Amen! A quick reading of this thread and I find a rational, level-headed response. I tip my hat to you for that, for this is a subject that's hard to even discuss here.
Posted on 05/07/2005 5:09:05 AM PDT by billorites
LIKE MANY other southern Arizonans, I am deeply grateful to the few dozen vigilantes calling themselves Minutemen who set up camp along the Arizona-Mexico border last month. That few people around here were much impressed with a bunch of retirees in camouflage playing soldier, and that there turned out to be almost as many reporters as patriots on the ground, was irrelevant: We were just thrilled by the publicity. We’ve been trying to get the rest of the country to notice what’s going on down here for years. U.S. immigration policy has turned the Arizona desert between Tucson and the border into a nightmare zone of suffering, death, destruction and terrible ironies, and the people who live here are sick to death of it. Human beings, fragile desert and a whole way of life are perishing, and no one out there seems to care. For example: Ten days ago, the U.S. Border Patrol rescued 77 “illegal entrants” stranded in a barren stretch of desert 20 miles west of Tucson. After walking for five days, they’d overpowered their coyote (people smuggler), taken his cell phone, called 911 and written “Help” in big letters in the sand. Temperatures were in the 90s, and the group had run out of water the day before. Four people were taken to the hospital by ambulance for hyperthermia and dehydration; two stopped breathing while being examined. The story was so familiar, though, that the morning paper didn’t bother to run a follow-up. The first thing to understand about the border is that the immediate problem isn’t so much the hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants who flood into the United States from Mexico every year. It’s our government’s response to them. While President Bush and others are trying to shape a realistic, orderly guest-worker program, one that would be more humane and presumably free up law enforcement to chase smugglers and terrorists, policy on the ground is to keep everyone out. From a free-market point of view, this movement of people looks like a classic example of the law of supply and demand. Mexico is poor, overpopulated, intensely corrupt and has a nearly limitless supply of cheap, willing labor. Thanks to the North American Free Trade Agreement, competition with inexpensive American corn has ruined tens of thousands of small Mexican farmers, while many of the light manufacturing plants just south of the border that drew so many northward a decade ago have moved operations to Asia. People are going hungry. The United States, on the other hand, is rich and needs workers who will take jobs Americans don’t want, for lower wages than Americans will accept. (Try this thought experiment: Imagine suggesting that your teen-ager take a summer job picking melons for 12 hours a day in California.) If, by magic, the Minutemen’s dreams were granted overnight — if the border were sealed and the estimated 11 million people living in this country illegally were deported — America would most likely be unrecognizable, and not in a good way. Crops would rot in the fields, bathrooms would stay dirty, mothers of small children would be stuck at home. America is addicted to cheap labor, and withdrawal is beyond contemplation. Still, we maintain the pretense that we don’t want a docile underclass of workers coming into the United States, and we keep trying to catch them as they cross an increasingly policed border. The militarization of what had been a fairly porous border started in the 1980s with Ronald Reagan’s “war on drugs,” but began in earnest in 1994, when the Border Patrol mounted Operation Gatekeeper and started building a fence between San Diego and Tijuana, eventually closing the entire California-Mexico border except for one small, environmentally sensitive gap. Then Operation Hold the Line at El Paso and Operation Rio Grande further east shut down most of the Texas border. These changes did not stop the traffic; they simply funneled it into New Mexico and Arizona. Operation Safeguard was implemented here in Arizona in the border town of Nogales, where a fence went up dividing the American and Sonoran sides of town and diverting migrants out into the desert. The theory on our side seemed to be that no one would be desperate enough to try to cross 50 waterless miles of the Sonoran or Chihuahan desert on foot. This supposition has proved to be wrong. The Border Patrol’s apprehensions between Oct. 1, 2003, and Sept. 30, 2004, in the Tucson sector totaled 491,771, or 1,347 per day, but the population of undocumented immigrants “has been growing robustly during most of the period of ‘concentrated border enforcement’,” according to the nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute. The crossing has not become impossible, just more expensive and dangerous. Since 2000, more than 750 migrants have been found dead in the Arizona desert, according to county medical examiners. And from January 1995 through May 2004, more than 2,600 people have died along the whole border — roughly one death per day, 10 times the rate before operations began. These are just the documented deaths. No one knows how many more lie out there unknown, unrecovered and unrecoverable — after skeletons bleach in the sun long enough, cows and other animals eat them for the calcium. Driving around the spectacular country south of Tucson, it’s hard to get your mind around the drama taking place just out of sight. A precarious trail along the slopes of the Baboquivari Mountains to the southwest, for instance, became a popular route last year because it’s so hard to patrol. Looking up at the shining white scopes of the National Observatory on Kitt Peak, at the towering sacred monolith of Baboquivari Peak further south, it’s hard to believe that dozens of human beings could be risking their lives on those rugged slopes even as you watch. Anyone who takes a bad fall along that trail is unlikely ever to be found. The strategy of driving border crossers out into the wilds has also been hell on the people who live north of the line. Ranchers’ land has been covered with trash, their fences cut, livestock scattered, water tanks fouled and property destroyed. Some have given up and left, but it’s hard to sell out because people already know about the trouble. Residents of small, isolated towns have been faced by sudden buildups of equipment and personnel. The Border Patrol set up a “Special Operations” base over the ridge from the tiny settlement of Arivaca without informing inhabitants that 10 large trailers, 10 to 30 trucks, generators, stadium lights and night operations involving helicopters were about to become a feature of their lives for the foreseeable future. At an emotional meeting held in the Arivaca civic center recently, several people who own land along the ridge poured out their frustration. You build your house next to a wildlife refuge, you tend to think your peace is guaranteed. The Border Patrol was invited to the meeting but did not attend. The worst and most lasting damage to the landscape, though, is in the 90 percent of the border land that’s owned and theoretically protected by the U.S. government. A chain of wildlife preserves and other protected areas, including Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument, is being destroyed, first by the footpaths and litter left by the migrants; second, and more seriously, by quasi-military activities of the Border Patrol. The Border Patrol is flying Black Hawk helicopters and driving all-terrain vehicles and motorcycles around rare, beautiful desert lands, and no amount of complaint from locals, land managers or environmentalists has slowed them down. It is illegal to take vehicles off-road in national parks and preserves, and illegal for citizens to pull off the awful dirt roads of the Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge anyplace where the soil is undisturbed, or to drive at all when the ground is wet. Cabeza Prieta, home to the last 40 Sonoran pronghorn antelope in the United States, is the wildest and driest of American deserts. The Border Patrol has a major base of operations within the refuge. The remaining traces of the centuries-old Camino del Diablo, the Devil’s Highway, have been obliterated, and miles of delicate desert turned to moonscape. In spite of the collateral damage, what happens next will be more of the same. This March, U.S. Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Robert C. Bonner announced that the patrol is more than doubling the number of helicopters and planes along the Arizona border and bringing in 534 more agents. Local opinion on the buildup ranges from outrage among social activists who want an open border all the way to approval from those who think “those people don’t belong here.” Recent immigrants from the Midwest who don’t know or care that Tucson has always been a “brown town” and the desperate ranchers along the border are pleased, if not convinced. Others are horrified that the government, finding that what it’s doing isn’t working, simply proposes to do more of it, and to do it here. The majority just want the whole mess to go away. And so we who love this beautiful, dying region now live in a sort of occupied zone within our own nation, pinioned by politicians’ indifference and officials’ lack of imagination. We expect another bad summer. Renee Downing is a freelance writer who has lived in southern Arizona for more than 30 years.
These "freepers of questionable national allegiance" (FOQNAs) do not have the goal of defending American sovereignty. Quite the opposite. These "false flag freepers" have many motives, generally they are loyal to countries other than the USA, and they see our republic in the way a hungry wolf sees a juicey steak. Over time, they have all slipped up and "outed" their true motives. Some own property in Mexico, or have made a practice of employing illegal aliens to save money. Others have married illegal aliens, one has even declared that he is "Santa Anna's brother."
Sadly, these disloyal false flag freepers and their race baiting tactics are tolerated around here, for unknown reasons. So your best bet is to just understand them, and ignore them. After all, given the anonymity of the internet, they could be posting from Havana or Mexico City just as easily as from the USA.
And so is your ego.
That poster is already banned.
Unless they aren't Americans at all, but false flag freepers in the first place, loyal to countries other than the USA.
I liked Boot Hill.
I like you too.
I try to stick with the issue and not the personalities.
I don't like those who have the goal of destroying American sovereignty. Period.
You better listen ICO, to travis, for he is the self-proclaimed all knowing prognosticator of FR. Maybe his highness will grant us few pearls of wisdom from his upcoming book, but not to worry, he will, in spam.
These "freepers of questionable national allegiance" (FOQNAs) do not have the goal of defending American sovereignty. Quite the opposite. These "false flag freepers" have many motives, generally they are loyal to countries other than the USA, and they see our republic in the way a hungry wolf sees a juicey steak. Over time, they have all slipped up and "outed" their true motives. Some own property in Mexico, or have made a practice of employing illegal aliens to save money. Others have married illegal aliens, one has even declared that he is "Santa Anna's brother."
Where's the closest re-education center for me(this FOQNA) to report to, travis.
Closest to you, Dane? Probably the Isla de Pinos, in Cuba.
When we stick to the facts and the issue, we always win.
Real dumb to get into flame wars. I've seen the destruction and our side takes the majority of the hits.
I post with the lurkers in mind, and freely make known that I like folks on both sides... lol.
I agree about avoiding flame wars, but I still would never say I liked a Quisling dedicated to destroying this nation.
No thank you, I don't need to go to your totaltarian idealogical brothers paradise.
I trust you got my mail regarding South40 wanting to volunteer with MM in June? He has a Jeep, AND I have already declared dibs on riding shotgun. :)
Not really, especillay when there are infinite posts about jailing and blowing up people who just want to do a job of dishwashing or picking vegetables on FR.
I've never seen those posts, and I certainly wouldn't rubber stamp blowing up people. Jailing them, yes. Deporting them, yes. Sealing the border, yes.
Amen! A quick reading of this thread and I find a rational, level-headed response. I tip my hat to you for that, for this is a subject that's hard to even discuss here.
Yes you have and know it. Here's one of many.
Actually it would be cheaper and more effective to deploy incapacitating mine-fields. You know, like bouncing betty's or chemical incapaciatants. It would save the taxpayers a lot of money and do a better job of dettering the pond-scum that is heading north.
13 posted on 05/06/2005 6:42:44 PM PDT by NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961 [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
JMO, if the minutemen had their perfect world, they would be shooting at people whose crime is to take a job as a dishwasher.
All subjects are getting hard to discuss here.
At the rate this invasion is going the folks east of the Mississippi will know probably sooner than they can imagine.
No I haven't. That's the first one I've seen.
Dane, I do not hang out on these threads. I've posted on immigration threads more in the past week or so, than ever before, because I applaud the MM and I;m thrilled they're coming to San Diego's border in June, before I have to take off to live in Mississippi.
Whatever, but for someone who says she doesn't hang out on immigration threads sure knows a lot about the minutemen.
Anyway, you can join them if you want to, nobody is stopping you, but like I basically said before, I think they do more harm than good with their bellicose swagger and think there energies would be more productive in trying to get real immigration reform, rather than sideshows for the media.
Yes that is hard work, and a lot harder work than knee kerkingly blaming people who just want to work and almost in a marxist way spitting at people who create wealth for this country(employers).
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