Posted on 03/28/2005 8:39:13 AM PST by srm913
Why I've Stopped Arguing with Liberals
by Pat Sajak Posted Mar 28, 2005
Every time I argue with a Liberal, Im reminded of quarrels I used to have with my parents. The battles never seemed fair because my folks decided what the rules were and what was out of bounds. In addition, because they were parents, they could threaten me in ways I couldnt threaten them, and they could say things I could never say.
Recently, for example, I was discussing the United Sates Supreme Court with one of my many Liberal friends out in Los Angeles when she said, without any discernable embarrassment, that Justice Anton Scalia was worse than Hitler. Realizing she wasnt alive during World War II and perhaps she may have been absent on those days when her schoolmates were studying Nazism, I reminded her of some of Hitlers more egregious crimes against humanity, suggesting she may have overstated the case. She had not; Scalia was worse. As I often did when my parents threatened to send me to my room, I let the conversation die.
Aside from being rhetorically hysterical -- and demeaning to the memory of those who suffered so terribly as a result of Hitler and the Nazis -- it served to remind me of how difficult it is to have serious discussions about politics or social issues with committed members of the Left. They tend to do things like accusing members of the Right of sowing the seeds of hatred while, at the same time, comparing them to mass murderers. And they do this while completely missing the irony.
The moral superiority they bring to the table allows them to alter the playing field and the rules in their favor. They can say and do things the other side cant because, after all, they have the greater good on their side. If a Conservative -- one of the bad guys -- complains about the content of music, films or television shows aimed at children, he is being a prude who wants to tell other people what to read or listen to or watch; he is a censor determined to legislate morality. If, however, a Liberal complains about speech and, in fact, supports laws against certain kinds of speech, it is right and good because we must be protected from this hate speech or politically incorrect speech. (Of course, they -- being the good guys -- will decide exactly what that is.)
Protests about Ward Churchill, the University of Colorado professor and self-proclaimed Native American, who, among other things, likened some Sept. 11 victims to Adolf Eichmann (there go those pesky Nazis again), were characterized by much of the Left as an effort to stifle academic freedom. But, when Harvard President Lawrence H. Summers job is put in jeopardy over a caveat-filled musing about science and gender, its okay, because what he said was sooo wrong (even if it has to be mis-characterized to make the point).
When Liberals want to legislate what youre allowed to drive or what you should eat or how much support you can give to a political candidate or what you can or cant say, they are doing it for altruistic reasons. The excesses of the Left are to be excused because these folks operate from the higher moral ground and the benefit of the greater wisdom and intelligence gained from that perspective.
In a different West Coast conversation, I complained to another Liberal friend about some of the Lefts tone concerning the 2004 elections. I thought it insulting to hear those red state voters caricatured as red-necked rubes. My friend asked, Well, dont you think that people who live in large urban areas, who travel and read and speak other languages are better able to make informed choices? It turns out it is superiority, not familiarity, which breeds contempt.
The rhetoric has become so super-heated that, sadly, I find myself having fewer and fewer political discussions these days. And while I miss the spirited give-and-take, when Supreme Court Justices become worse than Hitler and when those who vote a certain way do so because theyre idiots, its time to talk about the weather.
Liberals have no understanding whatsoever of logic or cause and effect, and as a result they are capable of spouting off the most contradictory ideas with the sincerity of the most ardent jihadist.
That's why it's useless talking to them.
Arguing with a liberal is like teaching a pig to sing. It's a great waste of your time, and it annoys the hell out of the pig.
Then there's a freeper tagline I read (I can't remember whose it was):
Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level, then beat you with experience.
This is a supremely stupid allegation! The liberals might be truly surprised to learn that a very large percentage of folks in our state and several other Red States actually travel, learn to speak other languages and have excellent, advanced educations. Not only that, we are also smart enough to understand and reject the idiocies of the liberals. Based upon all of that, we make truly informed choices and do so at the ballot boxes. May it ever be so!
"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke
I was having a discusion with a liberal friend about the Clintons and hsi rejoinder to me was "Well, yeah, but I don't believe that they are evil deep down inside."
That pretty much ended the discusion. How do you argue with that type of "logic"?
Hey, if the liberals know so damned much, how come they keep losing elections?
This may be my ignorance, but at one time i thought liberals were good. I thought they were the ones who saved lives......etc. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT TRUE. This open mindedness has gone too far. I was all for this open mindedness until now. People think that it's so important to enforce the right to die....and their rights that they choose to kill a handicapped person. THAT IS WRONG. Once again this may be my lack of education....but at least i'm seeing liberals for what they are or have become now. And there i am sure some liberals out there against this. So please no one get offended by what i say......basically......I think you are crap if you think this is right! All of you that don't, god bless you and if you aren't christian......may good come to you! This is not a "crazy christian" battle.........this is about humane people. Of course a lot of christians agree with this, but a lot don't at the same time. It's just sorting out the good from the bad in the world........and i have dropped frineds over this issue, maybe that's too much........but I don't see a person wit h a good heart saying this is right! Now for those that haven't watched enough on it.....i can see the idiocy. But those who have followed a lot of it......you better believe if you let this hitler do this and ok with it, you have no morals.
I find that when liberals no they have lost the debate they resort to one word: Halliburton. At that point I just laugh.
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"You know you`ve won the debate when the socialist/neo-marxist left descend to name calling within the context of a debate with you,you know you`ve just won.Hands down,the debates over."
What I do is go to www.craigslist.com and go to the New York or SF political sites. They are strewn with Liberals trying to argue points. I walk in, drop some bombs, end it with :
DNC Talking Point - Bush = Hitler
RNC Talking Point - Let the DNC Talk
I never knew there were so many curses in the English Language. The libs must have a dictionary full of them.
It is hysterical.
Well, dont you think that people who live in large urban areas, who travel and read and speak other languages are better able to make informed choices?
"Justice" Harry Blackmun and six others WERE worse than Hitler, as are the current supporters of abortion.
My friend asked, Well, dont you think that people who live in large urban areas, who travel and read and speak other languages are better able to make informed choices?
If your friend thinks that people in urban areas are better read and more educated than those in the entirety of the red states, then she/he is even more delusional than you may have realized previously!
Pat, trying to speak logic to liberals is like trying to teach a pig to fly, a waste of time for all involved and very annoying to the pig.
If you want to try something even better, guaranteeing a much more pleasant life, try giving up associating with them. This includes relatives.
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