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Rev. Schuller vs. Abrams Report: His Finest Hour! Against Michael Schiavo, and For Self-Giving Love
MSNBC TV Abrams Report | 3/28/05 | gentlestrength

Posted on 03/28/2005 4:34:13 PM PST by gentlestrength

Liberal Abrams Report started a piece today saying, "Is it time to give parents rights over spouse rights? I say no way."

An older and weaker looking Rev. Robert Schuller sat there via distance camera, looking very somber. "I think you've asked the wrong question."

Abrams scoffed, and smileless Schuller answered, "We have to be intelligent. We don't make an arbitarary statements [like you just did] without qualifictions. We don't just say yes this way or no that way,[as you are doing]; that's not intelligent."

Abrams changed the subject, starting about Terri's husband, and Schuller interrupted: "I can't understand why Michael Schiavo still calls himself a 'husband.' He has been with another woman since 1996 with two children. I do not think he has the love."

Abrams got miffed. Schuller sternly and quickly replied to him, "I did not ask to be on your program. You called me." Abrahms glibly agreed, claiming Schuller's opinion was important and that is why he asked him on.

Schuller continued somberly, "There are three kinds of love: Self-centered, which says 'I love you because I want you.' There is Self-serving love which says 'I love you because I need you.' And then there is self-giving love which says 'I love you because you need me.' We hope that the laws [in our country] will allow people to be receptive to self-giving love. "You can't just say that 'because this is the spouse...' I think you asked the wrong question, framing it as parents over spouse."

Schuller was calmly heated. With seeming great sincerity and anger, Schuller said, "I have never written ANYTHING more important in ALL my books than THIS chapter [about the need for self-giving love]." [Emphasis his].

At which point you hear laughs from Abrams, who attackingly says, "What you're saying now might this fall under self- serving love," gleefully insisting that nothing Schuller was saying could be true, since Schuller wrote it in book and gets money for the book.

They showed a graphic of Schuller's book, "Don't Throw Away Tomorrow," with Schuller's calling out angrily in frustration saying that with what is happening in the Schiavo case, "We are throwing away our future!" and "This is exactly what is happening!"

Abrams quickly closed with "I love my parents, but would never want them to have the final say over my spouse."


TOPICS: US: Florida
KEYWORDS: abramsreport; husband; michaelschiavo; schiavo; schuller; terrischiavo
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1 posted on 03/28/2005 4:34:20 PM PST by gentlestrength
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To: gentlestrength

Abrams is not a good man.

It was wonderful to see Truth get out into the light.

Abrams did not succeed.


2 posted on 03/28/2005 4:37:45 PM PST by freecopper01
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To: freecopper01
Abrams is not a good man.

What do you base this rash assessment on?

3 posted on 03/28/2005 4:39:49 PM PST by sinkspur (I'm in the WPPFF)
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To: gentlestrength
Abrams quickly closed with "I love my parents, but would never want them to have the final say over my spouse."

Ummm .. Michael Shiavo's parents aren't the one fighting for Terri

It's Terri's OWN parents that are

4 posted on 03/28/2005 4:41:31 PM PST by Mo1
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To: sinkspur

1. It is not rash - that would imply I have never read or heard Abrams.

2. It's one of those little things that, well.. You actually have it explained to you, you're too young.


5 posted on 03/28/2005 4:43:31 PM PST by freecopper01
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To: sinkspur

What's your opinion. You think it is OK to starve people to death to end their life?


6 posted on 03/28/2005 4:43:38 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: gentlestrength

Thanks for pointing this out.

My respect for Scheller has gone up a great deal...


7 posted on 03/28/2005 4:44:11 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
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To: freecopper01

do you say that just because you disagree with him?....that is not a rational statement or at least it sounds alot like what liberal activists spout


8 posted on 03/28/2005 4:47:06 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: gentlestrength

Abrams will be rebroadcast at 1:00 am, unless MSNBC pulls it.


9 posted on 03/28/2005 4:47:21 PM PST by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch.)
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To: sinkspur

Abrams is not a good man.
You ask "What do you base this rash assessment on?", that Abrams is "not a good man."

Try that he is using his public influence in proposing the murder of a woman by courts which allow a man who has been with another woman since 1996 to make her decsions. He is murdering Terri, as much as Michael is, if not even worse in that he had the ability to study morality, and instead speaks contrary to right and wrong.

He had the opportunities "to learn justice, and mercy and walking humbly with his God", which is what Scripture says God wants, and instead he slaps God in the face by wanting to murder Terri Schiavo by dehydration.


10 posted on 03/28/2005 4:48:30 PM PST by gentlestrength (Jesus said if you are pro-murder even just in your thoughts, you are guilty before God)
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To: gentlestrength

Robert Shuller is a good and kind man.


11 posted on 03/28/2005 4:49:01 PM PST by Jackknife (No man is entitled to the blessings of freedom unless he be vigilant in its preservation.-MacArthur)
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To: freecopper01

He's a stinky leftist and a shyster like his extreme dad Floyd.

He's a poser who tries coming off as "reasonable" for TV.

IMO


12 posted on 03/28/2005 4:49:18 PM PST by Finalapproach29er (Open borders=National suicide)
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To: gentlestrength

Thanks for posting that.

You get the feeling that Abrams and like-minded interviewers are just too cool for school. They already have all the answers and so they act impatient with their guests. It's incredibly annoying.


13 posted on 03/28/2005 4:49:38 PM PST by Sabatier
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To: tallhappy; sinkspur

you don't need to turn this thread into another Terri must not die thread.....sinkspur said the same thing I asked. Why is someone not a good man for taking a legal position?....seems like we have railed against Dems long and hard when they make inane, illogical conclusions based on faulty premises.....


14 posted on 03/28/2005 4:49:54 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: gentlestrength
prior to yesterday, my only acquaintance with Rev. schuller was his TV commercials. They seemed hoaky and I figured he was another swaggart like caricature. After seeing him on one of the shows yesterday, and reading this post I have newfound respect for him and less for Abrams.
then again few watch his show.
15 posted on 03/28/2005 4:50:08 PM PST by avile
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To: gentlestrength

Was that the entire interview? I would have loved to see that and see more people like Rev Schuller on. Last week Larry King had Joni Earickson on and it was great. We need more of our spiritual leaders out front and center on this.


16 posted on 03/28/2005 4:51:50 PM PST by queenkathy (I'm praying for that God will perform a miracle.)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

"My respect for Schuller has gone up a great deal..."

Mine too...I was so surprised at what I was hearing and seeing, that I started typing to get it down. It was shocking, and felt great to see and hear.


17 posted on 03/28/2005 4:52:13 PM PST by gentlestrength
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To: Mo1

You misread that. He would want his spouse to have the final say, rather than his parents.


18 posted on 03/28/2005 4:53:04 PM PST by GoLightly
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To: Mo1

Micheal Schiavo's parents were #1 & #2.

Not relevant to discussion, just felt like pointing that out. Sue me. :-)
(Hope you have a sense of humor)


19 posted on 03/28/2005 4:53:13 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Mo1

Quite obviously, Abrams is saying that he would not want HIS OWN parents to have the final say ABOUT HIM over the say of his wife.

Abrams isn't married, though, so I guess his parents would get final say after all.


20 posted on 03/28/2005 4:54:35 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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