Posted on 03/10/2005 11:49:20 AM PST by MikeA
"The Commission has also drawn up a document designed to 'thank the Spanish people and the government for their attitude towards Muslims' since last March 11, in particular for not taking 'disproportionate' measures similar to those which the Sept 11 attacks sparked in the US."
Disproportionate measures? Give me a break. Muslims have never been subjected to profiling at airport security, though they should be. Instead, little old ladies from Iowa get searched. Nor have any measures been taken to curb some of the radical political activity that goes on at some mosques and other gatherings. What on earth are they talking about? No other nation in the history of the world after being attacked by a specific religious group would remain as tolerant, open and forebearing towards that group as the US has. Bush didn't round up Muslims and put them in interment camps like DEMOCRAT FDR did with Japanese people after Pearl Harbor. Spare me the whining.
Missed it. Thanks.
If ever there was a concrete example of the old adage, "the silence is deafening", the post 9/11 inaction of muslims in this country is it.
I never gave the muslim / islam religion much thought. Sure, I knew who they were, what they were about (I thought), but only in passing interest.
Today, I know much, much more about their religion cult. Obviously, for the wrong reason. And I'm sure I am not the only one.
I can't help but wonder what our society's perception would be today if there would have been a loud condemnation of the terrorist attacks of 9/11 from the muslim / islamic factions in this country.
I wonder if anyone regrets not doing so.
Oh, well. Sucks to be you, Mohammad.
LVM
You sure did.
You will be welcome back to reality whenever you're ready.
ETA does not have branch offices in Morrocco...
No other nation in the history of the world after being attacked by a specific religious group would remain as tolerant ...
Change the word 'tolerant' in the above to 'stupid', 'naive', and/or 'blind'
Hush, I've already been set straight.
susie
Being Muslim now is like being a civil rights activist in the 60s, you are watched.
Sadly you will probably get about 10 or so posts to you telling you that indeed, you did miss something. Don't worry about it.
BTW this has a lot more detail on the bombings in case you are interested:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1360269/posts
Nobody's "watched" for "being Muslim", that's bull.
If one associates with terrorists or terror-funders, then I hope he is "watched". I have my doubts however.
The FBI is all over the mosques. And you're automatically suspect at airports. Hell, I have an Orthodox Jew friend who looks Arabic, and he's always stopped.
The best policy is for the civilized world to issue a fatwa against Islam instead of wasting time listening or getting involved in their games.
When anyone can appoint himself Imam and thereby be empowered to issue Fatwas, what's there to discuss except the wrongness and pandora's box chaos engendered by such a belief system? Who needs a such a slippery religion that never has to say "I'm sorry" inasmuch as it's wonderfully designed to avoid all responsibility?
This Spanish Fatwa business is just talk for gullible Kaffir consumption. Rest assured that those who issued the Fatwa would have no trouble walking around the Kaba with the infatwated.
Spain's socialists might fall for the ear candy and the hollow gestures, but the fact remains that what really worried the so-called moderate Spanish Muslims was not the evil unto itself of terrorism, but the possible repercussions on their community--- hence the obliique anti-American reference.
It's not about good and evil per se, but about what can further or detract from the Islamic cause. That's all that concerns them. And that's immoral... a refined way of saying EVIL.
If and when a given mosque is a place of recruitment, incitement, and/or fund-raising, then this is as it should be. Such people, if and when watched, will not have been watched for "being Muslim" but for associating with terrorists or terror-funders, like I said.
That said, I doubt it occurs as much as you say, or even as much as it ought to. I wonder what actual evidence you have for your claims, if any.
And you're automatically suspect at airports. Hell, I have an Orthodox Jew friend who looks Arabic, and he's always stopped.
I think you're wrong and I reject this characterization. Your single point of dubiously-interpreted anecdotal evidence is underwhelming.
Airport security, in particular "stopping" people, is randomized by computer, utterly brainless. If you are flagged on one leg of your trip, you're flagged on the other. I've been stopped and flagged at airports, take off shoes & belt, unpack bags, the works. I do not look Arabic in the least. There, my anecdote cancels out yours. So what the hell is your point?
Remember, you wrote to me in response to my surprise that the fatwa, or someone, thinks that the US response to 9/11 was "disproportionate". But even if all of these claims you are making were true, which they are not, none of them would be "disproportionate". Are you seriously claiming otherwise?
Your Orthodox Jew friend was stopped and wanded at an airport and this to you is evidence of a "disproportionate response to 9/11"? Get real.
"Hello mulla, hello fatwa, we can jihad in Granada.."
Thank you.
:)
susie
Because he's always stopped.
We're still talking about the Jewish guy, right? How often does he fly, anyway? What's the sample size?
Please do let me know because this "disproportionate" response to 9/11 against Arab/Muslims (i.e. wanding your Jewish friend at the airport) sounds very scary indeed and I want to quantify just how terrified I should be!
Sorry, it's just that I'm finding myself utterly unable to take you even remotely seriously any longer.
And the Spanish will be saying, look how easy it all is, all you have to do is roll over, and the muslims will deal with the terrorists themselves; this proves the Coalition of the Willing was wrong to bring democracy to Afghanistan and Iraq...naughty America, Imperialists, Capitalists and their Running Dogs!
But there's something missing in the fatwa story, IMO. And that's the fight between the islamic sects. One cleric from a sect of islam issues a fatwa that doesn't carry any weight with the other, and with a little bit of luck, they will have a bun-fight amongst themselves. The Saudi wahabbi will not be pleased...he was their favourite son, wasn't he?
(Mind you, if he's known to be dead, then even a wahabbi fatwa is possible.)
As for those of us who are waiting for an apology from islam for the atrocity of 9/11, nothing will be forthcoming until such time as every imam in every mosque in America that toes the wahhabi line PERMITS an apology, and that would indicate they accept responsibility. No individual muslim would DARE to take that upon himself without a decree from a cleric...if it ever happens, islam is finished. Catch 22?
He travels internationally quite a bit. Funny thing is that he wears the yarmulke, but he's still stopped, and for far more than just a wanding. Of course I could be wrong about the reason. Maybe he's on one of those secret lists that you can't get your name off of.
One might think that this alone would convince you to reject your hypothesis that he is being stopped because he "looks Arab". Or have you combined this hypothesis with some assumption that all airport employees as a class are unfamiliar with the implications of someone wearing a yarmulke?
and for far more than just a wanding.
Duh, obviously I spoke loosely. But can I ask a serious question: even if your conspiracy theory were correct (he's "always stopped" at airports for extra security, because he "looks Arab"), which it's not, what's the big deal? I have to remind you again that ostensibly you are trying to buttress the notion that the US's response to 9/11 has been "disproportionate". Sorry but "a few extra minutes in line at the airport, and taking off your belt" ain't exactly Kristallnacht.
Also, you realize that up against your oh so tragic horror story of your (non-Muslim, I must remind you) friend who's Always Stopped, I could probably with very little effort stack dozens of white, non-Muslim Freepers who would tell you the exact same thing, don't you?
Of course I could be wrong about the reason.
A welcome admission. What is our conversation about, then, I wonder?
Maybe he's on one of those secret lists that you can't get your name off of.
Seriously, the airport employees are stopping him for one reason only: because the computer tells them to. And the computer doesn't know he "looks Arab"! You were just way off base with this whole thing, admit it :)
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