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Newfound Dinosaur a Transitional Creature
Las Vegas Sun (AP) ^ | May 04, 2005 | Malcolm Ritter

Posted on 05/04/2005 12:32:23 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan

Caught in the act of evolution, the odd-looking, feathered dinosaur was becoming more vegetarian, moving away from its meat-eating ancestors.

It had the built-for-speed legs of meat-eaters, but was developing the bigger belly of plant-eaters. It had already lost the serrated teeth needed for tearing flesh. Those were replaced with the smaller, duller vegetarian variety.

(Excerpt) Read more at lasvegassun.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: crevolist; dinosaurs; evolution; godsgravesglyphs; paleontology; transitionalfossil
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To: js1138
Why do creationists insist on attacking Darwin instead of ideas?

They are making Darwin into a cartoonish boogyman. Which makes it easier to deride something they know very little about.

Everybody does it. The left thinks George Bush is the anti-christ. The right thinks Hillary Clinton is.

It's a great technique for those who make a living attacking science.

501 posted on 05/05/2005 1:47:37 PM PDT by narby
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To: narby
you are right that day can mean an extended period of time, but when you use terms like evening and morning the second day you are speaking of literal 24 hour days.

Now since these are literal 24 hour days, there is no room for evolution in creation.

JM
502 posted on 05/05/2005 1:48:29 PM PDT by JohnnyM
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To: JohnnyM

"How exactly can they do this?"

Same way the African violets in my grandmother's greenhouse grow so well under flouresent lights.


503 posted on 05/05/2005 1:53:24 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: timtoews5292004
post # 95 in this thread mentions two that were presented as legitimate and were later found to be fake...

Presented by whom. Not a scientific journal. There are people producing fake anythings you could imagine. Science occasionally gets sucker punched, just as religion has its Jim Jones. I don't see why it is important to the discussion here.

504 posted on 05/05/2005 1:55:25 PM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: narby

I've always believed, if you step outside a literal interpretation, that Genesis sounds a whole lot like the big bang, a brief history of time, and the evolution of the solar system and life and mankind all rolled into one. I don't see why modern science should be limited by the boundries of understanding of the bronze age Hebrews.


505 posted on 05/05/2005 1:55:56 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: JohnnyM
but when you use terms like evening and morning the second day you are speaking of literal 24 hour days.

Sorry, there's even more evidence for an old earth creation than there is for evolution. And that's a lot.

In the second creation story in Gen 2:4, the whole concept of days is dropped entirely. (yeah, yeah, you people say it's really a single story, but sit down and read the whole thing, and it's obviously two entirely separate stories with a beginning, middle and end to each of them)

I have no idea exactly how Genesis fits in with Gods creation itself. But in no way was it done in 6 literal 24 hour days.

Unless you believe God is the Great Prankster, and seeded virtually the entire mass of the earth with evidence otherwise, just to mess with our minds.

I prefer to think that Genesis just wasn't made to be read as literally as you want to.

506 posted on 05/05/2005 1:58:14 PM PDT by narby
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To: Liberal Classic
if you step outside a literal interpretation, that Genesis sounds a whole lot like the big bang, a brief history of time, and the evolution of the solar system and life and mankind all rolled into one.

If you take a modern translation and read the creation part from beginning to end, it does look a lot like science's conception of pre-history.

If creationists had brains, it would be easy to point to this, like they do the "dinosaur" in Job, and say "look, the Bible had this truth long before science did". That proves the Bible is inspired by God.

But instead they're practicing boogyman politics. Collecting money from good hearted, but uneducated people, and spending it on a crusade to crush the evil mad scientists.

507 posted on 05/05/2005 2:04:03 PM PDT by narby
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To: JohnnyM

"but when you use terms like evening and morning the second day you are speaking of literal 24 hour days."

Wrong again.

Just to use our own solar system (a set-up not in existence for four of the "days" of Genesis), Mercury has a 1416 hour day, replete with evening and morning that are 300+ hours long each.

Venus has a 2784 hour day. Here an evening is 696 hours long.

And those are planets in a conventional Copernican solar system. Without the Sun and moon, the answer would be very different.


508 posted on 05/05/2005 2:05:22 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: Dimensio
[ People like you are why we don't take creationists seriously: so many of them are shameless liars who openly fabricate claims. ]

No.. that is not why.?.
But its good see you admitting any discussion is a ruse..
And any faux discussion is patrimony by the arrogant..

Don't affect me though.. you have been talking to my hand all along.. still are..
I'm not a beginner.. You see, I knew that already..
d;-)~ Psssst..

509 posted on 05/05/2005 2:09:58 PM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: js1138

you are the one making it important. I am merely responding to your query, which was based in something you inferred from a quote, not from something I have ever said.


510 posted on 05/05/2005 2:11:45 PM PDT by timtoews5292004
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To: hosepipe
No.. that is not why.?.

Why did you put this in the form of a question.

But its good see you admitting any discussion is a ruse..

Hey, you're the one who admitted that you lied about your claim.

I'm not a beginner.. You see, I knew that already..,

No, you're not. You've been lying in evolution discussions here for some time now.
511 posted on 05/05/2005 2:33:20 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: narby

I'm not interested in talking about God all the time like you darwinites.
I want to know what makes you think evolution happens when it is obvious from the real world that things do not become more organized, but rather the reverse.


512 posted on 05/05/2005 2:35:52 PM PDT by metacognative (eschew obfuscation)
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To: js1138

We've been here before. Please...a single example of a positive mutation


513 posted on 05/05/2005 2:38:14 PM PDT by metacognative (eschew obfuscation)
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To: metacognative

Why didn't you respond to my question regarding the emergence of the human brain? If things don't ever become "more organized", then how do new human brains ever form?


514 posted on 05/05/2005 2:41:46 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: metacognative

"I want to know what makes you think evolution happens when it is obvious from the real world that things do not become more organized, but rather the reverse."

1. The Earth is not a closed system. Energy comes in from the Sun. It is used for organization by plants. They get eaten.

2. Who says natural selection makes anything more organized? It is a directionless force.


515 posted on 05/05/2005 2:42:25 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: metacognative

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:AXWEr-j7t9YJ:www.zoology.ubc.ca/~otto/Reprints/Orr1994.pdf+favorable+mutations&hl=en


516 posted on 05/05/2005 2:49:52 PM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: metacognative

"Please...a single example of a positive mutation"

Here are two:

http://mednews.stanford.edu/releases/1998/novreleases/mutation.html

http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/795_antibio.html





517 posted on 05/05/2005 2:50:13 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: dread78645

mutant place mark


518 posted on 05/05/2005 2:55:41 PM PDT by dread78645 (Sarcasm tags are for wusses.)
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To: metacognative
I want to know what makes you think evolution happens when it is obvious from the real world that things do not become more organized, but rather the reverse.

Get off the 2nd law stuff. You're wrong about it, as earth is not a closed system. Also, there are innumerable self organizing systems that don't require life. I've listed many before, so don't ask me to do it again for your edification. You're beyond hope anyway.

Bottom line, the DNA evidence, that was predicted by the fossil evidence, is just too massive to ignore.

But I'm sure it won't convince you. As it didn't convince the OJ Jury either.

519 posted on 05/05/2005 2:58:48 PM PDT by narby
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To: narby
Here is a clear example of evolutionary adaptation: the first graphic in narby's DNA link:


520 posted on 05/05/2005 3:05:49 PM PDT by clyde asbury (She wants to be your bride. Are you gonna do it?)
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