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Posted on 03/25/2005 12:17:45 AM PST by STARWISE
Judge George Greer ruled that the State of Florida has no right to take custody of Terri Schiavo, which ruling came hours after an appeal by Terri's parents to re-insert the feeding tube was refused by the U.S. Supreme Court.
Meanwhile, another hearing was scheduled tonight before US District Judge James D. Whittemore .. the same judge who previously heard and denied the request subsequent to the 'de novo' intention of the law past last weekend by the Congress and signed by President Bush, in an effort to confirm that no stone was left unturned before Terri would endure legally sanctioned dehydration until death.
Yeah, we do! :o)
I had already. That's why I asked what's this guy's other history. So, he thought too highly of himself to drop his fees for the Schindlers and later found himself presiding over the case. Ok, I can believe that happening in FL, but how has he been involved since Greer? Does he still have a stake in it other than cya from a decade ago? What influence has he on the Supremes or Jeb?
Why would W or Jeb travel so far to visit Terri when Greer couldn't be bothered to stop in for a glass of water with her when he was her guardian? As someone said, Terri isn't 'popular' enough to be saved.
I used to consider FR home too. There is another thread where we're being likened to DU nuts. We're the wackos of the party etc. And they're making fun of a woman in prayer. Thought FR was pro-life and pro God.
Wampus, I don't think one can register "independent" in SC. He can vote in either or both party primaries, can't he, if they are not held on the same day? If one does not vote in a primary, he is an "unaffiliated voter" and can vote in the general election thereafter.
She was repeating what Michael Schiavo said. That is NOT her opinion.
Imagine how Nixon felt the first week of August 1974! Liberals ironically never realized what a friend that they had in Nixon.
Mark Steyn making perfect sense as he seems able to do in every other matter:
No compelling reason to kill Terri Schiavo
http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn271.html
"We can't know which camp we'd fall into until it happens to us. And it behooves us to maintain a certain modesty about presuming to speak for others -- even those we know well. Example: ''Driving down there, I remember distinctly thinking that Chris would rather not live than be in this condition.'' That's Barbara Johnson recalling the 1995 accident of her son Christopher Reeve. Her instinct was to pull the plug; his was to live."
more at the above link, and below is the FR link to discussion:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1371671/posts
Good and evil cross all party and political lines.
Thanks for clarifying.
Sorry it's taken so long to get an answer -- just noticed it.
Yes, I believe with that lapse it would be a wise decision, and a good one.
I know nothing about shames..I was not the one that posted that
Very interesting the FL Senate's web page is down. Don't suppose it had anything to do with them not wanting to hear anything else about Terri, huh? Ok, everybody put your hands over your ears so you can't hear the truth and everything will be ok.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1371862/posts
Now there is a character named "Shames" in this horror.
Is there no SHAME in FL? Is there no balm in Gilead?
Reeve did quite well for himself and was a powerhouse for the disabled.
That was very beautifully said, Russ. Bless you and thank you.
Yes, not to mention Stephen Hawking who speaks only with a sythesizer. Completely physically disabled.
Too bad Terri couldn't have been a poster-child for something. She might have been spared being put out of her misery...
As Terri’s legacy to us, we have to work, no we must work to change the laws that allow something like this to happen in this country, Florida is more perverse than most, but there are many more. When Florida has a legislator who writes publicly that she was going to change her vote until someone called her a name I became most worried. We have children going out and making pipe bombs or stealing weapons and going back to their schools and killing other students and teachers because they have been called names. But for a legislator to admit that being called a name was the reason she chose death over life is downright scary. Just as Michael’s choice of a terribly agonizing death over a lifetime of unconditional love is scary and indicative of the person he is. We cannot blame the Bush's, they did everything they could within the statutes we allowed our legislators to enact, and then some.
We must work to hold judges responsible for their actions or lack of actions when they fail to act when a crime is committed. Judge Greer failed to protect a young woman who asked for his protection and the protection of the court. He can never be held responsible for that action even though he is as responsible for her death as if he had placed the knife in her killer’s hand, because he allowed it to happen. While I don’t think he was a judge at the time, as a judge today, as every judge should, he should be actively pursuing or causing the pursuit of those who starved and dehydrated Lisa McPherson to death. There should be an investigation documented in the records of the court and there should be warrants for the arrest of the men whether they are within or beyond the boundaries of the United States. We do have international agreements providing for the extradition of such persons, but someone must pursue it, or it doesn’t happen. It should be mandatory, not something the judge or states attorney decides they want or don’t want to pursue. A murder was committed. A life was prematurely and perversely taken as documented by the autopsy report clearly indicates.
Incompetency/guardianship laws need to be changed. Lawyers who haunt rehab and phased life care centers should be disbarred period. No one should have a judgment of incompetency placed on them without a full conversation with the judge (face to face), no sooner than 3 months after any surgery or process requiring anesthesia or pain relief medication other than aspirin or similar OTC medication, and no attorney should be allowed to oversee the guardianship. When the incompetent person is so adjudged, the guardianship should include one medical representative, one family member, and one member of the clergy or advocate. When there is not a surviving family member, then another advocate, perhaps DCF, should be appointed. These guardians should not be in charge of their funds nor should they be allowed to dissipate any funds or assets, nor should the judge be allowed to dissipate those assets to provide for ANYTHING other than medical care or educational use. Where you have a parent whose spouse has died, then a petition to the court should be allowed to use funds to provide for educational and medical care of a minor, and they should be allowed physical guardianship of the minor until they reach their majority. Persons should be allowed to petition the court to re-instate their identities.
In the case of Terri, the spirit of the law was ignored. She is/was the victim of a judge who followed the letter of the law forgetting the balance of justice, the spirit of the law, as has been consistently upheld by other courts. The law was written for the terminally ill (i.e. dying of cancer or other diseases). Terri was never dying, but Judge Greer, ruled contrary (sp.) to the spirit of the law. Terri was also the victim of a man who has twice previously killed, who admitted on nationwide TV that he had no idea what her wishes were, and as such, who is a threat to every patient in any hospital, jail or clinic he may work in. She was the victim of an attorney who is certifiable and with a deep abiding interest in the “cleansing” of our society of the disabled and infirm, according to his own book.
We must change the law with the help of our legislators to eliminate the use of starvation and dehydration as a method of terminating any person’s life under any circumstances. The terminally ill who do not have a legally written living will, signed by their own hand, and sworn to in front of a legitimate notary, and who has made an informed decision, should not be forced to die at the hand of anyone under any circumstances, regardless of who makes the request. This case proved that women, in particular, are still chattel and that whatever their husband wants is what the court will approve. This is one reason why so many young women are remaining single, by choice, and raising their children as single parents. In fairness to 99.9% of men and women spouses in this world, most would not want to end a life to unburden themselves, but then we have Michael, who chooses death in agony over a lifetime of unconditional love. Witness Prince Ranier, who could have courted many women, he chose to honor of his marriage vows and I doubt very seriously that he would have chosen to kill Princess Grace regardless of her circumstances.
A right to die law should involve an informed decision regarding a persons own condition. Their request for assistance in dying should be signed by them, sworn to in front of a reputable notary, and witnessed by no fewer than 3 people. The assistance should not include the withholding of food and water. The terminally ill self-regulate regarding the ingestion of food and water. Death should be painless, and it should be administered by professionals who are able to judge the level of acuteness of the disease at the time, but at no time by the request of a spouse, child, or parent. PVS should not be a reason to kill. It has no clear and concise definition and therefore should not be included as a reason to terminate a person’s life. Withholding food and water to terminate a life allows us to terminate anyone’s life, without the clear definition above, and since all of us eat and drink, in fact we have to eat and drink to survive, should not be included in the definition of “artificial” life support.
So: eliminate starvation/dehydration as a means to terminate any life; change guardianship/incompetency laws to eliminate dissipation of funds; living will encouragement; depending on your point of view, a right to die law that clearly puts you in command, and holding judges responsible for errors in judgment and failure to act.
We should also try to help eliminate Medicare/Medicaid fraud by not allowing judges to place persons on it after allowing the dissipation of their funds for other than medical or educational uses. This is a major reason for the withholding of food and water to our disabled and seniors in the US. A person, anywhere in the United States, cannot afford to live on the allowance of Medicare/Medicaid, so hospices, phased care retirement facilities, etc., cannot keep these people and make the profit their stockholders demand. Florida is owed $14 million in medicare fraud by Terri’s hospice chain, but no one is collecting it, why not?
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