Posted on 03/13/2005 1:11:03 PM PST by jan in Colorado
In Islam, lying or omissions for the 'greater good,' according to a strict or radical Islam/Islamist philosophy is not only acceptable, it is holy and blessed work. It is called al-Takeyya (or al-Taqiyya) and is a strategy outlined in the Hadiths and supported by various interpretations of some of the Suras in the Koran. We have just seen it in action and most people never even caught the whiff of mental ether the Islamists were pouring into the airways of the already comatose and choking non-Islamist world.
Al-Takeyya is a policy whereby a Muslim may lie, deceive or omit critical truths if it promotes the spreading of Islam AND the conquest of the non-Muslim world. According to William P. Welty, Ph.D., al-Takeyya/Taqiyya is:
"The Islamic principle of lying for the sake of Allah. Falsehoods told to prevent denigration of Islam, to protect oneself, or to promote the cause of Islam are sanctioned by the Qur'an, including lying under penalty of perjury in testimony before the United States Congress, lying or making distorted statements to the media such as claiming that Islam is a religion of peace and deceiving fellow Muslims when the one lying has deemed them to be apostates." (1)
And here is the definition from an Islam encyclopedia website:
"The word "al-Taqiyya" literally means: "Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies..." (2)
Now here's where the latest Islamist sneak maneuver of al Takeyya/Taqiyya comes into play. The Islamic Commission of Spain issued a decree against al-Qaeda terrorist leader Osama bin Laden. They did this in response to the bombing of a Madrid train last year by al Qaeda.
Mansur Escudero, head of the Federation of Islamic Religious Entities, called on clerics to formally condemn terrorism and pray for all terror victims. He went on to state, ''The terrorist acts of Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda organization ... which result in the death of civilians, such as women and children ... are totally prohibited and are the object of strong condemnation within Islam.''
Sounds good so far.
But let's examine what this man did not say, as well as the timing of his little media-sensation fatwa.
This fatwa was timed to coincide with the 1-year anniversary of the bombing in Madrid. Sure, several hundred people died, but this is not the first time that hundreds, nay, thousands of people have died at the hands of Muslims merely because they weren't Muslim.
Therefore, one must ask why was there no such fatwa issued in the aftermath of 9-11? And why has no fatwa about the "...death of civilians, such as women and children'' ever been issued regarding the thousands upon thousands of Jewish/Israeli victims of genocidal terror ever been issued?
I will tell you why. This is al-Takeyya/Taqiyya at its most devious and deceptive. And the key word here is 'civilians.'
In radical Islam (Islamism), any Jew living in Israel is not considered either 'innocent' or a 'civilian.' Nor were the people living and working in America on 9-11. Islamists consider the 'Great Satan -- America,' and the 'Little Satan -- Israel,' to be enemy combatants. And this includes every man, woman or child, even babes in arms, even sleeping or in school or playing in playgrounds. This includes any and all who are not Islamists and who oppose being forced to kneel down and pay homage to Allah or his followers. In particular, Christians (whom they call 'Crusaders'), and Jews.
This also includes those of us who refuse to allow the Islamists to insidiously inject their politico-religious dogma into our way of life. And this especially includes Israel, whom the Islamists view as a polluting force in their quest for 'Arab unity' and a Judenrein Middle East.
So the fatwa issued by this Muslim cleric living in Spain was meant to put the free and civilized world into yet another coma. He was hoping we would see this supposedly 'peaceful and tolerant' religious edict and sing the praises of Islam and remind each other how it is a 'peaceful' religion, even though the word 'Islam' also means 'to submit,' and our utter and complete submission is what they are working towards.
The crafter of this latest religious edict, so proudly trumpeted to the world, has achieved nothing more than a clumsy attempt to delude us into thinking that Islamism is really nice and honorable and loving and peaceful. It is also meant to deceive us into believing that even though such edicts were never issued -- and will never be issued -- regarding Americans or Israelis, these particular Muslims are mainstream moderates.
Camel cakes! We are now familiar with the ploy of lying, omissions and deceit as sanctioned by al-Takeyya/Taqiyya. And some of us are not in a humanist/liberal feel-good coma like lambs going to the slaughter. And we will continue to alert you to the deceptions used by the Islamists.
The lesson to be learned here is not to look for what is said, but what is deliberately not said. If anything, this fatwa, by its omissions and timing (or lack thereof) has simply reinforced the fact that the Islamists do not see Israel or Judeo-Christian America as 'innocent.' It has reaffirmed that they see us all as ripe for deceit and murder in the name of Allah.
You don't even see the meaning of that, do you? That Islamic leaders are denouncing the lind of Islam that we all are opposed to denies your contention that Islam is "evil" or that all Muslims are somehow responsible for terrorism.
You don't hve to agree with their belief system -- I don't -- but you are being unfair if you equate all Muslims with bin Laden and his crowd, and that is what you are doing. That paints a false picture and diverts our attentionfrom the militants, who are the real enemy, to the woman down the street in the prayer shawl. They're not the same thing.
Would you favor Muslim internment camps? Why or why not?
>> That Islamic leaders are denouncing the lind of Islam <<
The koran says it's okay to lie to infidels. You willing to bet your life and the lives of your loved ones that these vermin are telling the truth?
The muzzies will LIE until they have enough strength to take over by force.
You are foolish to believe ANYTHING these murdering scum say.
I went over his posts again throughout the thread and saw many contradictions, and I need not enumerate them, we all recognize what we have here, don't we sw?
After reading his posts, I am convinced he is not a Christian and I am unsure why he feels it necessary to lie about this.
I suspect a member of TROP. Or an leftist troll. Either way, I will not engage in any further debate, as I see that it is an exercise in futility.
Bless you my friend
Ari
I don't take a world view. We have enough to worry about right here in America. We can't police the whole world.
How many Hindus have flown airplanes into our buildings?
How many Tamils have blown holes in our warships and killed our sailors?
How many Sikhs have blown up our embassies and killed our Marines?
You'd do good arguing for the UN.
WHERE ARE THEY??!
My eyes would have been swollen shut every weekend.
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TC, sometimes I'd run in the house and put a pillow over my head, but I could never quite drown it out.
I can't imagine the horrors that you have witnessed in your travels. What kind of religion is enforced by fear, like the kind you described by the poor women in the UAE?
What kind of people enjoy a beheading? This is suspiciously close to what happened to normal people under fascism--they lost their sense of good and evil, right and wrong.
The news media is bending over backwards to keep from shedding a bad light on Islam.
IF there were Muslim leaders coming out for the cessation of terrorist acts, the news media would blow it all over the front pages!
Yes, that's true. The difference here is that the Muslims never have a chance to learn right from wrong. They are brainwashed from birth.
Look at the little girls and boys with explosives strapped to their bodies. They're happy. They think they're doing something very good because they've been taught that all their lives.
I really think they are possessed by Satan. Only the Prince of Darkness could foster such hate and anger.
"Well, your research wasn't good enough. It's NOT Islam, it's Islamism"
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Cheap shot. Has no place in the debate; you could have gone straight to your point, but you obviously felt a need to assert your sense of superiority.
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"There have been some condemnations, including a recent fatwa against bin Laden, which I hope is carried out successfully. There have not been enough of them, I'll grant you, but the ones that have been issued do not get much attention from the media, because the media wants to portray our current efforts as a war against Muslims rather than a war against terrorists. If we show Muslims condemning the terrorists, that makes it clearly focused as a war on terror (which it si, of course), not a war on Islam. Once again, the media is serving its ideologyu before the facts."
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I am naturally suspicious of this fatwa, coming 4 years after the slaughter. And it could be another instance of the Islamic practic of taqiyyeh, which is sanctioned by the Koran. By the way, I will take the high road and refraim from pointing out your own misspellings and typos.
Anyone else wish to comment on the recent fatwa against Bin Laden?
Would you favor Muslim internment camps? Why or why not?
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You didn't ask me, but its a free republic. The question is silly and specious, since no one has suggested such a thing. Besides, who would be dumb enough to implement such a PR nightmare? And it doesn't answer the problem of removing muslims involved with islamic terrorism from the country. Deportation, tighter borders, better cooperation between the FBI and the CIA, better standards in the INS could have saved thousands of people a world of grief.
Hi Jan,
How many of us rolled our eyes and said taqiyyeh as soon as we heard about this "fatwa"?
It's so phony it insults your intelligence!
Anyone else wish to comment on the recent fatwa against Bin Laden?
Heheh... I posted about this waaaaaay back (seems an eternity now, on this thread) in commmet #23:
Why haven't there been hundreds of these fatwahs? Why only now? Why only one all these years later? When will they issue a bunch of fatwahs against killing Jews? The message here appears to be act like good dhimmis and roll over for now and until we can build up our ummah in Spain and take Andalusia back... just give us a chance to reach critical mass first. The Muslims there are still all excited over the reopening of a Mosque in the shadows of Alhambra, Granada (Andalusia/Spain) and hearing the dog-like howl of the Adhan there for the first time in 500 years.
It's interesting tho... as they opened it, there was a conference in Granada about "Islam in Europe" and the keynote speaker was Umar Ibrahim Vadillo, leader of Murabitun.
Mr Vadillo said America's economic interests had become the religion of the world and that people slavishly adjusted their lifestyles to suit the capitalist model.But he said capitalism cannot sustain itself and is bound to collapse.
Disapproval of terror
Mr Vadillo, a Spanish Muslim, called on all followers of Islam to stop using western currencies such as the dollar, the pound and the euro and instead to return to the use of the gold dinar.
He said the introduction of the gold dinar to the world's economies would be the single most unifying event for Muslims in the modern era.
Shortly afterwards, he said, the capitalist structure would quickly fall and it would make the Wall Street crash of 1929 seem minor by comparison. The conference also heard from Abu Bakr Rieger, a German Muslim.
He said Islam could only be practised in Europe in a traditional way, not in one adapted to European values and structures.
He also said private terrorism would find no approval among European Muslims.
As you can gather, they see the reintroduction of the Gold Dinar as just an intermediate step unify and strenghten the Ummah... the universal Gold Dinar is the currency of the pan-Islamic Kaliphate.
Note they also warn against innovations and adaptations to Islam. It's considered bidah.
I suppose I better save my breath. Islam Q+A makes it clear what they think of Jews and if lies and deceit is permissable.
Islamism?? Tell that to a "true believer" over at the Islamic forums. Where does their ideology come from and are they the bidahis or are those that water down islam and introduce innovations guilty of bidah?
What utter horse hockey!
How many more words do you need to coin to justify your cult of evil, muzzie?
Good questions, ALL!
We'll get the answers, I presume.....................waiting.....................waiting.........................................waiting.............I'm glad I wasn't holding my breath.
Please understand these are some of my thoughts I want to share for people to think about. I have struggled with hating our enemies since the first plane hit the first Twin Tower on that day none of us will ever forget.
Thank you for your heartfelt post TC. It is true we are so much a reflection of our life experiences. I never had anything close to what you experienced living in the Middle East, but as a police office for 8 years in a very rough city, I had my share of witnessing the very worst of humanity. The most vile, hateful, despicable people I ever knew until 9/11!
>>>In this case, I cannot truthfully say that I hate the sin, but love the sinner. They have become inseparable in my mind<<<
I’m glad this was brought up. IMHO, the hardest and most difficult of all of Jesus’ teachings is
"But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you."
As a Christian, I admit, I don’t like this commandment. I try to avoid it. I try not to read it, and I certainly don’t want to quote it. How do we love our enemies? How can we possibly love those that hate and want to destroy us?
After reading your post, TC, something jumped out at me. Jesus teaches, love for ALL, including our enemies. What does the Koran teach? To hate and destroy anyone who believes different from them.
That is a powerful comparison between Christianity and Islam. One teaches love the other hate. One offers no hope at all, the other offers salvation and eternal life. Is it easy to love our enemies? No. As Christians we have to view things as Jesus did.
”If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.” John 15:19
We have a Freedom in Christ that they can’t comprehend and they hate us for it.
If you look at what Islam has done to its people, you can start to understand why they have the hate and anger that they have. Their god is a god of hate and vengeance. They are slaves, forced to submit, unable to think for themselves. They have no love or joy or hope. How can they do anything but hate? It is all they know.
The question is, what do we do about it? We can hate them in return and kill each other until one side wins. But will it ever end? I don’t think so.
IMHO I think we need to expose Islam for what it is. It’s an Ideology of hate and total submission and domination. We must expose the darkness with the light. The Truth will always triumph over a lie.
Jesus and Mohammed.
Teach how they lived and what they taught and the Truth and Light will be revealed.
Jesus was brutally flogged before He was crucified. Here was the Son of God, he lived a perfect life, and yet He was tortured and killed. How did Jesus respond to those vile people who killed him?
Jesus said, Father forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing.” Luke 23:34
Does Islam need to be exposed and destroyed? Yes. Is it a threat to our very existence? Yes. Islam is an enemy of Christianity and of a free society. But we need to keep Jesus’ words in our attitude of seeing the “people” not “knowing” what they are doing.
Love is so much more powerful than hate. We need to teach them of Jesus and the power of the cross.
”But now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.” I Corinthians 13:13
Something to think and pray about.
Bar Beach, Lagos, Nigeria.
Shortly after the military coup which banished Yakabu Gowon to the UK.
Five rebels tied to stakes on Bar Beach.
The predominately Muslim crowd had been gathering all day in their best clothes to witness the execution. It was a scene like a holiday at Disneyland with everyone talking and laughing.
At noon the firing squad loaded, aimed and fired.
There was a hush for a minute or two as the rebels jerked and twitched and finally became still, hanging from the stakes.
Then the rumbling started. It was over much too quickly! They had gone to a lot of trouble to see blood and gore! They wanted MORE!
The firing squad obliged. They reloaded and shot them again, and again, and again, and again, each time to the roar of the crowd.
The sand around the stakes was red with blood, and the bodies were blown to bits, threatening to slide through the ropes onto the sand.
Still grumbling, but with a satiated blood lust, the crowd finally dispersed.
I was a very novice world traveler at that time, and this scene stayed fresh in my mind for many years.
That was a powerful post jan.
Thank you and God Bless you!
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