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Age-old debate over N.C. barbecue fired up
AP Wire ^ | May 29, 2005 | AP Wire

Posted on 05/29/2005 11:47:02 AM PDT by varina davis

Age-Old Debate Over N.C. Barbecue Fired Up

By MARTHA WAGGONER Associated Press Writer

10:15 AM PDT, May 29, 2005

ARCADIA, N.C. — Fourth-graders here expected a civics lesson when they suggested that the Lexington Barbecue Festival be named the state's official food festival. Instead, they got a lesson in the fierce intrastate rivalry over barbecue that pits west vs. east, tomato vs. vinegar and whole shoulder against whole pig.

"I didn't know so many people would be asking questions and wanting to know how I feel about it," said 10-year-old Kaylyn Vaughan. "You have to realize it is a very big deal."

While Texas generally unites behind beef brisket, Kansas City has its slathered ribs and South Carolina holds dear to its mustard-sauced pork, North Carolinians are divided about their two distinct barbecue styles.

Crowning one style as "official" would be a mistake, said Bob Garner, author of the book "North Carolina Barbecue," which doesn't take a stand on which version is supreme.

"The whole story of barbecue in North Carolina is about these two distinct styles and this fun, family argument that we just refuse to get rid of," Garner said. "People love to argue about this."

North Carolina's western barbecue, also known as Lexington or Piedmont, is made from the shoulder of the hog and has a red, tomato-based sauce. Eastern style takes seriously an old North Carolina adage -- "We use every part of the pig except the squeal" -- and uses a vinegar-based sauce.

The argument about which is best has waged forever, although Garner said eastern style came first. The state's tourism division even conducted an online poll in 2002. Thousands of votes were cast, with eastern winning by a snout, although the head of the Lexington visitors bureau demanded a recount.

The pupils of Friedberg Elementary School in west-central North Carolina fired up the fight innocently enough in February when they decided to undertake a civics project. They could have studied the state tree, the state bird or the state fish. They chose food.

They wrote letters to lawmakers asking that the one-day Lexington event, one of Travel & Leisure magazine's Top 10 food festivals, be named the "state food festival."

Two lawmakers obliged, but when the bills were filed, they mistakenly called for Lexington's event to become the "state barbecue festival."

The damage was done.

"Remind lawmakers that while our humble pig may not get the publicity Lexington gathers from the lying Yankee press, we still put on a pretty good show," columnist Dennis Rogers, a protector of eastern-style, wrote in The News & Observer of Raleigh.

The High Point Enterprise defended the western style, calling it barbecue from "a lean, filet of pork shoulder in Lexington, not all of Old McDonald's pig."

From there, the students' lesson became political. A House committee recommended the festival receive the state designation last month, but the bill ended up in another committee. In the Senate, the bill has been stuck in committee since it was filed.

"I don't really expect that the bill will be heard," said one of its sponsors, Sen. Stan Bingham, a Republican from the Lexington style's home turf of Davidson County.

Bingham denies the bill was meant to say Lexington-style barbecue tastes better than eastern style. "It's just indicating that 150,000 people come to Lexington for the festival," he said, somewhat unconvincingly.

That's what the Friedberg children say as well. And they manage to say it without an arched eyebrow in the bunch.

"I wish we could all get along," said 10-year-old James Lumley.

Then he gets down and dirty.

"I know that we all think western is better than eastern," he said, pointing around the table at three friends, "and I think western is better."

Garner gives the nod to western-style barbecue on two counts: its aficionados have done a better job of sticking to pit-cooked barbecue than their eastern counterparts, who have no big barbecue festival comparable to Lexington's.

But Garner believes it is heresy to pass a bill that essentially gives western-style the imprimatur of being the best.

"I just think it would be a shame to set up either eastern or Lexington as the official thing when it's all about the friendly debate."


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: barbecue; bbq; debate; fired; lyingyankeepress; nc
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To: varina davis; All

Let the fools do the debating, while we do the eating. YUMMMM YUMMMMMM ! Some may be better than the other, but I will never let any of it go to waste.


81 posted on 05/29/2005 3:27:35 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Filibusterer's are fulluvsh*t!)
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To: No Blue States

" then drop a few oak or mosquite chips in "


My wife did our cook-out one day and added the mesquite chips, quite alot of them actually. There is such a thing as too much of a good thing.


82 posted on 05/29/2005 3:27:53 PM PDT by brooklin
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To: Tom D.

Tom, Texans cook with mesquite.


83 posted on 05/29/2005 3:29:45 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: pepperhead

Your receipe for the vinegar based sauce sounds like more of a marinade.


84 posted on 05/29/2005 3:29:51 PM PDT by brooklin
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To: varina davis

Give me Texas hot short ribs of beef or beef brisket any day. It mmay be CT but we do have a displaced Texan up here who barbeques bison and the pulled bison sandwich is unbelievable.


85 posted on 05/29/2005 3:34:25 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: varina davis

Vinegar based for me (although, I'll eat either type)


86 posted on 05/29/2005 3:35:02 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (If their Chief of police is okay with it, I am guessing that we should probably be okay with it.)
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To: Proud_texan
Ah, finally found the thread from last year:

Country's Best BBQ

A comprehensive list of the best BBQ joints in the world. A worthy read.

87 posted on 05/29/2005 3:42:45 PM PDT by Proud_texan (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: brooklin
Your receipe for the vinegar based sauce sounds like more of a marinade.

I use it on chicken and pulled pork sandwiches and everyone that has tried likes it. I am sure you could use it as a marinade or a baste but I don't. Most places around here use a tomato based sauce. But I have had some vinegar based sauce that was the same consistency but with a slightly different taste. I am sure if you do some searching you will find plenty of other vinegar based BBQ sauces that has just about the same stuff in it.

88 posted on 05/29/2005 3:44:15 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: varina davis

This isn't even a question. I grew up in Western NC on the 'other kind' but now that I live in Eastern NC, I have seen the light. Vinegar based is the only kind of barbecue. Although it is acceptable for SC mustard based to be thrown in from time to time


89 posted on 05/29/2005 3:44:40 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: 76834
I will get there next time I'm up in that direction. Meanwhile here's my list of best Texas BBQ:

Louie Mueller's Barbeque, Taylor

Cooper's, Llano

Smitty's, Black's and Kreuz Market, Lockhart.

Sam's and The Iron Works, Austin.

If you're in Lockhart hit all three, you only live once....

90 posted on 05/29/2005 3:48:03 PM PDT by Proud_texan (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Proud_texan

LOL getting fatter just thinking about them

In addition to Betty's here are a couple of good ones in Brownwood.

Sticks
Smittys


91 posted on 05/29/2005 3:57:25 PM PDT by 76834 (Lock and Load)
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To: 76834

I feel a road trip coming on....


92 posted on 05/29/2005 4:03:19 PM PDT by Proud_texan (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: mylife; Fawnn; El Gran Salseron; SandRat

BBQ Ping!


93 posted on 05/29/2005 4:03:59 PM PDT by MS.BEHAVIN (If it is not right, do not do it; if it is not true, do not say it. Marcus Aurelius)
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To: MS.BEHAVIN

Thanks! Bookmarked for later....

If you haven't seen it yet, this bbq thread is good, too:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1411535/posts


94 posted on 05/29/2005 4:06:36 PM PDT by Fawnn (Canteen wOOhOO Consultant and CookingWithPam.com person - Faith makes things possible, not easy.)
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To: ncpatriot

I'm pretty sure it was Gardner's. They had pictures of President G.H.W.Bush on the walls. Thanks I've been trying to remember that for years. If you ever get to central Texas try the City Market in Luling. Better yet, one safe rule is go to almost any town that starts with an L. Llano, Luling, Lockhart, ect......... You'll find good BBQ.


95 posted on 05/29/2005 4:07:17 PM PDT by davetex (hippies and rinos stink, no really I'm not joking.)
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To: varina davis

BBQ isn't a cut of meat, it ain't a style of sauce. .

BBQ is a state of mind.


96 posted on 05/29/2005 4:09:03 PM PDT by Flyer (Tagline: (optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: MS.BEHAVIN

Personally I prefer the vinegar based BBQ
and I like mustard based on Lamb.

As My Son says: "It's all good"!


97 posted on 05/29/2005 4:09:14 PM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: MS.BEHAVIN

And it's Thundering and Starting to rain with big drops right now. So No Q!


98 posted on 05/29/2005 4:09:23 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Fawnn

Thanks Lady Fawnn..
I'll check it out!
Ms.B


99 posted on 05/29/2005 4:09:58 PM PDT by MS.BEHAVIN (If it is not right, do not do it; if it is not true, do not say it. Marcus Aurelius)
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To: varina davis

I was raised on Eastern NC BBQ and nothing IMO beats it. I make the sauce up even if I'm just making a Boston Butt Roast on the smoker for a small gathering.

True Eastern NC BBQ is the whole hog, rubbed, cooked long and slow, hand pulled and mixed with the sauce though some baste through the cooking process.

Get a bun, slap on some slaw, bit of hot sauce and that is some good eating.


100 posted on 05/29/2005 4:11:22 PM PDT by Brytani ("Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work - Edison)
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