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Clerical Losers (After Benedict XVI, liberal American church leaders are learning about penance)
The American Prowler ^ | 5/11/2005 | The Prowler

Posted on 05/10/2005 10:36:20 PM PDT by nickcarraway

If there were any "losers" in the election of Pope Benedict XVI, they certainly will not be found among the faithful, or the Latin American or African Catholic churches. No, the biggest losers are here in the United States, where influential, liberal Catholic priests who have actively and publicly defied the Vatican, along with several Cardinals selected late in the reign of Pope John Paul II, find themselves in a bit of a political pickle.

"Pope Benedict knows better than any one else who the trouble makers are in the United States, and he knows who has worked against the Church's teachings there," says an ordained source at the Vatican. "You will be seeing changes soon."

Sooner than expected. Late last week it was announced that the Rev. Thomas Reese, the editor of the Jesuit weekly America, was leaving his position at the magazine to be reassigned to new duties.

Reese was one of a number of American commentators in Rome during the recent pontifical election, and while he was often restrained in his remarks about then-Cardinal Josef Ratzinger, he made it clear he was not a supporter of his candidacy.

America magazine, the public organ of the Jesuit order in U.S., is one of the most liberal Catholic periodicals, second only to the National Catholic Reporter, an independent publication.

That America was essentially viewed by the mass media and a number of American Catholics as an official church publication only confused matters. Under Reese it published articles with views that opposed the Roman Catholic Church's teachings on homosexual priests, stem-cell research, whether Catholic politicians can be denied communion if they support abortion rights, and homosexual unions.

"Most of the major media sees this publication and thinks, 'Well, if the Jesuits are writing this stuff, then American Catholics must be thinking this, or living this way,'" says the Rome insider. "It created confusion and allowed the media to portray a divided, confused American Church. It may well be, but from Rome's perspective, there is only one truth, and America isn't publishing it."

In certain Catholic circles it has been known for some time that a number of American Jesuits actively opposed Pope John Paul II, particularly his attempt to bring American Catholic universities into line with Roman Catholic theological teaching. At one time it appeared that as many as 30 Jesuit theology professors at such schools as Georgetown, Creighton, San Francisco, and Santa Clara would be barred from teaching theology or philosophy due to their refusal to adhere their teachings to established Roman Catholic doctrine.

"The Vatican has been having problems with the Jesuit order in a number of areas, including doctrine and celibacy," says an American theologian. "It isn't just the Jesuits, but because of their higher visibility, they have garnered more attention. It is safe to say that the Jesuits have been out of favor with the Vatican for some time. This resignation may be just the beginning of a greater effort to bring the order in line."

Reese resigned, according the Jesuit insiders in New York, after the order received word from Rome that the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has received complaints from several American Catholic bishops about the magazine and its content.

America in the past had made a point of attacking the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, openly questioning its positions on a number of issues where American Catholics differ with Rome.

IT ISN'T JUST JESUIT journalists who are getting put in their place. In the coming weeks and months it is anticipated that a wave of retirements and re-assignments will occur elsewhere in the American Catholic Church.

Already, Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, of Washington, D.C., has announced that he will submit retirement papers when he turns 75 later this year. Such retirement papers are pro forma for all cardinals; they serve at the pleasure of the Holy Father, and oftentimes are allowed to remain in office after they turn 75.

But McCarrick's situation may be different. He is known to have not been a supporter of Pope Benedict before his election. "Cardinal McCarrick has to be wondering where he stands right now," says another American priest from Rome with insight into the machinations of the Vatican. "This is a man who went out of his way to cross then-Cardinal Ratzinger and the Doctrine of the Faith."

McCarrick is believed by many in conservative Catholic circles to have been the individual who in June 2004 leaked to the Washington Post and other newspapers a memo written by Cardinal Ratzinger instructing American bishops to detail to their congregations the Catholic Church's longstanding doctrine on life issues and on the responsibility of Catholic politicians to live both their private and political lives in union with the Church. As Ratzinger's letter stated, those politicians out of step with the Church should be turned away from the communion rail.

The letter, a version of which is almost always sent out to the bishops around election time in the United States (across the country, many Catholic priests take the time in homilies before election day to remind parishioners of the Church's policies in such matters), took on greater meaning in 2004 because Sen. John Kerry made such a production of attending Catholic services and receiving communion during his campaign.

It didn't help McCarrick that he allowed the Kerry campaign to make public meetings he had with Kerry and his advisers. When, on one occasion, McCarrick went out of his way to hide the meeting, Kerry's aides leaked word of it anyway.

McCarrick is also known to have prevented the founding of at least one orthodox Catholic studies program that was seeking his support to open a small two-year college in Washington, D.C. Known as Campion College, it have served as a feeder school to Catholic University, Christendom College in Virginia, and the soon-to-open Ave Maria University in Florida, and offered philosophy and theology courses to young professionals in the Washington area interested in expanding their Catholic faith. The program had the support of a number of high-ranking conservatives in the Vatican.

In Rome, after the election of Pope Benedict, rumors swirled that McCarrick, along with several other prominent American Cardinals, had initially thrown their support behind Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini, a political moderate, but one in line with the Church's important teachings.

ANOTHER CARDINAL PERHAPS looking over his soldier is Los Angeles's Roger Mahony, who more than any other American Catholic leaders except Cardinal Bernard Law, is stained by the covering up for pedophiles in the Catholic Church.

But Mahony has other issues that have caught the eye of Rome in the past few years, not the least of which were his attempts to block Los Angeles parishioners from taking part in traditional Latin masses in his diocese. At one point, Mahony claimed that only Catholics who attended such masses back in 1965 would be allowed to participate in the Tridentine Mass.

"That hasn't gotten a lot of attention, but Mahony's maneuvers in that case have been remembered here," says the Vatican source. "Some of these gentlemen may have thought they would outlive the strict enforcement of doctrine. The confirmation and ascension of Pope Benedict is evidence that they will not."

Why would the Tridentine Mass controversy stand out? Perhaps, in part, because Pope Benedict XVI has often spoken and written about the beauty and spirituality of the Latin Mass, and its focus on Christ and His sacrifice. As recently as two years ago, then Cardinal Ratzinger reaffirmed his belief that there was a place for portions of the Latin Mass in today's liturgies.


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To: nickcarraway
"Some of these gentlemen may have thought they would outlive the strict enforcement of doctrine. The confirmation and ascension of Pope Benedict is evidence that they will not."

Amen!

41 posted on 05/11/2005 7:50:01 AM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: ELS; leprechaun9

The Vatican has been more blunt recently in reminding bishops that they have the responsibility to allow or facilitate Latin Mass for those who desire it. A number of bishops -- and cardinals -- have shown a bizarre level of opposition toward allowing Latin Masses in their diocese. It really shouldn't be a big deal, and thwarting people for the sake of it has created a lot of bitterness.


42 posted on 05/11/2005 7:50:48 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (“When you’re hungry, you eat; when you’re a frog, you leap; if you’re scared, get a dog.”)
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To: nickcarraway

It's a good time to be a Catholic Christian.


43 posted on 05/11/2005 7:54:43 AM PDT by stevio (Red-Blooded American Male)
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To: It's me
I'm very happy for the Vatican's cleaning out the Church. My concern is not over Pope Benedict XVI...it's over all the message traffic I get for news of the attitude "ha ha listen to those losers whine! Hooray hooray already. The Holy Spirit wins...again! Why do I need to hear about those who've always discredited the Holy Spirit. Snubbing those who thought they were helping the Holy Spirit won't seem like an invitation back into the fold.

http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/luke/luke15.htm
Luke 15:7
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I tell you, in just the same way there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous people who have no need of repentance.

What I find stinky is all the emails I get of a not so silent joy over how the liberal left is still whining. I don't care for this news anymore because I don't read anywhere in the Gospels about how Jesus retells stories of Angelic butt kicking, "And Lucifer was going, "Please don't hurt me, please don't hurt, okay already! I'm leaving Heaven! Stop zotting me with those lightning bolts! HAR HAR HAR!"

Too much news on "losers" from very pro-Catholic apologists is like reading about how conservatives still snub car owners with Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers. It's poor form that's uninviting to the opposition for them to change. Liberals are still called to live a life of holiness. God willing, all sinners (me included) may reconcile and enjoy a Graceful death. Snubbing is not love.

http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/1corinthians/1corinthians13.htm

1 Corrinthians 13:4-6
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Love is patient, love is kind. It is not jealous, (love) is not pompous, it is not inflated,
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it is not rude, it does not seek its own interests, it is not quick-tempered, it does not brood over injury,
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it does not rejoice over wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth.

http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/matthew/matthew18.htm
Matthew 18: 15-17
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"If your brother sins (against you), go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother.
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If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that 'every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses.'
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If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.
44 posted on 05/11/2005 8:26:52 AM PDT by SaltyJoe (The Resurrected Jesus didn't wear a T-Shirt stating "I won. Romans, Pharasies, and Saducies Suck")
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To: lainde

Five years, 9 months, and 16 days remaining until the Archdiocese of Los Angeles is liberated.

Cardinal Mahony turns 75 on February 27, 2011.


45 posted on 05/11/2005 8:41:53 AM PDT by Deo volente
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To: patton; TattooedUSAFConservative
Patton: Ite (not ete)

Tatooed USAFConservative:

Ite, Missa est=Go, the Mass is ended.

46 posted on 05/11/2005 9:05:24 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: steve8714

I live in the Belleville diocese and I have heard both good and bad things about our new Bishop. I think you should give him the benefit of the doubt for now at least.


47 posted on 05/11/2005 9:10:00 AM PDT by ndkos (Benedict XVI - Bringing in the real springtime of Vatican II)
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To: SaltyJoe

".. then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector."

Now we just need the scholastic information of just how we are supposed to treat these folks, Salty Joe.


48 posted on 05/11/2005 9:20:39 AM PDT by SolomoninSouthDakota (Daschle is gone.)
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To: SolomoninSouthDakota
I'm a Gentile, and St. Matthew was a tax collector.

Matthew 21:28-31 Jesus said to them, "Amen, I say to you, tax collectors and prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God before you.
49 posted on 05/11/2005 9:28:49 AM PDT by SaltyJoe (The Resurrected Jesus didn't wear a T-Shirt stating "I won. Romans, Pharasies, and Saducies Suck")
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To: SaltyJoe
I don't read anywhere in the Gospels about how Jesus retells stories of Angelic butt kicking, "And Lucifer was going, "Please don't hurt me, please don't hurt, okay already! I'm leaving Heaven! Stop zotting me with those lightning bolts! HAR HAR HAR!"

LOL!!! Your original post was a bit vague, but I get your point now.

50 posted on 05/11/2005 9:47:52 AM PDT by GipperGal
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To: Deo volente
Five years, 9 months, and 16 days remaining until the Archdiocese of Los Angeles is liberated. Cardinal Mahony turns 75 on February 27, 2011.

Cue the Hallelujah Chorus! Hey, we should make a little countdown clock!

51 posted on 05/11/2005 9:56:43 AM PDT by GipperGal
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To: SaltyJoe
"I'm a Gentile, and St. Matthew was a tax collector.

Matthew 21:28-31 Jesus said to them, "Amen, I say to you, tax collectors and prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God before you"

But a reasonable interpretation would be that the author was giving practical advice to the christian community, not at all intending a subtle juxtaposition as you suggest. To counsel someone to treat another as a tax collector or a Gentile would be to advise them to avoid that other at minimum.
52 posted on 05/11/2005 10:00:17 AM PDT by SolomoninSouthDakota (Daschle is gone.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Would that minds could so easily be re=orientated. What bothered me then and apparently Ratrzinger also was the indifference to the feelings of the laity. If one has worshiped in a certtain way for many. many years, from childhood, bit are expected to throw all that away, because of a revolution that it i being imposed from above, then it has to be shocking.


53 posted on 05/11/2005 10:55:51 AM PDT by RobbyS (JMJ)
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To: BlackElk

Since you were nice enough to correct my spelling, I will return the favour, and correct your translation: "Go, the mass exists." (est = it is)


54 posted on 05/11/2005 11:10:12 AM PDT by patton ("Fool," said my Muse to me, "look in thy heart, and write.")
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To: SolomoninSouthDakota
Avoiding the other is not only a minimum, but probably a maximum as well. There comes a time when a saintly person has to shake the dust from his clothes and sandals and leave a sinner to his sin. But I don't recall such saintly people writing after action reports of "where are they now" interests. It's unlike an Apostle or Christian Disciple to boast, "Ya see, I told ya so. You didn't listen, and now look at you. LOOK at YOU!" This sort of tactic doesn't work on children, and it sure as heck doesn't work for adults.
55 posted on 05/11/2005 11:15:54 AM PDT by SaltyJoe (The Resurrected Jesus didn't wear a T-Shirt stating "I won. Romans, Pharisees, and Saducies Suck")
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To: GipperGal
Thanks, I was hoping that someone found that funny. I can imagine Jim Carey overacting a victory dance, but I can't see Jim Caviezel (playing Jesus) fist pumping the air and doing pelvic thrusts like Ace Ventura.

Here's a link on how NOT to rejoice with the truth:
http://www.jimcarreyonline.com/soundclips/ace/demons.wav

How NOT to describe those in 2nd place:
http://www.moviewavs.com/0056218974/MP3S/Movies/Ace_Ventura/loser.mp3
56 posted on 05/11/2005 11:40:02 AM PDT by SaltyJoe (The Resurrected Jesus didn't wear a T-Shirt stating "I won. Romans, Pharisees, and Saducies Suck")
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To: SaltyJoe
"But I don't recall such saintly people writing after action reports of "where are they now" interests. It's unlike an Apostle or Christian Disciple to boast, "Ya see, I told ya so. You didn't listen, and now look at you. LOOK at YOU!""

I've been on the Catholic ping list of NYer for a couple of weeks now. What I have been seeing is joy that some beginning of the defining of borders of the faith are being set. To defend the faith, the borders must be set. If people undermining the Church are pushed from their positions of influence, that is a good thing and worth noting. I think the power the Church, used wisely and including excommunication, has kept many would be heretics in the fold. I can't recall posts that I would say are way out the bounds of charity toward people like the America magazine editor who are intelligent but use their intelligence to destroy. You may view things different and I don't know the content of the emails you are receiving that you find so offensive. I find nothing so offensive on these threads that I would say rises above a venial sin. :).
57 posted on 05/11/2005 11:43:22 AM PDT by SolomoninSouthDakota (Daschle is gone.)
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To: SolomoninSouthDakota
"I find nothing so offensive on these threads that I would say rises above a venial sin."

I should hope that you are right. I dearly love the ping list and my concern for Catholic news doesn't diminish. My pastor exclaimed that if we don't use our gifts of the Holy Spirit to unify, then they cease being gifts and our talent only becomes vanity.

In a slim hope, I was hoping that another would have been elected Pope. But since I didn't make the final cut, I won't pout and hold my breadth (that's sarcasm, BTW). The danger of examining contrary opinions too long and too deeply is that we let our ideological (and dare say I, our spiritual) opposites define who we are instead of letting the positive reality define our identity. St Augustine and the early Church had to face infighting and it was beyond vicious. It was very deadly.

Among those senior Church clergy who should have learned well by now, revisiting obvious errors and heresies (like liberalism) is not for the growth of discussion, but eventually a dreaded waste of time. I suffered greatly under the tutelage of liberalism and still carry those scars. Yet, I'd rather let that reconciliation, between my soul and the misguided priests who thought they were being sincere with me, be completely healed. I'm not going to visit them in a confessional and ream them for their spinelessness. Nor am I going to gloat of History's successful "conservative"/ethical/timeless Catholic teaching.

Thus, it's not about "us". It's about Jesus.
58 posted on 05/11/2005 12:03:29 PM PDT by SaltyJoe (The Resurrected Jesus didn't wear a T-Shirt stating "I won. Romans, Pharisees, and Saducies Suck")
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To: nickcarraway

Bump for a later read. Thanks!


59 posted on 05/11/2005 2:02:25 PM PDT by Lady In Blue ( President 'SEABISCUIT' AKA George W Bush)
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To: patton

Your translation is literally correct but the idiomatic translation is the one in the missals of the RCC and makes sense in the context (it comes at or near the end of Mass).


60 posted on 05/11/2005 2:48:55 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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