Posted on 03/28/2005 4:34:13 PM PST by gentlestrength
Liberal Abrams Report started a piece today saying, "Is it time to give parents rights over spouse rights? I say no way."
An older and weaker looking Rev. Robert Schuller sat there via distance camera, looking very somber. "I think you've asked the wrong question."
Abrams scoffed, and smileless Schuller answered, "We have to be intelligent. We don't make an arbitarary statements [like you just did] without qualifictions. We don't just say yes this way or no that way,[as you are doing]; that's not intelligent."
Abrams changed the subject, starting about Terri's husband, and Schuller interrupted: "I can't understand why Michael Schiavo still calls himself a 'husband.' He has been with another woman since 1996 with two children. I do not think he has the love."
Abrams got miffed. Schuller sternly and quickly replied to him, "I did not ask to be on your program. You called me." Abrahms glibly agreed, claiming Schuller's opinion was important and that is why he asked him on.
Schuller continued somberly, "There are three kinds of love: Self-centered, which says 'I love you because I want you.' There is Self-serving love which says 'I love you because I need you.' And then there is self-giving love which says 'I love you because you need me.' We hope that the laws [in our country] will allow people to be receptive to self-giving love. "You can't just say that 'because this is the spouse...' I think you asked the wrong question, framing it as parents over spouse."
Schuller was calmly heated. With seeming great sincerity and anger, Schuller said, "I have never written ANYTHING more important in ALL my books than THIS chapter [about the need for self-giving love]." [Emphasis his].
At which point you hear laughs from Abrams, who attackingly says, "What you're saying now might this fall under self- serving love," gleefully insisting that nothing Schuller was saying could be true, since Schuller wrote it in book and gets money for the book.
They showed a graphic of Schuller's book, "Don't Throw Away Tomorrow," with Schuller's calling out angrily in frustration saying that with what is happening in the Schiavo case, "We are throwing away our future!" and "This is exactly what is happening!"
Abrams quickly closed with "I love my parents, but would never want them to have the final say over my spouse."
Abrams is not a good man.
It was wonderful to see Truth get out into the light.
Abrams did not succeed.
What do you base this rash assessment on?
Ummm .. Michael Shiavo's parents aren't the one fighting for Terri
It's Terri's OWN parents that are
1. It is not rash - that would imply I have never read or heard Abrams.
2. It's one of those little things that, well.. You actually have it explained to you, you're too young.
What's your opinion. You think it is OK to starve people to death to end their life?
Thanks for pointing this out.
My respect for Scheller has gone up a great deal...
do you say that just because you disagree with him?....that is not a rational statement or at least it sounds alot like what liberal activists spout
Abrams will be rebroadcast at 1:00 am, unless MSNBC pulls it.
Abrams is not a good man.
You ask "What do you base this rash assessment on?", that Abrams is "not a good man."
Try that he is using his public influence in proposing the murder of a woman by courts which allow a man who has been with another woman since 1996 to make her decsions. He is murdering Terri, as much as Michael is, if not even worse in that he had the ability to study morality, and instead speaks contrary to right and wrong.
He had the opportunities "to learn justice, and mercy and walking humbly with his God", which is what Scripture says God wants, and instead he slaps God in the face by wanting to murder Terri Schiavo by dehydration.
Robert Shuller is a good and kind man.
He's a stinky leftist and a shyster like his extreme dad Floyd.
He's a poser who tries coming off as "reasonable" for TV.
IMO
Thanks for posting that.
You get the feeling that Abrams and like-minded interviewers are just too cool for school. They already have all the answers and so they act impatient with their guests. It's incredibly annoying.
you don't need to turn this thread into another Terri must not die thread.....sinkspur said the same thing I asked. Why is someone not a good man for taking a legal position?....seems like we have railed against Dems long and hard when they make inane, illogical conclusions based on faulty premises.....
Was that the entire interview? I would have loved to see that and see more people like Rev Schuller on. Last week Larry King had Joni Earickson on and it was great. We need more of our spiritual leaders out front and center on this.
"My respect for Schuller has gone up a great deal..."
Mine too...I was so surprised at what I was hearing and seeing, that I started typing to get it down. It was shocking, and felt great to see and hear.
You misread that. He would want his spouse to have the final say, rather than his parents.
Micheal Schiavo's parents were #1 & #2.
Not relevant to discussion, just felt like pointing that out. Sue me. :-)
(Hope you have a sense of humor)
Quite obviously, Abrams is saying that he would not want HIS OWN parents to have the final say ABOUT HIM over the say of his wife.
Abrams isn't married, though, so I guess his parents would get final say after all.
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