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Colson is right. This is how they will do it.

I've heard it pointed out several times since the Massachusetts decision that passage of gay marriage in one state will not force any other state to allow gay marriage. That is true. It's also true that no state that had a ban on abortion was forced to allow them when other states decriminalized it.

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1 posted on 03/30/2005 6:21:32 PM PST by Mr. Silverback
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To: Mr. Silverback

Nothing would surprise me when it comes to the American judicial system.

When the hell are the politicians going to stand up and take back the authority they are elected to exercise?


2 posted on 03/30/2005 6:28:20 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (Stop Hillary - PEGGY NOONAN '08)
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BreakPoint/Chuck Colson Ping!

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3 posted on 03/30/2005 6:30:10 PM PST by Mr. Silverback (If this case were a TV movie, Columbo would be showing up everywhere Michael Schiavo goes.)
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The decision will be written by Justice Kennedy and will be based on "International Law", "International Public Opinion", and "Evolving American Morality".


4 posted on 03/30/2005 6:30:36 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (Just Blame President Bush For Everything, It Is Easier Than Using Your Brain)
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Our black robed masters will do as they like.


5 posted on 03/30/2005 6:31:04 PM PST by NeoCaveman (Abortion, euthenasia, socialized medicine, don't Democrats just kill you.....)
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They will do it with sleight of hand. They'll uphold the gay marriage law in MA and VT, and that will set the stage for a cramdown on the rest of the nation. They've already ruled that states are bound to recognize each others marriages.


7 posted on 03/30/2005 6:45:57 PM PST by Brilliant
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Call me skeptical, but I don't think they have the "courage" to do it. After how anti-gay marriage amendments fared in November, I think the Justices may realize they could lose bigtime if they invalidated all the state constitutional amendments.

Does anyone know how many state constitutions specifically forbid gay marriage?


8 posted on 03/30/2005 6:57:18 PM PST by ALPAPilot
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But if the words sound familiar, it’s because they come from Justice Kennedy’s majority opinion in Romer v. Evans.

I think he means Lawrence v. Texas, which overturned Romer.

9 posted on 03/30/2005 6:57:21 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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We need congress to declare some things are outside of court jurisdiction. Marriage, restrictions on public displays of religion, etc.


10 posted on 03/30/2005 7:06:15 PM PST by Raycpa
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There is no need for an amendment to the Constitution. All congress has to do is use the power to place the law defining marriage as a civil and legal union between one man and one woman outside of the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court.

Article 3, Section 2, Clause 1 & 2 of the Constitution of the United States

Clause 1: The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;--to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;--to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;--to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;--to Controversies between two or more States;--between a State and Citizens of another State; (See Note 10)--between Citizens of different States, --between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

Clause 2: In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

No, there is nothing that will prevent them from changing the law in the future except our hot breath breathing down their necks.

13 posted on 03/30/2005 7:32:33 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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BTTT


15 posted on 03/30/2005 7:45:01 PM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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I hope some good Congressmen and Senators are reading up on impeachment and trials of Justices. It's about time to put them in their place.

When the First Amendment was gutted, it was a serious wake-up call. If they overturn a 70%+ opinion of the electorate, it will be time to throw a few out.


16 posted on 03/30/2005 8:05:20 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Impotent [birthrates] Lazy [unemployment %] Cowardly [Militarily Unprepared] Euroweenies!)
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re; "...and the destruction of marriage itself."

Last August I attended a very traditional HETERO m@rri@ge here in the Great White North and NOWHERE did I see any sign that the happy couple, their parents, peers or wellwishers felt THAT m@rri@ge was in any way diminished, denigrated, degraded or "destroyed" in that joyous moment by the thought that someone ELSE of homosexual persuasion was ALSO entering into Matrimony with THEIR chosen partner.

Though I had no reason to ask them I suspect if it had been appropriate to inquire "Could somehow your Bliss at this happy event in YOUR life be diminuated by the thought that someone else 'different' to you is ALSO entering into Matrimony? they would have said that they would hope that EVERYONE could experience the Joy they were sharing in that blessed moment.

Certainly NO ONE there felt that THEIR m@rri@ge was 'destroyed' even though doubtless 'gay marriages' were also going on nearby that day. I suspect no one even thought about the fact gays were also marrying...I certainly didnt, just wished Sam and Laura well.

Fear of new and unfamiliar social change is understandable...and not only to conservatives...remember how the liberals were terrified that 'shall issue'/'right to carry' handgun carry-permit legislation if enacted widely by US states [now about 2/3 isnt it?] would lead to 'bloodbaths on the streets'.

Well it didnt happen...and neither will 'Traditional m@rri@ge' be 'destroyed' if OTHER forms of NONtraditional m@rri@ge [including gay m@rri@ge] that FREEmen and women CHOOSE for themselves are recognized by the High Court as their equal Right under Law in the Land Of The FREE and the Home Of The Brave.

Have some of that COURAGE; gay m@rri@ge is NOT the end of anything for those of us who would dearly love to choose the traditional kind...its simply a beginning for those who might choose otherwise. God bless Liberty.

Traditional m@rri@ge WASN'T 'destroyed' HERE last August when Sam and Laura entered into it and it WON'T be destroyed for y'all either [if the thought that gays might be married could make you feel YOURS is suddenly worthless methinks you have bigger problems than gay m@rri@ge LOLOL] if the Courts recognize and protect gays equal rights to m@rry under Law.

Okay y'all can 'attack' the Ol Canucklehead now ;-) ;-)


17 posted on 03/30/2005 8:23:21 PM PST by FYREDEUS
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At that point, does anyone think that the Supremes will not declare gay “marriage” a constitutionally protected right on the very grounds that Kennedy has already stated in Romer?

If the Supreme Court does declare this, they will by default also be declaring that polygamous marriage is a constitutionally protected right based on the very same legal grounds.

29 posted on 03/30/2005 11:59:36 PM PST by judgeandjury
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Homosexual Agenda Ping.

I agree with his assesment. But I would amend one part -

"It’s time for Christians to say “enough is enough.” The handwriting is on the wall. Our robed masters will impose gay “marriage” on America unless we marshal our forces and pass a constitutional amendment."

I would change that to "people of every religious faith". Note how in Jerusalem religious leaders from the Christian, Jewish and even Muslim communities are banding together to fight the radical "gay" agenda from trying to defile Jerusalem and the people of faith there.

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34 posted on 03/31/2005 1:12:55 AM PST by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it)
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One entry found for oligarchy.
Main Entry: ol·i·gar·chy
Pronunciation: 'ä-l&-"gär-kE, 'O-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -chies
1 : government by the few
2 : a government in which a small group exercises control especially for corrupt and selfish purposes; also : a group exercising such control
3 : an organization under oligarchic control

Why not just start calling it what it is.

The Oligarchy of the Nine.

41 posted on 03/31/2005 12:52:35 PM PST by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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