linked immobility among passengers on lengthy air flights to deep vein thrombosis, popularly known as "economy-class syndrome" in which potentially fatal blood clots can develop, usually in the lower legs.
Brenner noted that before crucifixion, Jesus underwent scourging, but the researcher concluded that "the amount of blood loss by itself" would not have killed him.
He said that Jesus, as a Jew from what is now northern Israel, may have been particular at risk to a fatal blood clot.
Thrombophilia, a rare condition in which blood has an increased tendency to clot, is common to natives of the Galilee, the researcher wrote.
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He died to just possibly save somebody
No that's what YOU beleive!!!
Either way, I can go out whoring, drinking, raping and killing to my heart's content in the knowledge that no matter what I do, it will not impact my salvation.
What a great system!
ping
Oh that's so cute. You've made up a name for those of us who won't drink the Calv-aid. That's so special.
Circular argument. Anyway, it doesn't matter. No matter what I do, it is because God has predestined that my actions should take a certain course. If we follow your arguments to their logical conclusion, there is no moral basis for us to punish people for murder or any other crime. Heck, the ten commandments are irrelevant since no one chooses to follow or violate them. How could they be if God is the cause of their murdering?
The scripture doesn't even make sense?
Are you dense?
So was Alger Hiss and Walter Mondale.
He is unthwartable because for the 50TH TIME....SCRIPTURE SAYS SO.
These two statements are contradictory. If everything that occurs is due to God's plan, then he is the puppetmaster.
No, I believe He died on the Cross to actually purchase a ransom for his elect. I don't believe like the Arminians that the Cross might have ended up with nobody coming to faith after.
I question your nutty certainty that you've got it all figured out. You've reduced God to a trigonometry proof. It's amazing.
You are wrong.
If we go out doing those things and feel no remorse, make no attempt to change etc....that is evidence that the Holy Spirit is not in us and we do not love God.
And since your faith is fake as shown in your actions, you obviously aren't predestined or saved.
Amen to that!
I must have touched a nerve in my last post. You've gone from debating your viewpoint to making mocking comments by calling me silly/hilarious. Your whole theology is based on a half dozen scriptures that use the word predestinate, while you willfully igore and cannot refute the few of many that I've quoted that clearly state otherwise. Defend your predetermined "faith". Sorry. Heaven isn't a closed list country club. God is still taking new members.
I haved reached the conclusion that
You don't know WHAT you believe.
There is no point. Blessed be to God the Capricious.
SD
God's truth is logical, so why is it a surprise I found a logical system based on the Scriptures? That isn't reducing anything.
Like I said, it is quite seductive and re-assuring.
SD
I think I figured it out:
Post hoc ergo propter hoc
Sir or Madam, you are not "Scripture." You're understanding of Divine Revelation, such as it is, is not "Scripture."
When you are being illogical and refusing to answer questions, my argument is not with "Scripture."
SD
Still doesn't matter. Since I am predestined by God to either be saved or not saved, however I act is also part of that predestination. Who are you to say that God has not predestined "bad" people to go to heaven? After all, only God can truly know who is elect, correct?
Your argument that good acts are an outward manifestation of being one of the elect is really no different than the Catholic doctrine that good works are part of salvation. They boil down to one statement: Good Christians do good things.
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