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MSNBC: Frist Issues New Warning On Filibusters
MSNBC ^ | May 24, 2005 | Tom Curry

Posted on 05/24/2005 2:44:50 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

In the afterglow of the bipartisan accord announced Monday night to avert a Senate showdown on changing the filibuster rule, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist emphasized Tuesday that he wasn’t a party to the deal and would quickly try to implement the rule change if Democrats resumed use of the filibuster to derail President Bush’s judicial nominees.

Frist’s proposal, which he calls “the constitutional option,” and which his foes call “the nuclear option” would lower the threshold for ending Senate debate on a judicial nominee from 60 to 51.

Monday night’s bipartisan deal prevented a vote on Frist’s proposal, as seven GOP senators promised to vote against it.

“The constitutional option will be used if… mindless, irresponsible filibusters become the tool of choice for the Democrats,” Frist told reporters.

Thus Frist made it clear only 18 hours after the accord was announced just how brittle it was. It seemed that a decisive vote over filibusters of judicial nominees had only been deferred for a while.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; bush; democrat; filibuster; frist; judges; nuclearoption; obstruction; republican; senate; shutupyoupussyfrist; ussenate
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To: West Coast Conservative
Monday night's bipartisan deal prevented a vote on Frist's proposal, as seven GOP senators promised to vote against it.

The Senate's 81-18 agreement to vote on the nominee prevented a vote on Frist's proposal.

21 posted on 05/24/2005 2:57:08 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: andyk

Maybe the actions of the RINO compromisers will so incense those Republicans who were left out of the loop
that it will solidify their vote for the nuke option.

I don't know...I don't know the ins and outs...maybe I am just grasping at straws here.


22 posted on 05/24/2005 2:58:05 PM PDT by Gator101
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To: West Coast Conservative; All

From what I have gathered, Frist is no longer in charge. Six dems and six rino's are. Has Bush spoken out on this today? (I just got home from work.)


23 posted on 05/24/2005 2:58:28 PM PDT by Normal4me
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To: Dog

Frist making a joke, what a threat. Which ever.


24 posted on 05/24/2005 2:58:50 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (The Republican Party is now OFFICIALLY The RINOcratic Party!)
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To: Soul Seeker
The first filibuster he pushes the button no matter what they agreed to.

Naw...he hasn't got the balls.

25 posted on 05/24/2005 2:59:06 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (I don't drink and FReep...it just looks that way)
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To: Dog

Sorry, but I don't understand all the anger with Frist. He did and continues to do all he can to get the Senate Pubs to do the right thing. He has no control over the RINOs. Those scoundrels acted against his wishes.


26 posted on 05/24/2005 2:59:44 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: sirchtruth
Has ANYBODY explained just what constitutes, "extreme circumstances" yet?"

I'm having an extreme circumstance with my nail polish today.

27 posted on 05/24/2005 2:59:58 PM PDT by Miss Behave (Do androids dream of electric sheep?)
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To: andyk
One prominent Republican senator, George Allen of Virginia voiced his revulsion with the bipartisan accord Tuesday, calling it a “capitulation”

That's the same term the Congressional Black Caucus called it, except they were referring to Democrats.

28 posted on 05/24/2005 3:00:11 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Rosemont
Unfortunately, If Allen or Frist would try to go nuclear, I'm sure RINO Senators like 'my conscience' VoinoBitch and 'Please invite me on Wolf Blitzer's show' Hagel will jump in on the side of Graham, McCain, and the Libs.

This is the problem. Frist, and the other loyal Republicans have to be willing to go into the minority and make this a case of Party Discipline. If Graham was correct there are 5 solid RINO votes against Frist and 4 or so undecided. He has to hold all of the undecided to win.

29 posted on 05/24/2005 3:01:05 PM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: West Coast Conservative
The constitutional option will be used if… mindless, irresponsible filibusters become the tool of choice for the Democrats,” Frist told reporters.

"Become"??

How about "remain"?

Dan
Biblical Christianity BLOG

30 posted on 05/24/2005 3:01:10 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: LegendHasIt

If Frist really feels that way about the 7 usurping his power, he needs to call a Republican Caucus meeting tonight and call for a vote to strip all of them of all their committee and subcommittee chairmanships, and kick Lindsey Graham off the Judiciary Committee. He can kick ass and take names if he wants to. You can bet a Democrat majority leader would do it if a bunch of his members pulled the rug out from under him.


31 posted on 05/24/2005 3:01:10 PM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Barbara Boxer is deeply saddened......)
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To: LegendHasIt
I fear my first instincts were correct. This is a huge loss for the GOP in general, and for conservative aspirations in particular.

"Huge?" Try massive! I know that a lot of the liberal lawyers here in this office are just rolling on the floor happy and laughing at the RINOcrats for this. So, if this bunch of leftists, socialists, communist pukes are happy, then I know it is bad. Absolutely, unequivocally bad.

32 posted on 05/24/2005 3:01:26 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (The Republican Party is now OFFICIALLY The RINOcratic Party!)
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To: rdb3

I can be upset with Frist because he allowed this to go on too long. He allowed the children (democrats) to keep up their temper tantrum.

When you have a child who throws temper tantrums, you put a stop to it quickly and not by caving in to them.


33 posted on 05/24/2005 3:01:37 PM PDT by BMC1
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To: af_vet_1981

I don't know. If Grahams appearance on Sean Hannity's radio show is any indication of the whuppin' he is taking elsewhere, Graham may have learned his lesson.


34 posted on 05/24/2005 3:03:09 PM PDT by mware ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche........ "Nope, you are"-- GOD)
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To: RetiredArmy
So, if this bunch of leftists, socialists, communist pukes are happy, then I know it is bad.

Pssst. They are stupid. They think they won. They will feel differently in six months.

35 posted on 05/24/2005 3:06:59 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: LegendHasIt
There's one big problem with the scenario you present. This "moderate" approach by these people can only get them elected in one jurisdiction, and the District of Columbia doesn't have any representation in the U.S. Senate.

This whole situation is a lot of nonsense that has been completely blown out of proportion for a number of reasons. The first time any of these seven GOP senators (particularly Graham, DeWine, or Warner) is seen as obstructing a Bush nominee in any way, their political careers are basically over -- because they'll either lose their next primary battle in their home state, or spend so much money defending themselves against a conservative challenger that they'll lose in the general election.

36 posted on 05/24/2005 3:07:04 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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To: mware
Graham may have learned his lesson.

Graham will rue the day he crossed the voters.....he forgot who put him there.

Lindsey can whimper now.....he will pay for this treachery at the polls.

37 posted on 05/24/2005 3:07:27 PM PDT by Dog
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To: sirchtruth
just what constitutes, "extreme circumstances"

It's purposefully vague and contrived, much like the obtuse "health" exception regarding abortion.

It's a free ride for democrats, and an attempt to shield the seven capitulators from friendly fire, should the dems pursue any further filibusters of judiciary nominees. Personally, I think it's a pretty weak attempt, and will hurt a few of the seven (IMHO, Snowe, Collins, Chafee, and possibly McCain are all immune to constituent retribution).
38 posted on 05/24/2005 3:08:03 PM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: mware
Graham may have learned his lesson.

If Graham has learned his lesson, then he can pull out of the deal and support the constitutional option at the first filibuster.

Otherwise, he can go to hell as soon as he gets dumped out of office in the '08 primary.

39 posted on 05/24/2005 3:08:11 PM PDT by Ogie Oglethorpe (The people have spoken...the b*stards!)
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To: Dog Gone
That's the same term the Congressional Black Caucus called it

LOL, fascinating.
40 posted on 05/24/2005 3:09:02 PM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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