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Newfound Dinosaur a Transitional Creature
Las Vegas Sun (AP) ^ | May 04, 2005 | Malcolm Ritter

Posted on 05/04/2005 12:32:23 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan

Caught in the act of evolution, the odd-looking, feathered dinosaur was becoming more vegetarian, moving away from its meat-eating ancestors.

It had the built-for-speed legs of meat-eaters, but was developing the bigger belly of plant-eaters. It had already lost the serrated teeth needed for tearing flesh. Those were replaced with the smaller, duller vegetarian variety.

(Excerpt) Read more at lasvegassun.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: crevolist; dinosaurs; evolution; godsgravesglyphs; paleontology; transitionalfossil
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To: 70times7
Ok, but if one species evolved to two would it be dilution?

No, it would be brnaching.

Months ago, someone else suggested that one species branching into two seperate species was somehow evidence against evolution. I don't remember the argument, though, because it simply didn't make any sense.
81 posted on 05/04/2005 1:46:41 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio

No, he is correct.

It's a big money-maker in China to put different fossils together and sell it to stupid tourists.

Some of those have, indeed, made their way up the chain and tricked the professionals.


82 posted on 05/04/2005 1:46:56 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: timtoews5292004
a province in china has a factory just for such a thing, according to the book China, Inc.

Yeah, I saw that on the Discovery channel the other day.

They had this big pile of rock, and they were hammering and slicing on it, and sometimes they would split open two rocks and there would be these really intricate fossils in there. Could use microscopes on them and see details of the feather quills.

Maybe they've invented a new lithography process. Or something like microfiche? They pile up some concrete like stuff and imbed images in them that become 3D after putting on some water maybe.

[/creationist mode]

83 posted on 05/04/2005 1:47:31 PM PDT by narby
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To: 70times7
Hey you are right! They both look like fossils. Anyway, I don't think they put that skeleton together correctly. I can't see how it would have avoided falling on its face. This creature seems to have the same proportions, but it is horizontal only when on the ground or in motion.

Notice the shins are longer than the thighs.

84 posted on 05/04/2005 1:47:38 PM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: bkepley

I have a question...

I've seen Bill Clinton and John Kerry walk out of a church. They are obvious fakes...

Is everyone then, who walks out of a church a fake?

If there is one scientist proven to be lying... are they ALL lying? That doesn't seem like a very Christian line of thinking... not very forgiving.


85 posted on 05/04/2005 1:47:59 PM PDT by bearkat
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To: MeanWestTexan
It's a big money-maker in China to put different fossils together and sell it to stupid tourists.

I have no doubt tourists buy all kinds of stupid things.

But if the fossils found in recent years in China with the feather details are "manufactured", then someone needs to hire the artist who did it. They deserve to go on display merely because of their skill in microscopic fakery alone.

86 posted on 05/04/2005 1:51:00 PM PDT by narby
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To: mnehrling

Some will extrapolate from this find to say this proves modern birds "evolved" from the dinosaur. This may or may not be true.


87 posted on 05/04/2005 1:51:55 PM PDT by steve8714
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To: Dimensio
[ No. The extremely rare cases of fakery just end up getting a lot more coverage by creationists ]

How come the fakes are almost never found by Evos.?.
and then are not considered fake until some Evo has a spate of conscience and finally says, "OH ALL RIGHTY THEN"...

88 posted on 05/04/2005 1:52:19 PM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: bearkat

I don't think anyone was saying that all finds are fake - just that some are and that lends suspicion to all.


89 posted on 05/04/2005 1:53:16 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: PatrickHenry

See anything familiar here?

90 posted on 05/04/2005 1:54:53 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: mlc9852
Did you go read all of that post I made on DNA confirmation of evolution?

I finally got off my lazy behind and figured out how to post a link.

Just for you.

It's a really awesome article.

Only the OJ jury would doubt evolution after reading that.

91 posted on 05/04/2005 1:56:10 PM PDT by narby
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To: bearkat

>If there is one scientist proven to be lying... are they >ALL lying? That doesn't seem like a very Christian line of >thinking... not very forgiving.

Did you reply to the wrong person? I never said they were fakes or that I was Christian. Your post is a little bizarre. Fact is I don't know much about evolution and was wanting information.


92 posted on 05/04/2005 1:56:43 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: Dimensio

I don't have an exact page number but its mentioned in the book China, Inc, by ted fishman, which I said in my original post. I'll go get it at the library tonight and come back with the exact quote if you'd like.


93 posted on 05/04/2005 1:56:52 PM PDT by timtoews5292004
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To: hosepipe

"How come the fakes are almost never found by Evos.?"

I would suspect EVERY intentional fake has been caught by a scientist who acknowledges evolution is a viable theory, including the ones from China that has gotten so much press as of late.


94 posted on 05/04/2005 1:57:54 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: narby
FWIW ...

"Bensen: Microraptor-My vote for the most important paleontological find of 2000 is Microraptor zhaoianus. Firstly, Microraptor is important because it represents yet another branch of the confusing theropod/bird group and its further study may shine some light onto the murky relations between birds and dinosaurs. Whatever its intrinsic scientific value, however, Microraptor is doubly important because it shows that the fossil fakes coming out of China can be resolved. Microraptor fossils were first seen as a tail and feet glued to a bird torso and named _Archaeraptor_. The debunking of Archaeraptor and the discovery of more fakes from China has given the amazing Chinese discoveries of the past years a distinctly bitter cast. Microraptor represents the effort legitimate paleontologists are making to rectify some of the mistakes, and share these priceless discoveries with the world."

From here.

95 posted on 05/04/2005 1:58:28 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: hosepipe
How come the fakes are almost never found by Evos.?.

I'd really like to see evidence that ANY fake was found by creationists. It's the scientists who study evolution who actually have the knowledge to find the fakes.

It's the creationists that publicize them though. For the sole purpose of discrediting science, as is their agenda.

96 posted on 05/04/2005 1:58:52 PM PDT by narby
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To: narby

I wasn't talking about this particular dinosaur. I was responding to the quote in the article about dinosaurs and how much has been learned from so little. I see no reason for your rudeness. If you feel my intellect is beneath you, please don't bother responding to my posts.


97 posted on 05/04/2005 1:59:31 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: hosepipe
How come the fakes are almost never found by Evos.?.

Just who do you think are finding the fakes?
98 posted on 05/04/2005 2:00:00 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: narby
Only the OJ jury would doubt evolution after reading that.

The OJ jury saw a lot of micro-evidence, but no macro-evidence.

99 posted on 05/04/2005 2:01:01 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: bkepley

"Don't these things just about always turn out to be fakes?"

Post number 5.

No, they just about always don't turn out to be fakes. I'm pretty sure I read that right.

Sorry if I didn't answer your original question... I'm sick of defending myself against religious know-it-alls.


100 posted on 05/04/2005 2:01:18 PM PDT by bearkat
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