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Man with concealed-carry permit shoots gunman (Ohio)
Dayton Daily News ^ | 03 June 2005 | Kelli Wynn

Posted on 06/03/2005 1:34:51 PM PDT by Deadeye Division

Man with concealed-carry permit shoots gunman

By Kelli Wynn

Dayton Daily News

DAYTON | Two men carrying guns approached a 40-year-old man at Riverview Avenue and Catalpa Drive early Friday. Their victim bent over with outstretched hands.

Then things changed swiftly.

The targeted man pulled out a Glock 23 handgun — he has a concealed-carry permit — and fired several shots, hitting one of the gunmen, police said.

Police were dispatched to the 2000 block of West Riverview at about 12:45 a.m. on numerous calls about a shooting.

Police found the 40-year-old male victim at his Dayton residence. He told them that he was walking west on Riverview when he was approached by two males in dark clothing coming from Catalpa. One shoved the victim, the victim turned around and both men in dark clothes flashed handguns, police said.

The victim then "began to back away in a bent-over position with his hands outstretched," according to a police report. Then he pulled out a Glock 23, a .40-caliber handgun, striking one gunman several times, police said.

The two ran off, but police said they caught up with possible suspects at Good Samaritan Hospital.

The victim has both a Dayton Firearms Owner's Identification Card and Montgomery County Concealed Carry Card, police said.


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To: G32

The real deal is sitting up in my closet waiting for my son to get home. I bought him a H&K SOCOM 45. He decided to take the Glock on this trip in case he had trouble getting his gun back to the states. The Glock is worth $500 the H&K is $2000.


41 posted on 06/03/2005 2:41:33 PM PDT by Recon Dad (Good thinking)
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To: Disambiguator

Amen,

Good Stuff!!

If someone wants more after you put a Corbon 9mm 115gr HP in their chest a 45 isn't going to make that much difference.


42 posted on 06/03/2005 2:43:15 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: TheDon
"Kelli properly identified who was the victim and who was the perp."

My thoughts exactly.

43 posted on 06/03/2005 2:43:33 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Abathar
I'm 6' 2" and almost 300 ( :-( ) lbs. What recoil?

The vic in this near-mugging probably wasn't 6'2"/300lb. :-)

Hey, if the FBI thinks the 10mm kicks too hard with full-tilt loads to be an effective self-defense cartridge, I'm inclined to agree.

44 posted on 06/03/2005 2:44:34 PM PDT by TChris (Liberals: All death, all the time.)
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To: Recon Dad

The guys I know in Iraq don't bother with the pistol they just carry two more M-4 mags.


45 posted on 06/03/2005 2:45:40 PM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: Deadeye Division
The two ran off, but police said they caught up with possible suspects at Good Samaritan Hospital.


46 posted on 06/03/2005 2:45:40 PM PDT by Petronski (How do you solve a problem like Petronski?)
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To: Deadeye Division

gotta love it


47 posted on 06/03/2005 2:46:59 PM PDT by lormand (George W. Bush is saving your ass, whether you like it or not.)
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To: Loyal Buckeye
I can't wait for a full report from Amnesty International and the ACLU.

The man with the concealed carry permit is a walking gulag!

48 posted on 06/03/2005 2:47:56 PM PDT by Petronski (How do you solve a problem like Petronski?)
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To: TChris
You might be right, but us bigger guys stick with what we KNOW will knock them head over heals. Running away is more of a comedy than a practical choice, so we want to make sure we don't have to.
49 posted on 06/03/2005 2:51:13 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for not reading the whole article since 1999)
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To: G32

I love my 23 and I'm glad to hear this guy was well armed and cool thinking.


50 posted on 06/03/2005 2:53:03 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: TChris

I suspect that's why you had deputy dawgs spraying rounds all over the place in that shooting of a driver last week: lots of .40s and .45s punching holes in the sky.
Believe I'll go with the CZ 75 nine. It's coming out in stainless steel and I like the weight for target-shooting. A .357 or 10 mm doesn't do any good if you can't handle controlled double-taps.
And I kept looking for 'By Whamo' on a Glock I handled the other day . . . anything other than 9, kaboom!


51 posted on 06/03/2005 2:55:31 PM PDT by tumblindice
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To: unixfox
Right on! The Constitution does not say you need a permit. It says the government can pass no law that infringes on the right to keep and bear arms. A permit is an infringement.
52 posted on 06/03/2005 2:58:13 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: tumblindice
I suspect that's why you had deputy dawgs spraying rounds all over the place in that shooting of a driver last week:

That, or because there were multiple officers shooting at a moving target in a neighborhood... just a thought. ;-)

53 posted on 06/03/2005 3:01:51 PM PDT by TChris (Liberals: All death, all the time.)
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To: Disambiguator

That's EXACTLY what I use.

based on the rec.guns FAQ on the subject.

I couldn't give him Cor-Bon, however, as I wouldn't give someone +P ammunition without knowing what firearm it was going into.


54 posted on 06/03/2005 3:03:20 PM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Shot placement counts more than caliber. In most studies the .40 S&W has been considered deadlier than the 10mm.


55 posted on 06/03/2005 3:07:20 PM PDT by Eaker (..Let them throw cake!! . (TheMom)
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To: TChris
Hey, if the FBI thinks the 10mm kicks too hard with full-tilt loads to be an effective self-defense cartridge, I'm inclined to agree.

The FBI phased out the 10mm when they noticed thet their 5'2" affirmative-action female agents and their 140-pound homo yuppie accountant agents couldn't grip or shoot the handgun properly.

For the rest of us, it's a great self-defense choice...but I may be biased ;^)

56 posted on 06/03/2005 3:08:12 PM PDT by 10mm
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To: tumblindice

my Glock 23 will shoot anything-from the cheapest reloads to the Cor-bons, it has never had a single hiccup since I bought it new in '93. I estimate that I've fired at least 4000 rounds through it so far and it's more accurate than me.
Yes, some are prettier, some are costlier, but none will work any better. I sold my Beretta 92F(9mm) to get it as the Glock in .40S&W was more potent yet smaller and easier to carry.
Kahr makes an excellent firearm and so does SIG, but be prepared to dig deep to buy one.
The only firearm I might buy over a Glock would be H&K-if I ever win the lottery...



57 posted on 06/03/2005 3:11:48 PM PDT by snuffy smiff (Jean Fraud Kerry-the Botox BoatWarrior,"oh no, aground again and huge riceberg approaching")
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To: Eaker
In most studies the .40 S&W has been considered deadlier than the 10mm.

Since the 10mm shoots exactly the same bullet as the .40, only sitting on top of a larger powder charge, that statement makes no sense, whatsoever. It's like saying the .38 special is deadlier than the .357 magnum.

If you want to claim that more people have been killed with the .40 than with the 10mm, I will agree, since the .40 is much more prevalent.

58 posted on 06/03/2005 3:17:00 PM PDT by 10mm
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To: Recon Dad
Just out of curiosity, will that H&K punch through a level four vest? A lot of terrorists in Iraq are wearing them now. You don't always get an opportunity for a head shot. Some of the vests the security company I worked for in Iraq would stop up to four AK-47 rounds. The vests just soak up 9MM.
59 posted on 06/03/2005 3:38:39 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: msf92497
This could get ugly.

You mean, as in Rev Jackson headed up to Dayton? I wish someone would just tell that faker to sit down and STFU.

60 posted on 06/03/2005 3:38:48 PM PDT by Marauder (Politicians use words the way a squid uses ink.)
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