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8-year-old arrested after alleged trantrum(sic)
Bakersfield Californian ^ | 3/4/05 | AP

Posted on 03/04/2005 8:50:54 AM PST by NormsRevenge

WILLIAMSBURG, Va. (AP) - Police arrested an 8-year-old boy who allegedly had a violent outburst in school, head-butting his teacher and kicking an assistant principal, when he was told he couldn't go outside to play with other students.

The 4-foot pupil was led away from Rawls Byrd Elementary School in handcuffs Tuesday and charged with disorderly conduct and assault and battery. "It's not something that happens every day," Maj. Stan Stout said of what could be the department's youngest arrest ever.

Stout said the chair-tossing, desk-turning outburst occurred after a teacher, and later the assistant principal, attempted to stop the boy from joining his classmates.

The child was later released to his parents.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Virginia; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: after; alleged; arrested; discipline; education; tantrum; trantrum
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To: jrd
As a sub, I routinely keep a student or students in at recess because of their behavior. My mantra is, "If you don't work during class time, you get to work during recess."
61 posted on 03/04/2005 9:42:23 AM PST by Ruth A.
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You know, I don't think the kid needed to be arrested, he needed what we all got growing up. Real Discipline.
62 posted on 03/04/2005 9:44:00 AM PST by imskylark
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To: whereasandsoforth

Remember what the 'Penguin' did to Jake and Elwood in "The Blues Brothers"?;)

(only worse;)))


63 posted on 03/04/2005 9:45:00 AM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Jeff Head
"He did it for effect...I don't remember him being truly angry."

My dad was a study in self restraint. When I was a kid I did things that would've pissed off the Pope; however, prior to the administration of punishment, dad was always certain that I clearly understood that the ass-whoopin' I was about to receive was not the consequence of his anger, but of my misbehavior. Precious little else in life has ever been as clear or obvious.

64 posted on 03/04/2005 9:45:03 AM PST by Joe 6-pack ("It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.")
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To: Billthedrill

"A very good friend - no wimp, an ex-Navy Chief - was doing substitute teacher duty when one of his little charges had a similar tantrum. The guidance then was to wrap them in your arms until they calmed so they wouldn't hurt themselves or anyone else thrashing."

Was that recently? I've heard from teachers that they can no longer touch a child in any way. Not even a simple one armed hug.


65 posted on 03/04/2005 9:46:29 AM PST by imskylark
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To: NormsRevenge
When my now 16 yr old daughter was 8 she had the same type of violent outbursts. The teacher would remove her from the classroom and she would spend the day in the principle's inner office. Not sure if I would have handled her being handcuffed and led out of school in an appropriate manner. Maybe if that would have happened she would have straightened up a lot sooner than later.... All I know is that she is a wonderful daughter who is loving and kind and is doing well in high school. Without having been traumatized as an 8 yr old by being led out of the school in handcuffs. Something like that could haunt a child throughout their entire school life especially if they live in the same school district their entire school years. (like my daughter has)
66 posted on 03/04/2005 9:46:41 AM PST by laceybrookesdad (A half truth is a whole lie!)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Amen my friend, amen. I had a similar experience.


67 posted on 03/04/2005 9:48:59 AM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: cspackler

They should. We know the parents will sue. They have been such charming examples for this child that you know they won't pass up the opportunity to make some quick cash.


68 posted on 03/04/2005 9:51:21 AM PST by Virginia Queen (Virginia Queen)
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To: NormsRevenge
Maybe his parents are Democrats and he is upset about moving to Canada and leaving his friends. Maybe he understands the Social Security problem and feels isolated and scared by his parents lack of concern about it, and knows he will have to work three jobs to support them as they live in his basement as he tries to support his three kids and his wife who has joined a feminist movement and tells him everyday what a horrible person he is for being a man. Poor guy, I would be upset too.
69 posted on 03/04/2005 9:53:15 AM PST by TheForceOfOne (Social Security – I thought pyramid schemes were illegal!)
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To: imskylark
No, it was in the late 80's. My friend still did substitute teaching afterward, heaven knows why. The school board was not particularly supportive. And yes, these days you can't even touch 'em, although after this incident Jim wouldn't have with a 10-foot pole anyway.

The little guy actually apologized, and by all reports was fairly well-behaved afterward. Go figure.

70 posted on 03/04/2005 9:56:07 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: cynicom

How do you all know that this kid isn't being beat silly at home? You just assume he isn't being disciplined, as if a disciplined child never does anything wrong.

I can tell you from my experience as a substitute teacher -- I was watching from my window at a child being beat all the way into school by his mom. Yeppers, right into my class! And right back out again as he tried to take his rage out in my class. Sometimes things are a sorry state of affairs for kids.

I do agree that the bottom line is the parents. But I also know that children are separate beings from their parents and sometimes act accordingly. They manage somehow to embarrass us, or completely forget how they were raised.


71 posted on 03/04/2005 9:59:09 AM PST by myrabach
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To: whereasandsoforth
Can any of you older freepers imagine what the reaction would have been if you had acted this way in school when you were eight?

Ralph U Swisher had special accoutrements in his office. The same ones our parents had when we got home. It wasn't worth the double trouble.

72 posted on 03/04/2005 10:02:50 AM PST by DJ MacWoW ("Are you cops? FBI" bad guy, "I'm currently unemployed" Tony Almeida of 24)
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To: Ruth A.

I wish the article would have stated the reason he was kept from going out...


73 posted on 03/04/2005 10:06:12 AM PST by jrd
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To: myrabach
Myra...

Perhaps you assume too much.

I attended school in the 30s and 40s. I assure not one child was ever taken away in hadcuffs. There was never a need for such. Ritalin is just a part of our modern day drug culture.

74 posted on 03/04/2005 10:08:50 AM PST by cynicom (<p)
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To: NormsRevenge

wow...it says something about a grown up that would have a child arrested.

I used to work at a day program for kids who had behavioral and emotional disorders. I had a kid who had been born addicted to cocaine (they are EXTREMELY STRONG, despite their tiny size) and he was throwing a fit one day on the van and I had to restrain him while sitting (very hard) for about 30 minutes. I went home with EVERY muscle in my back and arms pulled and sore because he was so strong. But you know what I didn't do...I didn't have him arrested. And his tantrum before getting on the van included throwing folding chairs and flipping tables around. I had to move my other kids outside of the room and try to calm him down. He was 11 years old and the last thing he needed was to be put in yet another living situation where nobody loved or cared about him. For the MOST part, these children need discipline and love, not jail time.

There was only one kid arrested while I worked there, and he was a 16 year old (16! not 6!!!) who was stabbing people with a pencil. It took 2 adults to restrain him until the LEOs arrived. I very much doubt this 8 year old posed THAT much of a threat.


75 posted on 03/04/2005 10:11:06 AM PST by melbell (A Freudian slip is when you mean one thing, and say your mother)
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To: NormsRevenge
The child was later released to his parents.

He'll be back in class within 3 days. Every student involved will see that the consequences are virtually nil.

76 posted on 03/04/2005 10:11:42 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: jrd

Well, it would be nice to know that but is it relevant? So he was mad, so what?

Understanding a kid's feelings has nothing to do with expecting him to behave in a reasonable way. This was not reasonable for any kid in a school. No matter what he feels. I think I was taught that early, your feelings are totally irrelevant to how you act.


77 posted on 03/04/2005 10:12:48 AM PST by cajungirl (freeps are my peeps.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Giving an 8 year old a POLICE RECORD?

This should be handled at home.

78 posted on 03/04/2005 10:13:07 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("There out ta get me! They won't catch me! I'm #@^#@# innocent! They won't break me" - Guns N Roses)
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To: melbell

Hmmm,,what about the rest of the classroom enduring this. this does not belong in any educational classroom. You may be very kind and very proud of your actions, and that may have been the norm,,,but what about the other kids? What about them?


79 posted on 03/04/2005 10:14:04 AM PST by cajungirl (freeps are my peeps.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Hey, isn't all the feel-good Dr. Spock crap working wonders? They should have been more concerned with his self esteem. Putting him in handcuffs might lead him to believe he's done something wrong!
80 posted on 03/04/2005 10:14:26 AM PST by TChris (Most people's capability for inference is severely overestimated)
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