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There are valid criticisms of evolution
Wichita Eagle ^ | 3/9/2005 | David berlinski

Posted on 03/09/2005 1:46:32 PM PST by metacognative

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There are valid criticisms of evolution

BY DAVID BERLINSKI

"If scientists do not oppose anti-evolutionism," said Eugenie Scott, the executive director of the National Council on Science Education, "it will reach more people with the mistaken idea that evolution is scientifically weak."

Scott's understanding of "opposition" had nothing to do with reasoned discussion. It had nothing to do with reason at all. Discussing the issue was out of the question. Her advice to her colleagues was considerably more to the point: "Avoid debates."

Everyone else had better shut up.

In this country, at least, no one is ever going to shut up, the more so since the case against Darwin's theory retains an almost lunatic vitality. Consider:

• The suggestion that Darwin's theory of evolution is like theories in the serious sciences -- quantum electrodynamics, say -- is grotesque. Quantum electrodynamics is accurate to 13 unyielding decimal places. Darwin's theory makes no tight quantitative predictions at all.

• Field studies attempting to measure natural selection inevitably report weak-to-nonexistent selection effects.

• Darwin's theory is open at one end, because there is no plausible account for the origins of life.

• The astonishing and irreducible complexity of various cellular structures has not yet successfully been described, let alone explained.

• A great many species enter the fossil record trailing no obvious ancestors, and depart leaving no obvious descendants.

• Where attempts to replicate Darwinian evolution on the computer have been successful, they have not used classical Darwinian principles, and where they have used such principles, they have not been successful.

• Tens of thousands of fruit flies have come and gone in laboratory experiments, and every last one of them has remained a fruit fly to the end, all efforts to see the miracle of speciation unavailing.

• The remarkable similarity in the genome of a great many organisms suggests that there is at bottom only one living system; but how then to account for the astonishing differences between human beings and their near relatives -- differences that remain obvious to anyone who has visited a zoo?

If the differences between organisms are scientifically more interesting than their genomic similarities, of what use is Darwin's theory, since its otherwise mysterious operations take place by genetic variations?

These are hardly trivial questions. Each suggests a dozen others. These are hardly circumstances that do much to support the view that there are "no valid criticisms of Darwin's theory," as so many recent editorials have suggested.

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TOPICS: Philosophy
KEYWORDS: crevolist; darwinism; science
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To: RadioAstronomer
Not even a birth cert.

I always knew there was something strange about you. This is how the aliens work their way into our population, awaiting orders from their green masters. How many of you Martians live among us, undocumented as you are?

621 posted on 03/12/2005 5:29:26 PM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: RadioAstronomer; PatrickHenry
Not even a birth cert.

Just as I suspected; you don't exist!

622 posted on 03/12/2005 5:32:11 PM PST by longshadow
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To: longshadow
I think I finally realized what you are saying.

Going back to my own example, the plate would not be lifted from the ground by this particular ultra-feeble BB pressure. Rather, it would just "weigh" (press down on whatever is under it) microscopically less with the BB stream hitting it than without. In orbit, this means the equilibrium when it happens is slightly higher because of this pressure. But that's it. There is no constant new acceleration.

Am I getting close?

623 posted on 03/12/2005 6:51:58 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Martians, my patootie. They're from Zeta Reticuli.


624 posted on 03/12/2005 6:55:09 PM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer

Could be the Seventh Planet. Nothing good comes from there.


625 posted on 03/12/2005 6:59:51 PM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: RadioAstronomer
He ended up using his daughter's birthdate to create me a birth cert so I could be naturalized.

So when it's "your" birthday, does everyone sing, "Happy judge's daughter's birthday to you/Happy judge's daughter's birthday to you..."?

Just curious. How've you been, RA?

626 posted on 03/12/2005 7:06:34 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: VadeRetro
In orbit, this means the equilibrium when it happens is slightly higher because of this pressure. But that's it. There is no constant new acceleration.

Am I getting close?

Ding! Ding! Ding!

We have a winner!

As for the rest of our contestants, we hope you enjoyed being on the show, and as a consolation prize you'll be provided with the home version of our game, plus other parting gifts.....

627 posted on 03/12/2005 8:13:25 PM PST by longshadow
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To: betty boop
Thank you oh so very much for your wonderful, encouraging reply!

somethimes I get the distinct impression that rather than engage the issues brought to the table, some resort to challenging the qualifications and/or motives of the person making an argument they evidently choose to avoid.

Indeed. That is always troubling and points to a weakness in the correspondence using such methods.

The Chinese professor angst on the other thread is a case in point - rather than address the substance of the quote, the entire discussion was derailed to the refusal to attribute the quote and accusations of dishonesty, global condemnations of all associates, etc.

Here's the rub - even if the quote were a clever rephrasing of the sentiment - the substance of the quote remains, which is the entire point of the excerpt of Dr. Cheing's interview at post 145.

All questions are ignored, one never learns what a person's actual, active thinking about the issue under dispute is, what grounds his view of the matter is based on, why the avoided question was improper on evidentiary or logical grounds, and so forth. In short, one gets pure polemics and zero rational discussion.

Indeed. I agree that any side which is reduced to "circling the wagons" with ad hominen attacks and other redirects is in really big trouble. Advantage, betty boop and Alamo-Girl.

628 posted on 03/13/2005 1:25:17 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Right Wing Professor
Most qualified mathematicians and physicists don't apparently agree. In fact, many collaborate with biologists in helping to further the research you are casting aspersions on. How do we evaluate the strength of your claim versus their claims?

Appeal to authority?

629 posted on 03/14/2005 4:25:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: b_sharp
Unless you are able to produce the research yourself, your only outlet is to rely on those that can and have done the research.

This sure SOUNDS good, but it's the INTERPRETATION of the 'research' that is being debated in these threads.

630 posted on 03/14/2005 4:28:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: PatrickHenry

It's WORSE in INDIANA!


If the Enlightened get their way, we'll have daylight savings time again, and OUR poor astronomers will have less time to actually see stars!

How will science advance?


631 posted on 03/14/2005 4:31:24 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie
Appeal to authority?

Not really. We're talking about an appraisal of the status of a scientific field. Anyone can make such an appraisal, but you'd tend to trust someone who had worked in the field.

For instance, one of the reasons they use athletes in commercials for athletic apparel is that we presume athletes have some experience with athletic apparel. Consider the alternative:

Physical Chemistry Professor RWP says: "When I need that great takeoff boost and hang time near the bucket, I'm glad I chose Reeboks for my basketball footware needs. They're a slam dunk!

Cut away to the imposing figure of an over-40 college professor, under 6 feet and slightly overweight (and ahem, belonging to the racial group that notoriously can't jump anyway), who can slam dunk only with the assistance of a step-ladder.

632 posted on 03/14/2005 6:06:14 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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placemarker


633 posted on 03/14/2005 6:13:18 AM PST by js1138
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To: Right Wing Professor

White men can't JUMP!


634 posted on 03/14/2005 10:19:22 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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