haha! Great post.I could see you on the stage
with Froggie award in hand. :)
Posted on 04/26/2005 7:55:09 AM PDT by jan in Colorado
What steps should Western border agencies take to defend their homelands from harm by Islamists?
In the case of non-citizens, the answer is simple: Don't let Islamists in. Exclude not just potential terrorists but also anyone who supports the totalitarian goals of radical Islam. Just as civilized countries did not welcome fascists in the early 1940s (or communists a decade later), they need not welcome Islamists today.
But what about one's own citizens who cross the border? They could be leaving to fight for the Taliban or returning from a course on terrorism techniques. Or perhaps they studied with enemies of the West who incited them to sabotage or sedition. Clearly, the authorities should take steps to find out more about their activities, especially given the dangerous jihadi culture already in place in many Western countries, including Canada.
This question arose in late December 2004, after a three-day Islamist conference, "Reviving the Islamic Spirit," took place in Toronto. The event, boasting a host of high-profile Islamist speakers such as Bilal Philips, Zaid Shakir, Siraj Wahhaj, and Hamza Yusuf, alarmed the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), America's new border agency..
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Interesting... the Excellent Frog is always seen as quite plotting and evil. I don't think of AAC (sic) that way, even if I disagree with him/her.
"how many would consider Catholics a huge danger to America?"
The high percentage of parish's infested with communist/socialist leadership, quite high.
When I ran for the Assembly against Richard Alatore in 1980 8 of the 9 parish's in the district were the major support for communist Ceaser Chavez and supplied most of the demonstraters that infested the central valley and picket lines at markets across California.
We did not start out calling for the destruction of Islam; Islamist fascists called out for the destruction of the US and indeed began the war by attacking us on 9/11.
Allow me to share with you my perspective--you know from our conversations that I was a liberal leftist for years before my awakening. It was very typical and common for lls (liberal leftists, so I don't have to keep spelling it out) to resort to name calling such as "bigot", "racist" when the debate got hot, even when the topic at hand was not at all race-related! It was a way to shut your opponent down by forcing him to back away from the subject and explain why he was not a "racist".
Name calling (bigot, racist) is just not an effective debate technique, even if you think it fits your opponent(s), and you're not just using it as a way to shut them down . Surely there are better, more intellectually honest ways to make one's point? Name calling is also an emotional, irrational response--I understand this is a hot button subject, but we must try to keep the debate as civil as possible. We've all been guilty of going for the jugular, (moi aussi!) but it does lessen the quality of our arguments.
"Bigot" and "racist", to me, are code words for "I don't have anything better to offer". Again, my background has given me a particular aversion to using such labels even in a heated discussion.
I've seen people banned for overusage of these terms, so there must be some agreement on this topic at the higher echelons of FR.
Carry on...
(hops off soapbox)
If it's mere name-calling, then I agree with you 100%; it is, indeed, a prime ll tactic.
However, that's part of my point. The lls have so effectively won the language battles that they have changed our terminology, its implications, and the political battlefield itself. If the term "bigot" is appropriate, I believe it should be used, regardless of negative connotations. And if the negative connotations are appropriate, then perhaps those who are acting like bigots should reconsider their actions.
When Kretek points out the bigotry, to say "don't call names" is like saying a criminal shouldn't be accused of a crime "burglar," "murderer," etc. If the label fits...
Jeez, another terrorist sympathizer in our midsts.
Yeah, and it still lives and breathes on this forum.Not banned and silent since that post, too.
>"OK, so it appears that AACs interpretation of "stop tolerating" means that the Jews should embark on a sort of Holy War against Islam"<
Okay, so it appears that RS, desperately failing in this ongoing debate, and in his tunnel vision, lacking truly original ideas of his own, has resorted (yet again) to twisted misinterpretations of others' words in order to impute to them the meaning he wishes, rather than the meaning that is in fact resident in them.
One question: If you define the suggested action of Jews confronting the lies, hatred, and attacks (both verbal and otherwise) of the muslim world openly in the media and in public forums, and challenging the muslims with their own deplorable history as embarking on "a sort of Holy War" against Islam....
(I'll use small words here, since it seems large ones confuse you easily)
...then what do you call what the "Islamic world" is already obviously embarked upon against the Jews (and Christians)?
(Hint: The Islamic world calls it a "H--y W-r")
I did not suggest beginning by going to war, but it only takes one side to have a war, and since they've already declared one across the globe and backed it up by preferentially killing Jews, Christians, and recalcitrant (apostate) uncooperative brother and sister muslims, I just do not see how we are in any way obligate to capitulate, or lay down and die.
>"Since WE are not stupid enough to get suckered into giving Bin Laden the result he wanted, AAC turns to another way to support his goal."<
Since we are not ALL stupid enough be cowed or suckered into lying on the ground like some docile animal waiting for a big guy with a scowl on his face and a knife in his hand to come storming in, Bin Laden will not get the result he wanted.
I turn to the east, and say "if they will stay the hell OVER THERE, in their countries and kill no tourists, businessmen, visiting workers, or neighboring Jews and Christians, that will be good enough for me."
Try twisting someone else's words - someone who won't confront your fraudulent claims, call you on them, and demolish your BS, RS! Evidently those drugs your tagline references may have had significant and lingering detrimental effects...
(Oh dear! Oh my! I feel really really bad about myself. I may have just embarked upon a sort of "Holy War" against RS by my confrontational words...)
/SARC - OFF
A.A.C.
Sometimes words mean things (well, they're always supposed to...) and sometimes they mean what the dynamic of popular culture at large has redefined them to mean.
You can cite the dictionary definition of 'bigot' if you want to, but it comes nowhere near conveying the loaded meaning that the dynamic of public discourse has weighted it with.
A similarly comparable example might be the word 'bitch'. We all know well enough what a dictionary might offer, so I will bore nobody with particulars. But do you really think that will accurately reflect the meaning intended by a twenty-something African American girl seated with five girlfriends at a table in a bar, who says with a half-crocked smile, "Yo! I'm just hangin', chillin' wit' my bitches..."?
I don't think so, and I do not think "Squishy Knickers" was being so high-minded either.
A.A.C.
May I say, another cowardly terrorist sympathizer in our midst; he has not responded to any of the several challenges to his absurd statement.
I picture him staring blankly at his terminal, breathing through his mouth...
Take logic lessons from Mickey Moore On?
When a person is convicted of a murder, there is nothing prejudicial about about calling him a murderer; impirical evidence has been produced that led 12 fellow citizens to come to this conclusion.
But calling someone a bigot under the circumstances of this type of highly charged debate doesn't advance the name-caller, nor does it lend credence to his position; quite the opposite. The label only fits in the mind of the beholder aka the accuser. Kretek's mere labeling of A.A.C. a bigot does not make it so--and we would be less than clear thinkers if we accepted his label at face value; let him cite his reasons for coming to that conclusion; chapter and verse.
Because these emotionally charged words like racist and bigot have been coopted by the left, it becomes even more incumbent upon conservatives not to to throw them around lightly.
>"The Excellent Frog Award goes to AAC."<
I - I'm just stunned (or stuned?) I don't know what to say. I really beeber would have expected this...omigosh, this is so exciting! I'm gonna put this little green guy in a special terrarium on the mantle in my living room.
I'd like to thank my supporting cast, the producers and directors, all the voting members of the RKBA academy - you guys so rock! Wow, it's really cool being up here - you just can't even imagine...I'd also like to give a shout out to my mom - "Hi Mom! Love ya!", and special thanks to the deity of my personal belief system...
A debt of gratitude also goes to the hard-sweating men and camels of the Vast Islamic Conspiracy of Terrorism Intimidation and Murder - VICTIM! P.R.O.P.'s* to you guys! You really rock the Kasbah, with your C-4 and RPG's. I wanna be just like you camel-jockeys when I blow up...
What else can I say in conclusion - I hope I haven't forgotten anyone...You like me, you really, reeeealllllly like me!
A.A.C.
{his transcendent humility lit up the room as he left the podium radiating a beneficent smile}
Buchananite or DUmmie troll. I couldn't decide.
Tee hee!
Theme song to AAC's acceptance speech, played softly in the background, builds up to a crashing crescendo:
The Clash "Rock the Casbah"
"Shari'ah don't like it
Rock the Casbah, Rock the Casbah!"
haha! Great post.I could see you on the stage
with Froggie award in hand. :)
"Try twisting someone else's words - someone who won't confront your fraudulent claims, call you on them, and demolish your BS, RS!"
LOL - You don't seriously think most users here, no matter if they suport your side or not, read through your rants to try to figure out what it is you are really trying to say do you ?
"One question: If you define the suggested action of Jews confronting the lies, hatred, and attacks (both verbal and otherwise) of the muslim world openly in the media and in public forums, and challenging the muslims with their own deplorable history ...."
See, you CAN make a concise statement for what you mean.. good job !
( foolish to think that any sort of media war would cause the fanatic islamists to back down, but you DID at least make your point understandable )
I may speculate on what it is you are actually talking about, but fraudulent claims ? Hardly - on the other had, I have yet to see links from you supporting any of your babble.
>"The way Isreal has treated Palestine is certainly the largest cause of the grief in the middle east."<
Oh, you mean by 'Israel' giving the "palestinians" land on which to live at the Oslo accords...after their beloved "brother Arabs" had, down to the last man, refused to give them any?
Strangely, you may be right unintentionally. If Israel had NEVER ceded that land, the PA/PLO would not have had a place to store the weaponry they subsequently used against both Israel and fellow Arabs, never would have had a place from which to launch rocket and mortar attacks...and the Israelis might not now find themselves evicting their own settlers from their own land that they laboured long and hard to improve and bring forth a living from.
Other than that, congratulations on the prefrontal lobotomy. It seems to be working...hope those nasty scars heal up!
A.A.C.
>"LOL - You don't seriously think most users here, no matter if they suport your side or not, read through your rants to try to figure out what it is you are really trying to say do you ?"<
LOL! The "MTV generation" speaks!
Well, only those who are non drug-affected, or not charter members of "Short Attention Span Theatre"...
For those whose concept of a lengthy read with complex plot twists still includes "Curious George", or "Mike Mulligan and Marianne"...I may have to adjust and simplify.
A.A.C.
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