Posted on 03/23/2005 11:51:43 AM PST by kingattax
On Fox News Channel, Martha McCallum just announced that Florida governor Jeb Bush will make a statement on the Terri Schiavo case at 3 PM EST.
And the HINO could divorce Terri and move on.
I just can't believe how selfish you all are.
Oh right. The giving, caring thing to do is kill her. Mmmm-hmm.
"The nurses are there around the clock to observe and treat patience, not the doctors."
Yes, and most folks just do not realize that the world of nursing home care is so different in many ways from a hospital where the patients come and go. In a nursing HOME that is just what it IS, the home of the RESIDENT of that facility. We, basically, worked in the patients home. We knew these people inside and out. We knew what they were capable of accomplishing, and what was beyond those capabilities. In both nursing home and hospital, the nurses carry out the doctors orders of course. But in a nursing home we kind of LIVE with these people and KNOW them. Thus our observations are frequently the basis upon which many orders are written. Of course the doctors usually have more MEDICAL knowledge, but nurses have more hands on knowledge of the PERSON the patient is.
pattyjo
What is ROM?
Giving in is not an option..they would rather lose everything and torture everyone in the process rather than give in.
"That could be used to describe the Schindlers as well."
Oh my goodness Hildy, if that is how you feel you should back away from this thread and start reading the many threads about this case.
Educate yourself before you jump into a discussion...and if you are too stiff necked to follow this advice....then just go and appreciate your husband....and be sure to get that 'living will' filled out....just in case.
a)Honey, Don't ever let me live in that condition
b )Honey, If I ever get like that, please make sure you do everything in your power, whatever the cost to you and our family,financially and emotionally, to keep me in that vegitative state no matter how long it takes. I want you to come and sit by my side every day and go home alone every night.
Which one would you pick, Mo1?
Range of Motion. Exercises performed by nurse or CNA, either passively or with some assist by the patient, to maintain the natural range of motion of arms, legs, joints, fingers, etc.
pattyjo
Now you sound like the person you most likely are deep in the core of your being.
Play games.
It's quite all right.
It doesn't harm me, nor give me pause.
Glad to see the real Hildy come out to play.
It's much better to see who one is really like, inside.
I'm playing games? I still don't know what the hell you're talking about. Send me a decoder rnig and then we'll talk. Oy.
"...I would be by his side and not with another man."
That's because you know that Love means standing by someone when the hard times come, the suffering, the illnesses, the tears. True Love sustains us during difficulties and gives us strength to stay with our loved one when they face their personal hells, illness or loss.
I believe you understand and have that kind of true love with your husband and in the exchanges you are having now with this FReeper, you win.
range of motion--sorry
But my point is if he loved you, he wouldn't want you to give up your whole life. OK, let me put it this way. You're visiting somebody in the hospital, and you pass by a room where somebody is all contorted up, in a vegitative state. Would you say to your husband:
a)Honey, Don't ever let me live in that condition
b )Honey, If I ever get like that, please make sure you do everything in your power, whatever the cost to you and our family,financially and emotionally, to keep me in that vegitative state no matter how long it takes. I want you to come and sit by my side every day and go home alone every night.
Which one would you pick, Mo1?
See Hildy, here's the problem - Michael HAS done everything in his power to keep her in THAT STATE. However, there were and ARE options to help her GET BETTER. That's the key, he's not TRYING to help her get better, and actually trying to make her worse.
And frankly, if I was in that state, I would expect my wife to honor her commitment to me, made before GOD. Just as I would honor that commitment to her, made before GOD.
But what would HE want. That's my point. Would he want you to spend your life by his side when there's no hope of recovery or would he want you to go live a wonderful life full of love and joy.
You're very good at your craft, Hildy.
Yet you cannot explain away the marriage vows.
Nor can you quantify fidelity, or loyalty, or love without denigrating those very things.
If someone gives a timespan of loyalty, the odds are great the loyalty is already gone.
Same with trust, and love, and fidelity...and so on.
Interesting to find out what caused you to turn that particular corner.
Ro_thunder, we're very different people then. I would consider you very selfish if that's what you would expect if you were 24 years old from the man you married.
Well .. I have a Living Will that states not to give up on me
My husband knows my wishes since he was there when we had our lawyer write up our Wills .. which I might add was done when I got married at 24 yrs of age.
Plus .. due to all this with Terri .. I have told my husband that if he ever starve me to death that I would haunt him till he the day he die :0)
With that all said and should my husband not want to stay married to me .. he has every right to divorce me .. but he doesn't have the right to kill me
Range of Motion
It seems to be. There's nothing that says DCF has to get permission before taking emergency custody. From the statute -
(2) EMERGENCY PROTECTIVE SERVICES INTERVENTION. --If the department has reasonable cause to believe that a vulnerable adult is suffering from abuse or neglect that presents a risk of death or serious physical injury to the vulnerable adult and that the vulnerable adult lacks the capacity to consent to emergency protective services, the department may take action under this subsection. If the vulnerable adult has the capacity to consent and refuses consent to emergency protective services, emergency protective services may not be provided.
(a) Emergency entry of premises. --If, upon arrival at the scene of the incident, consent is not obtained for access to the alleged victim for purposes of conducting a protective investigation under this subsection and the department has reason to believe that the situation presents a risk of death or serious physical injury, a representative of the department and a law enforcement officer may forcibly enter the premises. If, after obtaining access to the alleged victim, it is determined through a personal assessment of the situation that no emergency exists and there is no basis for emergency protective services intervention under this subsection, the department shall terminate the emergency entry.
(b) Emergency removal from premises. --If it appears that the vulnerable adult lacks the capacity to consent to emergency protective services and that the vulnerable adult, from the personal observations of the representative of the department and specified medical personnel or law enforcement officers, is likely to incur a risk of death or serious physical injury if such person is not immediately removed from the premises, then the representative of the department shall transport or arrange for the transportation of the vulnerable adult to an appropriate medical or protective services facility in order to provide emergency protective services. Law enforcement personnel have a duty to transport when medical transportation is not available or needed and the vulnerable adult presents a threat of injury to self or others. If the vulnerable adult's caregiver or guardian is present, the protective investigator must seek the caregiver's or guardian's consent pursuant to subsection (4) before the vulnerable adult may be removed from the premises, unless the protective investigator suspects that the vulnerable adult's caregiver or guardian has caused the abuse, neglect, or exploitation. The department shall, within 24 hours after providing or arranging for emergency removal of the vulnerable adult, excluding Saturdays, Sundays, and legal holidays, petition the court for an order authorizing emergency protective services.
(c) Emergency medical treatment. --If, upon admission to a medical facility, it is the opinion of the medical staff that immediate medical treatment is necessary to prevent serious physical injury or death, and that such treatment does not violate a known health care advance directive prepared by the vulnerable adult, the medical facility may proceed with treatment to the vulnerable adult. If a person with legal authority to give consent for the provision of medical treatment to a vulnerable adult has not given or has refused to give such consent, examination and treatment must be limited to reasonable examination of the patient to determine the medical condition of the patient and treatment reasonably necessary to alleviate the emergency medical condition or to stabilize the patient pending court determination of the department's petition authorizing emergency protective services. Any person may seek an expedited judicial intervention under rule 5.900 of the Florida Probate Rules concerning medical treatment procedures.
(d) Emergency protective services petition. --A petition filed under this subsection must state the name, age, and address of the vulnerable adult and allege the facts constituting the emergency protective services intervention and subsequent removal of the vulnerable adult or provision of in-home services, the facts relating to the capacity of the vulnerable adult to consent to services, the efforts of the department to obtain consent, and the services needed or delivered.
(e) Notice. --Notice of the filing of the emergency protective services petition and a copy of the petition must be given to the vulnerable adult, to that person's spouse, to that person's guardian, if any, to legal counsel representing the vulnerable adult, and, when known, to adult children or next of kin of the vulnerable adult. Such notice must be given at least 24 hours before any hearing on the petition for emergency protective services.
(f) Hearing. --When emergency removal has occurred under this subsection, a hearing must be held within 4 days after the filing of the emergency protective services petition, excluding Saturday, Sunday, and legal holidays, to establish reasonable cause for grounds to continue emergency protective services.
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