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1 posted on 05/24/2005 3:36:17 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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I agree. Make McCain vote with the crats. It doesn't really make him any worse than he already is, but it might help to put him on the spot.

As for me, I want Allen to be the nominee. If it ends up being some RINO, I would prefer a real Democrat.

2 posted on 05/24/2005 3:40:34 PM PDT by Montfort (President George Allen)
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"Frist and Allen and the others are in the catbird seat, as long as they've got the nerve to stand up and say these fellas have cut the deal, it's nice to have the three judges, but we do not accept the deal that denies us [the other] four."

I think Buchanan makes a very good point here. My prediction is that the ultimate end-game for this "filibuster deal" is that George Allen is going to emerge as the front-runner for the 2008 GOP presidential nomination.

3 posted on 05/24/2005 3:41:07 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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To: CHARLITE

Buchanan has nailed McStain perfectly here. Leave it to McStain to grab defeat from the jaws of victory.

The U.S. Senate is a vast wasteland.


4 posted on 05/24/2005 3:43:24 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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>>This would present a problem for McCain and his ambitions

There's a lot more to chew on, here, but if McCain has ambitions, he is truly a madman. Compromisers of that rank (generally known as "traitors") have no constituency, and therefore they cannot reasonably have ambitions. Who would put a character like McCain on their shoulders? Nobody. Not Dems, not Republicans, nobody.


5 posted on 05/24/2005 3:44:48 PM PDT by Graymatter
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"'If the Democrats filibuster, we're going to try to invoke cloture, and you can vote with Harry Reid and Ted Kennedy if you want - all four times.'"

Frist et al would never do it. And if they hinted that they might they would soon be getting calls from the WH persuading them to back off.

9 posted on 05/24/2005 3:49:11 PM PDT by jla
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"Buchanan said that Bill Frist had the votes to override the filibuster..."

If he "had" them, they weren't very secure. He needs three of the seven, to reach 51 votes and change Senate rules.

If the dems default (use filibuster) Frist will be in a STRONGER position to get his rule change.

The real goal is getting judges approved.


12 posted on 05/24/2005 3:54:13 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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After last night's RINO-led betrayal, the big question I'm facing is whether to stay in the GOP or close my checkbook and re-register as an Independent.

Like many people here, I feel the Party told me last night that I'm no longer welcome because my conservative convictions are too heartfelt and that my activism is too polarizing, even though the true conservatism has driven significant electoral successes over the past decade.

Suddenly, I'm not so sure that a civil war in the GOP would be the worst outcome of last night's debacle. Then again, I always felt that Atwater's Big Tent strategy was unwise because it would eventually lead to a crippling schism between what we've come to know as RINOs and real conservatives.


13 posted on 05/24/2005 3:55:14 PM PDT by MaryInSacto
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McCain is a loser.


15 posted on 05/24/2005 3:55:38 PM PDT by mowkeka
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Frist hasn't ceded any power to McCain. McCain is the enemy. His mind was programed by the North Vietnamese. He is the Manchurian Canidate.


16 posted on 05/24/2005 4:00:32 PM PDT by JOE43270 (JOE43270 America voted and said we are One Nation Under God with Liberty and Justice for All.)
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To: CHARLITE; Gipper08; Reaganwuzthebest; MeekOneGOP; devolve; potlatch
I don't put credence in Pat Buchanan. But has he nailed it?

(There went twenty years of fighting the Democrats straight down the toilet.)

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Buchanan told Imus that with a change in the rules, President Bush's judicial nominees would have sailed through the Senate, that any Supreme Court nominees would sail through the Senate, and that "the great battle for the supreme Court was about to be won today" – except for the efforts of the "McCain Seven," who, Buchanan believes, have sold out the positions of the president, Sen. Frist and the entire base of the Republican Party.

17 posted on 05/24/2005 4:00:40 PM PDT by Happy2BMe ("Viva La Migra" - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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I never thought I would hear myself say this but...I just don't give a damn anymore.


24 posted on 05/24/2005 4:10:57 PM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than any of us will ever know! :))
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The sane Buchanon speaks today I see.

I agree. They must tell the others to go to hell. Have the votes and put them on record. Take votes right through '06 if they have to every week. Keep drilling this into public consciousness and make them kiss their careers goodbye with every second this drags on.


25 posted on 05/24/2005 4:11:32 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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President Bush should find ways to make sure he remains the power in town. McStupid is making a play to be king-maker here. Bush needs to cut him off at the knees.

Perhaps some base closures can be re-assigned to Arizona.


26 posted on 05/24/2005 4:12:00 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Linguine Spined Republican Senators Will Lose Their Majority!)
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Buchanon is essentially correct. If Republicans let these 7 buttwipes get away with this then Frist should resign, because he has become worthless. As for any notion that Frist will insist on the other 4 being brought on the floor. It wont happen. No balls.


27 posted on 05/24/2005 4:12:51 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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Does seem that anytime Bush and Republicans are set to roll with their majority, a McCain or Jeffords pops out of somewhere to screw everything up and make it a hard road.

McCain was being a total ASS here. I firmly believe McCain is trying to sabotage Judges so Bush may not have a Judicial legacy to leave the courts that would be historically significant.

I am beginning to think that the wrong part of McCain was cut off in his operations. They should have saved the mole and lost him instead.

What a waste of a Senate seat McCain is.


36 posted on 05/24/2005 4:35:29 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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Frist only needs two of the seven RINOS' votes to invoke the nuclear option...and Cheney would break the tie.

Today Graham and Warner both sounded like they would go along with the nuclear option if/when the Dems decide to filibuster again.

39 posted on 05/24/2005 4:45:34 PM PDT by moondoggie
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Pat Buchannon was right on every point.

These seven betrayed their party. They can vote like a RAT if they wanted to on the actual vote, but theier "deal" was a betrayal of the President and Frist.

Frist is no longer the leader of the Republcian Senate. There is no leader, Frist has no control and the traitors stabbed Frist in the back.


51 posted on 05/24/2005 6:07:04 PM PDT by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (John Kerry--three fake Purple Hearts. George Bush--one real heart of gold.)
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If I were Senators Allen and Frist, I would say, 'Senator McCain, you've cut your deal with the Democrats and that's fine, but you haven't cut any deal on our behalf

Pretty stupid comment. The deal is between 14 senators. It purports to bind noone else. When you hold the balance of power, you don't need anybody else. Got that Pat?

54 posted on 05/24/2005 6:11:29 PM PDT by Torie (Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
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by the time this is over, the majority of these seven, will jump to independent, where they ALWAYS were...

we then have a plurality in the leadership but NOT the majority, and THEY have the dreaded swing vote... in other words CONTROL. They broker the power and the deals. Just like jeffords did.

They should be shown the door if they don't walk the line NOW.
But they won't be.

Cut their political nuts off, ONE at a time, starting with the MOST vulnerable.

Which one is it? Snowe? DeWine?
There is more than one way to skin a jackass in elephant's clothing.

W could do it, but wont.
Welcome to coalition government and the multiparty system.


61 posted on 05/24/2005 6:25:08 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (Please don't squeeze the Koran. I gotta go to the bathroom.)
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Oh gads!!! Yeck!!! I didn't realize this was a La La article from NewsMax or I wouldn't have opened it. But my comment to Alberta is still valid.


64 posted on 05/24/2005 6:40:32 PM PDT by GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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